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Car Forum / Acura Cars / August 2004Question abour Honda/Acura warranty, rustproofing and various rustproofing products
Hi there all I live in the rust belt of Ontario where snow and calcium is everpresent between the months of December and March! I have a brand new 2004 RSX. My dealer just told me that applying rust proofing treatment that uses "heavy oils" , especially Krown and Rust Check, will cancel the Acura rust warranty (his quotes). As anyone been told this? I have his email mentioning this... When pressed, he specifically mentioned to avoid Krown and Rust Check, as these products will "warp gaskets and seals". I did not find any reference to this on Krown or Rust-Check's site. The only rustproofing product he suggested was Ziebart. This is a one-time application and provides a 10 year perforation warranty. I have no doubt about him truly believing that my warranty would be void should I use either this product. (He could be incorrect yet believe what he says). Is he correct? As anyone here who has an Acura were told about this? What surprises me is that I have been told only at my first oil change and not before. Also, I did not find any reference to this inthe owner's manual. I did a search on rust proofing and no where did I find any reference to Acura not honouring their warranty: I did read about people stating this, but no solid evidence. I know they drill holes, or the goo can block evacuation holes, but beside this, no solid evidence. I also would like to check this with Honda or Acura, but cannot find their email in Canada. Anyone has it? I do have a few more questions.. Assuming rust proofing is ok, what is the difference between "undercoating" and "rust proofing"? Do undercoating with oil do a good job (Oil Guard)? Do they do the wheel wells as well when they do only undercoating? Also, what product do they use? What do you guys suggest for rust proofing? I plan to keep the car extra clean and for a long time; so do I need the full rust proofing or just the undercoating? My other 91 Integra only started to develop rust after 8 or 9 year, but I was not keeping it as clean as I plan to with this one... Thanks in advance. >what >is the difference between "undercoating" and "rust proofing"? Undercoat attempts to prevent brine that is being splashed up by the wheels from getting at the underside of the car. Some undercoats are a tar-like thick layer which stays somewhat flexible at summer temperatures but is quite brittle when cold Other undrcoats use a very thick grease-like oil >Do undercoating with oil do a good job (Oil Guard)? Products like Oil Guard take a different approach. They use a really thin oil, it's rather like hydraulic fluid. They drill holes in your doorsills a squirt it in from above. Their target is an area the undercoat can't protect, the spot-welded seams where the unit body is held together. Those areas are very vulnerable to rust because the layers of metal are so close together there is capillary action to draw brine up into them, and the spot welding makes the metal susceptible to rusting. The skinny oils are meant to protect those seams, but to be really effective they need to be reapplied annually. >Do they do the >wheel wells as well when they do only undercoating? Also, what >product do they use? Who's they? >What do you guys suggest for rust proofing? I plan to keep the >car extra clean and for a long time; so do I need the full rust >proofing or just the undercoating? I would say both. >My other 91 Integra only >started to develop rust after 8 or 9 year, but I was not keeping >it as clean as I plan to with this one... Then plan on pulling up the carpets every spring and getting the salt that has fallen off your winter boots out of them. That's a main cause of rusted out floorboards. Also be aware that a lot of rusing can be going on underneath plastic trim panels. Get a magnet and check to see how much of what looks like metal isn't! In winter avoid parking in heated underground garages. Rust doesn't happen when the car is cold, it happens when temperatures are near freezing and brine slush is liquid and mobile. If you really seriously want to stop rust cold, use this stuff www.por15.com It's expensive, it's a pain in the a.s to apply and you'll have to put it on yourself before undercoat is applied, but man does it work! > Then plan on pulling up the carpets every spring and getting the salt > that has fallen off your winter boots out of them. That's a main cause > of rusted out floorboards. Why not just a big heavy Weathertech-like mat to prevent the problem in the first place? >> Then plan on pulling up the carpets every spring and getting the salt >> that has fallen off your winter boots out of them. That's a main cause >> of rusted out floorboards. > >Why not just a big heavy Weathertech-like mat to prevent the problem in >the first place? They're a big help, but they're not perfect. Some slush always seems to get around the edges, and the car's carpets act like a poultice, holding the brine against the floorboards long after winter is over. Something I found curious when brazing a couple of square feet of new sheet metal into the floorboards of an 87 CRX was that the rust actually seemed to be worse under the sealant that the factory applies to the cracks where the floor metal folds down and becomes part of the doorsills. Neither that sealant or ordinary paint is actually waterproof. It's just a leetle bit pourous, and that's all brine needs to get through to the metal. >>what >>is the difference between "undercoating" and "rust proofing"? [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > it on yourself before undercoat is applied, but man does it > work! Thanks John for the time you took to answer my questions. Much appreciated. I only now need to know if the voiding of the warranty that the service manager told me is true or not. Tomorrow I am getting at the bottom of this and calling acura directly. Frank >Thanks John for the time you took to answer my questions. Much >appreciated. I only now need to know if the voiding of the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Frank Please let us know what Acura has to say. I want to get my car done too. BTW, I have a friend with an 10-year old Audi that has been to Krown every year. The car still looks new. Also, the manufacturer's warranties are always against "perforation", which is very unlikely to happen within the warranty timeframes, except if there is a major defect in the car. I guess that's the whole point of the warranty, to protect from defects. -- Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. > On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:28:20 GMT, "Frank" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.com> > waived [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > the whole > point of the warranty, to protect from defects. Ok, I called Acura Canada on this and they told me that NO rust protection system will void the warranty from Acura. However, if they drill holes and or break something during the process, it is their problem and the warranty will not apply. I have also learned a few things about the various products for rustproofing. There seems to be 2 types: Waxed-Based and Oil-Based. The Oil-Based are also divided into two types: the petrolium-based product and the mineral oil based product. All in all, it seems that the mineral based products are better on as 1) it does not warp or affect rubber and bushing and 2) wax can, under certain situation, trap moisture and make matter worst. Anyway, the dealership either lied to me or just did not know. I am now checking around for the various oil-based option. It seems that, of all places, WalMart has the cheapest offering in this regards.. However, man, I am not sure if I want a WalMart teenager drill holes in my car! Cheers all "My other 91 Integra only started to develop rust after 8 or 9 year, but I was not keeping it as clean as I plan to with this one..." It's been 13 years more and improvements in body construction might mean at least 10-15 years before you see rust. I'd avoid any rustproofing products. Dave M. > > On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:28:20 GMT, "Frank" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.com> > > waived [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Cheers all >>what >>is the difference between "undercoating" and "rust proofing"? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >tar-like thick layer which stays somewhat flexible at summer >temperatures but is quite brittle when cold I've heard that undercoat is crap and useless, and can trap brine between it and the metal. It does help to deaden sound, though. |
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