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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / 4x4 Cars / December 2004

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How do winter tires perform in mud?

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bdubya - 05 Dec 2004 06:09 GMT
I'm about to order winter tires for a Ranger 4x4 (probably Michelin
Latitudes); I'm wondering how they perform in mud.  Or should I be
looking at an off-road tire in a narrow width instead?
Bret Chase - 05 Dec 2004 15:26 GMT
>:|I'm about to order winter tires for a Ranger 4x4 (probably Michelin
>:|Latitudes); I'm wondering how they perform in mud.  Or should I be
>:|looking at an off-road tire in a narrow width instead?

Deep snow and mud have very similar tire needs, (i.e. large voids and
big lugs), plowed snow and ice require as many gripping edges as
possible and large voids aren't nearly as important.  I think BFG
All-Terrain K/O's (which I run on my truck) have the best balance
between cutting edges and voids.  while they're not as good as a mud
terrain T/A in the mud, they're waay better for winter driving
conditions.

hth,
Bret
Stephen - 06 Dec 2004 20:28 GMT
>>:|I'm about to order winter tires for a Ranger 4x4 (probably Michelin
>>:|Latitudes); I'm wondering how they perform in mud.  Or should I be
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> terrain T/A in the mud, they're waay better for winter driving
> conditions.

I run the same tires.  I got caught in a snowstorm a week after I put
the AT K/O's on and they were awesome.  I had to drive 250 kms through
the snow in the Northern Rockies on the ALaska Highway towing a small
trailer with about 600 lbs of hear in the back of the truck.  Much of it
was in four wheel drive since we were constantly going up and down
hills.  I thought the tires performed admirably.

We also encountered a some very muddy sections and drove into some camp
spots that were pretty soft and deep.  Traction in the mud was very good
,especially in four wheel drive.  I can't say how well the tires will
wear or how they will perform when they do wear down a bit but right now
they are tremendous.

Stephen
DJ - 06 Dec 2004 20:46 GMT
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>I run the same tires.  I got caught in a snowstorm a week after I put
>the AT K/O's on and they were awesome.  I had to drive 250 kms through
>the snow in the Northern Rockies on the ALaska Highway towing a small
>trailer with about 600 lbs of hear in the back of the truck.  
<snip>

Was this a "hear" hunting trip? <G>

>Stephen

DJ
Stephen - 07 Dec 2004 20:19 GMT
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>
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> Was this a "hear" hunting trip? <G>

Whoops, nope.  I meant 600 lbs of Gear, not Bear or even Hear.  That was
an epic all night drive in an effort to out run the worst of a huge
snowstorm that hit Northern BC in September.  I thank those tires for
getting us out of there safely mere hours before the area became
impassable.

We stopped a few times for people who had gone off the road but everyone
was okay.  Both times I looked at Fiona and said,"So, how glad am I that
I got the new tires now?".

Stephen
Empty - 08 Dec 2004 08:38 GMT
> Was this a "hear" hunting trip? <G>

It might have been recovery "hear".

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Mike Romain - 06 Dec 2004 20:50 GMT
> >>:|I'm about to order winter tires for a Ranger 4x4 (probably Michelin
> >>:|Latitudes); I'm wondering how they perform in mud.  Or should I be
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>
> Stephen

We also are running them on one Jeep with BFG muds on the other and both
Jeeps run the same trails.

Muds are better in mud and deeper snow, but 'better' is a relative term
when comparing those two tires, they both go anywhere, each shine a bit
in their own specialty.

I do not think the winter 'performance' tires would work well at all in
mud.  They have many small cuts and look like they would pack to slicks
fast.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
bdubya - 06 Dec 2004 22:10 GMT
>> >>:|I'm about to order winter tires for a Ranger 4x4 (probably Michelin
>> >>:|Latitudes); I'm wondering how they perform in mud.  Or should I be
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>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Thanks for the tips, all.  I've just checked the user reviews at
TireRack.com, and it sounds like the T/A KO is exactly what I was
hoping to find.

( Heck, it may be more tire than I thought was POSSIBLE  - I found one
review from an '87 Ranger driver who says he "went up a hill that was
probly 80 degrees without a problem". <chuckle> I have GOT to get me a
set of those....)

bw
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego - 06 Dec 2004 21:22 GMT
>I'm about to order winter tires for a Ranger 4x4 (probably Michelin
>Latitudes); I'm wondering how they perform in mud.  Or should I be
>looking at an off-road tire in a narrow width instead?

While I've not (yet) had the opportunity to drive in the snow, I can
tell you XTerrains work really good in the mud.  They don't pack up
and have plenty of bite..
 
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