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Car Forum / Acura Cars / October 2004

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(silly) plastic headlight improver

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djtcz@comcast.net - 24 Oct 2004 16:12 GMT
My daughter's 100 kmile 96 Integra's headlights have been very
un-impressive in the year we've had it.  Her boy friend put in some
"brighter" lights that sadly did not help much.

I was noticing all 4 plastic lenses are dull.  I used some plastic
cleaner I have for an old motorcycle windshield.  When I first started
rubbing the cleaner on the lenses there was a lot of drag. After a few
orbits it "felt" a lot smoother.  They look clearer and the silver
reflector is visible and brighter.

Even better, the delivered output is up about 200%, and the focus is
much better, an less diffuse.

Hopefully it lasts a while.

Here's my vote against cars with plastic lenses, and especially with
model specific headlights.  It sure is nice to be able to replace the
lens AND bulb for $20 at KMart.
Lee Florack - 24 Oct 2004 18:05 GMT
>My daughter's 100 kmile 96 Integra's headlights have been very
>un-impressive in the year we've had it.  Her boy friend put in some
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>model specific headlights.  It sure is nice to be able to replace the
>lens AND bulb for $20 at KMart.

I disagree.  The fixed-design type headlights limit creativity
with automotive design and -- in my experience -- they don't last
anywhere as long before burnout than the newer headlights. In
addition to lasting longer, the newer lights are much brighter.
Besides, you've already found the solution to plastic lenses. Use
a plastic polish that eliminates accumulated yellowing and
scratches.
djtcz@comcast.net - 30 Oct 2004 17:26 GMT
>>Here's my vote against cars with plastic lenses, and especially with
>>model specific headlights.  It sure is nice to be able to replace the
>>lens AND bulb for $20 at KMart.
>
>I disagree.  The fixed-design type headlights limit creativity
>with automotive design

Hi Lee,

Styling, maybe.  I am not saying syling is not important.  But Other
areas of design, the ones that influence what the car does, and how it
feels while doing it, and how long it does it, I don't see a
connection.  Unless the healthy cash flow generated selling unique
lights along with the body parts to the collision repair industry are
considered as supporting the design/engineering departments.  Those
parts are the only ones that can be sell briskly without damaging a
company's reputation for reliability.  Makes sense to arrange them to
be the higher profit ones.

It's a pity these cars designers were hobbled by round headlights.
http://www.nfscars.net/nfs5shots/930_evo_pack.jpg
http://imagesporsche1.free.fr/images/allemagne/porsche/1978_928_s_1.jpg
http://www.sccapro.com/news/press/02-miata-dobson-360.jpg
http://www.countach.cc/2003/2002home1.jpg

>and -- in my experience -- they don't last
>anywhere as long before burnout than the newer headlights. In
>addition to lasting longer, the newer lights are much brighter.

Vintage sealed beams, maybe, although their life span was several
years, as I recall.
The quality of the light pattern on these $50/pop high performance
units with their fancy glass lenses has to be experinced to
appreciated.  Aftermarket replacements (with unknown optical
characteristics) for the INTEGRA look to be #220 and up (per side?)
without bulbs.  I suspect new OEM ones cost much more.  I think I'd
get more day-to-day enjoy putting that money toward  fancy tires
instead of restoring the night diving capabilites of the car.

http://www.autobarn.net/helhigperhal1.html
http://www.mindspring.com/~toy4two/mycar/myhellas.html
http://www.cibielights.com/headlamps/headlamps.htm

>Besides, you've already found the solution to plastic lenses. Use
>a plastic polish that eliminates accumulated yellowing and
>scratches.

I'd say reduces, not eliminates.  Glass does not yellow, and is many
times more chip resistant, comparing the windshield to the lights.
Echo - 24 Oct 2004 20:29 GMT
What was the brand of the plastic cleaner you used. I've used Brasso with
very good results.

> My daughter's 100 kmile 96 Integra's headlights have been very
> un-impressive in the year we've had it.  Her boy friend put in some
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> model specific headlights.  It sure is nice to be able to replace the
> lens AND bulb for $20 at KMart.
Bruno - 25 Oct 2004 16:18 GMT
>What was the brand of the plastic cleaner you used. I've used Brasso with
>very good results.

I like Plexus, myself.

--
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
Jim Yanik - 25 Oct 2004 01:41 GMT
> My daughter's 100 kmile 96 Integra's headlights have been very
> un-impressive in the year we've had it.  Her boy friend put in some
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> model specific headlights.  It sure is nice to be able to replace the
> lens AND bulb for $20 at KMart.

I've found that the polishing does not last very long,perhaps a couple of
months.

I used a cordless drill and a polishing pad,it goes a lot easier.

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Lee Florack - 25 Oct 2004 02:32 GMT
>> My daughter's 100 kmile 96 Integra's headlights have been very
>> un-impressive in the year we've had it.  Her boy friend put in some
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
>I used a cordless drill and a polishing pad,it goes a lot easier.

I've had good luck with Meguiar's PlastX Clear Plastic Cleaner &
Polish.  Seems to last a while.  On really bad lenses, I've used
an orbital polisher with it.  Seems to last quite a while if I
follow it up with some kind of sealant.
Jim Yanik - 25 Oct 2004 14:36 GMT
>>I've found that the polishing does not last very long,perhaps a couple
>>of months.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> an orbital polisher with it.  Seems to last quite a while if I
> follow it up with some kind of sealant.

I'd like to know about this sealant.

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Lee Florack - 26 Oct 2004 02:46 GMT
>>>I've found that the polishing does not last very long,perhaps a couple
>>>of months.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>I'd like to know about this sealant.

I'm not speaking of plastic-specific sealants.  After using the
Meguiar's PlastX Clear Plastic Cleaner & Polish mentioned above,
I've used Meguiar's Plastic Detailer and then Zaino, Klasse
Sealant Glaze or Meguiar's NXT sealants (not wax) to help protect
the lenses and reduce future scratches and oxidation.
Jim Yanik - 26 Oct 2004 14:57 GMT
>>>>I've found that the polishing does not last very long,perhaps a couple
>>>>of months.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Sealant Glaze or Meguiar's NXT sealants (not wax) to help protect
> the lenses and reduce future scratches and oxidation.

Thanks for the info.

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Alex Rodriguez - 25 Oct 2004 05:39 GMT
>My daughter's 100 kmile 96 Integra's headlights have been very
>un-impressive in the year we've had it.  Her boy friend put in some
>"brighter" lights that sadly did not help much.

If the bulbs were tinted blue, they are actually worse.  A lot of bulbs
are sold on hype alone.  The really bad part is that they usually cost
more too.  

>I was noticing all 4 plastic lenses are dull.  I used some plastic
>cleaner I have for an old motorcycle windshield.  When I first started
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>model specific headlights.  It sure is nice to be able to replace the
>lens AND bulb for $20 at KMart.

Glass lens would cost alot more, not that the plastic lens are cheap.
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Alex
Jim Yanik - 25 Oct 2004 14:40 GMT
>>My daughter's 100 kmile 96 Integra's headlights have been very
>>un-impressive in the year we've had it.  Her boy friend put in some
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> ------------
> Alex

Just bond a glass lens to the plastic body.

I see a LOT of cars with BADLY degraded headlight lenses,especially Dodge
Neons.It certainly is not safe.The added expense would be worth it,IMO.

Maybe they could use vapor deposition to put a layer or two of diamond over
the plastic lens!  (wishful thinking)
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