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Car Forum / Acura Cars / February 2005Oil Recommendation for 2002 Acura TL
My dealership has moved to another city so I decided to start changing oil myself. The only available oil choices I have are: Quaker State (Hard Driving) 5 W 20 Pennzoil 5 W 20 Mobil 1 Synthetic 5 W 30 (the Mobil site recommends 0 W 30 for the 2002 Acura TL) I have owned my Acura for almost 3-1/2 years and have only 14,600 miles. Most of those miles are for long touring trips so the car doesn't get driven every day. I have read many threads on this topic and I was thinking of switching to Mobil 1 synthetic 5 W 30 (which I can buy within 25 miles from where I live) but I can't get the 0 W 20 grade which Mobil recommends. Any recommendation/ advice will be appreciated. TIA, Don F > My dealership has moved to another city so I decided to start changing > oil myself. The only available oil choices I have are: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > TIA, > Don F Any of the oils you have mentioned will be fine, in fact a no name oil with an API SL grade rating in 5-20 will be fine. Mobil one is the best, however anything with API sl rating will be fine, just change the oil at frequent intervals. If you live in colder area, such as Wisconsin, Minnesota, 5-30 is fine. For not so cold area, 10-30 will be fine. Quaker State, Pennzoil, Mobil 1 Synthetic..... all will be fine Every 3000 miles, 6000 miles, or even 10,000 miles change oil, all will be fine I own a 1999 TL, I use 5-30 or 10-30 whatever I have in my garage. I change oil every 6 months, ~7000 miles interval. My car runs fine. It is just a car, not Airbus, not Boeing 777, not F15, not F22 "Don Farias" <nobody@home.com> ???g???l???s?D :Nzxyd.12902$Qk5.6663@lakeread04... > My dealership has moved to another city so I decided to start changing [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > TIA, > Don F Acura gets its good emissions and gas mileage ratings using 5W-20 oil. The feds, a few years ago, required car manufacturers to use the same oil they recommend in their testing suites. Thus the above recommendation. It is thinner and gives better horsepower and mileage ratings. However, tribologists (lubrication engineers) recommend a good syn blend or all synthetic 10W-30 for our 3.2 V6s from the perspective of protection and longevity. Most dino juice oils are nearly as good as synthetic these days. One of the best is Motorcraft made by Conoco for Ford. Mobil 1, Amsoil, LE, are all specialty premium lubricants that are very good. I use Mobil 1 10W-30 and I am in South Florida. With syn oils, you could actually just change the filter every 5,000 miles or so and top off with a fresh quart (lost from the filter change). The new oil top off replaces the additives that are lost over time. But my view is that oil is cheap compared with an engine repair. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I change oil every 4-5,000 miles and use synthetics. I have used them in my high performance motorcycles for 25 years and had excellent results. Never an engine failure. There is an extensive technical treatise on lubrication and different oils here: http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105573 It is exhaustive but required reading for gear heads. > Acura gets its good emissions and gas mileage ratings using 5W-20 oil. > The feds, a few years ago, required car manufacturers to use the same [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Mobil 1, Amsoil, Daniel Stern, the presiding guru in rec.autos.tech, sneers openly and aggressively as Amsoil. He contiunally refers to it as Scamsoil, and says that it's basically the biggest ripoff the world has ever seen. You're saying Amsoil is "very good". Why would DS have such a hate-on for it?  SignatureTeGGeR? The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Daniel Stern, the presiding guru in rec.autos.tech, sneers openly and > aggressively as Amsoil. He contiunally refers to it as Scamsoil, and says > that it's basically the biggest ripoff the world has ever seen. > > You're saying Amsoil is "very good". Why would DS have such a hate-on for > it? I asked him on line recently (a couple months ago) if he had any complaints with it other than the marketing. After some exchanges he identified the marketing as the source of his heartburn. I don't recall which forum the thread ran on - if not this one, it must have been alt.autos.honda or alt.autos.volvo. Mike I don't like the way Amsoil is marketed and I despise its high price. That aside, it always comes out on top of comparative testing and analysis. It's better than most people need. I've never spent my hard-earned money on it but that doesn't mean it's not an excellent lubricating oil. You'll have to ask Stern for his reasoning. It probably has to do with the same reasons I don't like it: marketing. >> Acura gets its good emissions and gas mileage ratings using 5W-20 oil. >> The feds, a few years ago, required car manufacturers to use the same [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > You're saying Amsoil is "very good". Why would DS have such a hate-on for > it? > I don't like the way Amsoil is marketed and I despise its high price. > That aside, it always comes out on top of comparative testing and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You'll have to ask Stern for his reasoning. It probably has to do > with the same reasons I don't like it: marketing. From re-reading his posts, you're right. SignatureTeGGeR? The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Acura gets its good emissions and gas mileage ratings using 5W-20 oil. > The feds, a few years ago, required car manufacturers to use the same [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > synthetic these days. One of the best is Motorcraft made by Conoco for > Ford. Do you know of any properly-conducted tests of various oil filters? SignatureTeGGeR? The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Only the SAE Test J1858 which tests the ability to filter particles >20 microns which is given in terms of % on the filter packaging. I use one that is rated at 99% multy-pass efficiency. As far as comparative testing... I haven't seen one. But they are probably out there. >> Acura gets its good emissions and gas mileage ratings using 5W-20 oil. >> The feds, a few years ago, required car manufacturers to use the same [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Do you know of any properly-conducted tests of various oil filters? > Only the SAE Test J1858 which tests the ability to filter particles > >20 microns which is given in terms of % on the filter packaging. I > use one that is rated at 99% multy-pass efficiency. What filter is that? And does that filtering efficiency force the bypass valve to open more often under normal or high-rev operation? > As far as comparative testing... I haven't seen one. But they are > probably out there. It appears that data on such things is completely unavailable to the public. I can't even get an answer out of Honda or the delaer on the flow rate of the OEM Honda filter for my car. I know the oil pump will displace 14.78 gpm at 6,000 rpm, but have no idea what kind of flow the filter has. SignatureTeGGeR? The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
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