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Car Forum / Acura Cars / January 2006Plugging a tire
I have a screw in my tire. I have been told that the tire cannot be repaired because the hole is so close to the sidewall. It's about 3/4 of an inch from the side, right after the first row of thread. I would appreciate your opinion / advice. Cheers!  Signature"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer." - Douglas Adams >I have a screw in my tire. I have been told that the tire cannot be >repaired because the hole is so close to the sidewall. It's about 3/4 >of an inch from the side, right after the first row of thread. I would >appreciate your opinion / advice. Why would you take a chance? Can you not afford a new tire? SignatureDan. >>I have a screw in my tire. I have been told that the tire cannot be >>repaired because the hole is so close to the sidewall. It's about 3/4 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Can you not afford a new tire? I paid $175 for this tire, and I barely have 5000km on it. It would be a shame to throw it out. Signature"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer." - Douglas Adams >>>I have a screw in my tire. I have been told that the tire cannot be >>>repaired because the hole is so close to the sidewall. It's about 3/4 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I paid $175 for this tire, and I barely have 5000km on it. It would be >a shame to throw it out. Go ahead then. Get it plugged. Drive fast and hard on it. It beats the crap out of me why anyone would ask a question like this. Don't you *want* to be confident that your tires are going to maintain their integrity while you're speeding along and maybe hitting the inevitable little pothole or two? Sheesh. Get over it. Buy a new tire. SignatureDan. >>>>I have a screw in my tire. I have been told that the tire cannot be >>>>repaired because the hole is so close to the sidewall. It's about 3/4 [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Sheesh. Get over it. Buy a new tire. LOL! What a jerk! Signature"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer." - Douglas Adams I think he's trying to tell you that your life and that of your family should be worth more than $175. You CAN'T trust the plugged tire!! >>>>>I have a screw in my tire. I have been told that the tire cannot be >>>>>repaired because the hole is so close to the sidewall. It's about 3/4 [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > LOL! What a jerk! >>>>>I have a screw in my tire. I have been told that the tire cannot be >>>>>repaired because the hole is so close to the sidewall. It's about 3/4 [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > LOL! What a jerk! It seems to me that if the puncture is within the TREAD(3/4" in from edge of tread seems OK to me) that the tire is patchable. Find another shop. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > It seems to me that if the puncture is within the TREAD(3/4" in from edge > of tread seems OK to me) that the tire is patchable. > > Find another shop. I'm no expert on this, but I also suspect that 3/4 inch into the tread is patchable. A second opinion makes sense. If they agree, then it's time to bite the bullet. Mike >> It seems to me that if the puncture is within the TREAD(3/4" in from edge >> of tread seems OK to me) that the tire is patchable. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Mike Thanks for the advice. My regular shop should be opened today. I will go see them. Signature"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer." - Douglas Adams >>>>>I have a screw in my tire. I have been told that the tire cannot be >>>>>repaired because the hole is so close to the sidewall. It's about 3/4 >>>>>of an inch from the side, right after the first row of thread. I would >>>>>appreciate your opinion / advice. >>>>Why would you take a chance? >>>>Can you not afford a new tire? >>>I paid $175 for this tire, and I barely have 5000km on it. It would be >>>a shame to throw it out. >>Sheesh. Get over it. Buy a new tire. >LOL! What a jerk! I'm inclined to agree. Chrissakes fella, buy a new tire and get on with your life. This is exactly what the "Road Hazard Warranty" is all about. Had you purchased the road hazard warranty when you originally bought the tires, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Inarguably the road hazard warranty is a crap-shoot, but it's a hellouva lot cheaper than having to pony-up the gelt for a new tire. You win some, you lose some, and metaphorically speaking some get rained out. It's called stepping over dollars to pick up dimes. Go buy a tire and kwitcherbellyachin. Think about it. This pissing and moaning you're doing about a lousy $175 is similar to the same argument the idiot makes when he parks his brand new $30~40k ride outside because the garage is used to store excess furniture, clothes and other crap that taken together wouldn't amount to $1000 value. On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:00:59 GMT, New_TL_Owner said: >Think about it. This pissing and moaning you're doing about a lousy $175 Think about it. Not everybody is driving brand new $40,000 Acuras. Some of us bought used, 'cause we ain't that rich! Signature"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer." - Douglas Adams On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:00:59 GMT, New_TL_Owner said: >I'm inclined to agree. Chrissakes fella, buy a new tire and get on with >your life. Goodyear fixed my tire for $10. Signature"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer." - Douglas Adams >On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:00:59 GMT, New_TL_Owner said: >>I'm inclined to agree. Chrissakes fella, buy a new tire and get on with >>your life. >Goodyear fixed my tire for $10. And 'Discount Tire' fixed one on my car and one on my wife's Lexus both for nothing. I also get free rotations every 5k miles and free rebalance at each rotation. They even offered to pick up & deliver the wife's car. Of course the fact that I've done all my tire business with them for the past 18 years may have something to do with that. >>On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:00:59 GMT, New_TL_Owner said: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Of course the fact that I've done all my tire business with them for the >past 18 years may have something to do with that. And I assume you have had no problems with the plugged tires? Signature"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer." - Douglas Adams >>And 'Discount Tire' fixed one on my car and one on my wife's Lexus both >>for nothing. I also get free rotations every 5k miles and free rebalance >>at each rotation. They even offered to pick up & deliver the wife's car. >>Of course the fact that I've done all my tire business with them for the >>past 18 years may have something to do with that. >And I assume you have had no problems with the plugged tires? In both cases it was a roofing nail picked up in the main body of the tread. Nothing in or near the sidewall. Discount Tire also doesn't use the conventional "plug" method. Rather their procedure is a complete dismount/breakdown and proper internal patch followed by remounting and rebalancing. I did destroy a sidewall about 25 years ago on a Corvette. It was an OEM tire and so not covered by any warranty. Therafter I've always opted for the Road Hazard protection when buying new tires. A crap-shoot, sure and you're unlikely to ever need it, like an extended warranty except comparatively much cheaper and a small price to pay for the extra protection and peace of mind. Don't misunderstand. I do not believe in extended warranties on my cars. Without exception they're all a bad investment, very expensive, most have a per-incident deductible, most are rife with weasel clauses and your chances of just breaking even with the policy's high up-front cost is historically slim. There is also a huge profit margin in them for the selling dealer, typically 50%. >>>On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:00:59 GMT, New_TL_Owner said: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > And I assume you have had no problems with the plugged tires? Before we became loyal Discount Tire customers we went to Cobre Tire in Phoenix. They patched and repatched a tire we had maybe four times before they got the patch to stay on. Hmm. Discount Tire never had that problem with any of the punctures we took there. In the last year or so the local Discount Tire has plugged the holes, and I can do that. I've plugged maybe a half dozen holes over the years, mostly in the boondocks or early in the morning when I wanted to get to work, and never had a problem. Mike On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:00:59 GMT, New_TL_Owner said: >This is exactly what the "Road Hazard Warranty" is all about. Tire manufactures stopped offering the warranty in January 2005. So unless the dealer is offering it, you SOOL. Signature"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer." - Douglas Adams >On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:00:59 GMT, New_TL_Owner said: >>This is exactly what the "Road Hazard Warranty" is all about. >Tire manufactures stopped offering the warranty in January 2005. So >unless the dealer is offering it, you SOOL. 'Discount Tire' (dunno if in your area) but they still offer it & honor it at all their stores nationwide. >>On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:00:59 GMT, New_TL_Owner said: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >'Discount Tire' (dunno if in your area) but they still offer it & honor it >at all their stores nationwide. It so happens my Goodyear dealer is offering it as well. His own initiative. Signature"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer." - Douglas Adams > On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:00:59 GMT, New_TL_Owner said: > >>This is exactly what the "Road Hazard Warranty" is all about. > > Tire manufactures stopped offering the warranty in January 2005. So > unless the dealer is offering it, you SOOL. Of course, it isn't actaully a warranty, it's insurance. Mike >> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:00:59 GMT, New_TL_Owner said: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >Of course, it isn't actaully a warranty, it's insurance. Yes, of course. Signature"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer." - Douglas Adams On 12/26/05 6:59 PM, in article jn31r1120pm5u3257dnph4cthidv1aule3@4ax.com, >>>> I have a screw in my tire. I have been told that the tire cannot be >>>> repaired because the hole is so close to the sidewall. It's about 3/4 [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sheesh. Get over it. Buy a new tire. This is silly. There is no risk to patching a tire with a screw in the tread area. Especially one this new. It's dangerous if the puncture is in the sidewall, but not an inch into the tread. You must be made of money. On 12/26/05 5:15 PM, in article v7u0r1tta7d84nu581f9qco2ibhe9ncbsp@4ax.com, > I have a screw in my tire. I have been told that the tire cannot be > repaired because the hole is so close to the sidewall. It's about 3/4 > of an inch from the side, right after the first row of thread. I would > appreciate your opinion / advice. > > Cheers! That should be repairable. If the sidewall is damaged, they usually don't try to fix them, but punctures in the tread are usually OK to repair. How much tread does it have remaining? >On 12/26/05 5:15 PM, in article v7u0r1tta7d84nu581f9qco2ibhe9ncbsp@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >try to fix them, but punctures in the tread are usually OK to repair. How >much tread does it have remaining? I just came back from the Goodyear distributor where I bought my tires. They put a plug in it. They said a little more to the outside and it was a new tire. You have to be careful who you do business with, I guess. I barely have 5000km on that tire. It probably still has 75-80% thread. Signature"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer." - Douglas Adams > I just came back from the Goodyear distributor where I bought my > tires. They put a plug in it. They said a little more to the outside > and it was a new tire. You have to be careful who you do business > with, I guess. Well,tire stores are primarily in business to -sell- new tires. Patching tires is a sideline for them. As in any business,Good stores will help you with repairs as much as possible,and in YOUR best interests,in order to bring them new business when you really need new tires,and also for recommendations to others. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > I have a screw in my tire. I have been told that the tire cannot be > repaired because the hole is so close to the sidewall. It's about 3/4 > of an inch from the side, right after the first row of thread. I would > appreciate your opinion / advice. > > Cheers! You should never plug a tire. The repair is to boot or patch from the inside. If the hole is close to the sidewall and not on the tread, you should write it off as the repair will be unreliable. On 12/28/05 5:46 AM, in article rtFsf.18030$Ou3.2114@dukeread09, "TWW" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote: >> I have a screw in my tire. I have been told that the tire cannot be >> repaired because the hole is so close to the sidewall. It's about 3/4 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > inside. If the hole is close to the sidewall and not on the tread, you > should write it off as the repair will be unreliable. I've been plugging them with the $2 string kit since the '60s and have yet to ever have a leak or failure on any size or speed tire. When I got my new Infiniti, I heard about this and took it to the dealer thinking they would do the more elaborate "recommended" method. They used the same string plug I could have bought at Wal-Mart for $2 (but charged $17). The only places I have ever encountered that do anything else are Discount Tire and NTB. I think this "never plug a tire" deal is another of those car repair urban legends that gains popularity simply by virtue of each successive advocate screaming a little louder about it. Tell me - how many of you out there have ever actually experienced a tire failure due to a plug? >When I got my new Infiniti Which one? Signature"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer." - Douglas Adams On 12/28/05 8:42 PM, in article h8j6r15hpmndfuagmjmj95r250a18b79s8@4ax.com, >> When I got my new Infiniti > > Which one? The I30t in '97. > On 12/28/05 5:46 AM, in article rtFsf.18030$Ou3.2114@dukeread09, "TWW" > <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I've been plugging them with the $2 string kit since the '60s and have yet > to ever have a leak or failure on any size or speed tire. Read the following at this site at Tire Rack -- http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=77¤tpage=38 > When I got my new Infiniti, I heard about this and took it to the dealer > thinking they would do the more elaborate "recommended" method. They used [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Tell me - how many of you out there have ever actually experienced a tire > failure due to a plug? On 12/29/05 2:33 AM, in article Oy_sf.58720$4l5.37529@dukeread05, "TWW" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote: >> I've been plugging them with the $2 string kit since the '60s and have yet >> to ever have a leak or failure on any size or speed tire. > > Read the following at this site at Tire Rack -- > http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=77¤tpage=38 While I agree with what they say, I have never found it to be an issue. OK, the manufacturer no longer supports a plugged tire's original speed rating. When is the last time you ran your tire up to the original rated speed (130 MPH for an "H" rated tire)? Since the vast majority of tire shops and dealers (at least the ones around here) appear to ignore this and use string plugs anyway, it can't really be that big a deal. > On 12/29/05 2:33 AM, in article Oy_sf.58720$4l5.37529@dukeread05, "TWW" > <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > Read the following at this site at Tire Rack -- http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=77¤tpage=38 > While I agree with what they say, I have never found it to be an issue. OK, > the manufacturer no longer supports a plugged tire's original speed rating. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > here) appear to ignore this and use string plugs anyway, it can't really be > that big a deal. Good for you. You are a man of conviction. Far be it for me to change your mind. My experience with reputable tire stores is, however, otherwise as the "boot" repair that includes checking the tire out is preferred. In fact, the stores I have dealt with won't do it any other way. And, the repair usually runs around $20-25 which includes balancing. If you are on your second set of tires, many stores will also throw in repair free as a part of the road hazard warranty. I run an 01 Prelude on the highway a lot, and while I certainly have never taken the car to its 140 max, I do run around 80 or so. I like to have to best repair possible on a tire in such circumstances -- in fact under any circumstances given the cost. On 12/30/05 10:50 AM, in article RRdtf.20726$Ou3.14500@dukeread09, "TWW" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote: >> On 12/29/05 2:33 AM, in article Oy_sf.58720$4l5.37529@dukeread05, "TWW" >> <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > 80 or so. I like to have to best repair possible on a tire in such > circumstances -- in fact under any circumstances given the cost. As you say, if you bought the road hazard warranty, free repairs are usually included. Around here, only Discount Tire and NTB do the "recommended" repair, and both of them, even though they have a price posted for the service, do it free even if you didn't buy the tires from them. The problem is that neither of them can balance a tire to save their lives, so you end up with a properly patched tire that bounces around like a rock, until you take it somewhere else and pay to have it re-balanced. >As you say, if you bought the road hazard warranty, free repairs are usually >included. Around here, only Discount Tire and NTB do the "recommended" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >up with a properly patched tire that bounces around like a rock, until you >take it somewhere else and pay to have it re-balanced. The term 'balancing' itself is subjective since there's several ways to do it. Off the car, vs. spin-balanced on the car, vs spin-balanced on the car while UNDER LOAD. Not many shops can do the latter, although some tire experts will swear 'under load' is the only true way to accurately balance a tire and will also result in the quietest operation at highway speeds. > >As you say, if you bought the road hazard warranty, free repairs are usually > >included. Around here, only Discount Tire and NTB do the "recommended" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > experts will swear 'under load' is the only true way to accurately balance > a tire and will also result in the quietest operation at highway speeds. The shop I deal with uses the latest Hunter Force balancing equipment. The under load balancing is the way to go I believe. > The shop I deal with uses the latest Hunter Force balancing equipment. > The > under load balancing is the way to go I believe. Most of the time it probably doesn't make a difference - I've been happy with the balance on most of the tires I've had. But I recently got a new F350 Super Duty truck at work and took it back to Ford because when I hit even small bumps on the freeway the truck shook violently for a couple seconds. They replaced all 4 tires. I was skeptical, but that cured the problem. Huh. A couple of people who had followed me on the freeway said the left rear tire was constantly flexing, so maybe it was a defect... or maybe it was a weird balance problem. I've heard good things about the Hunter equipment - that it will identify problems that go undetected otherwise. There are sure enough weird tire problems to make the equipment worthwhile. Mike >I've heard good things about the Hunter equipment - that it will identify >problems that go undetected otherwise. There are sure enough weird tire >problems to make the equipment worthwhile. HUNTER brand tire machines have been used in tire shops for about as many years as I've been driving, which dates back to the '60s. Obviously they manufacture all varieties of tire servicing equipment, from old fashioned manual mallet & prybar breakdown fixtures on up to the latest state of the art GPS9700 Road Force balancing system (about $28k so I was told) http://www.hunter.com/pub/product/balancer/4159T/index.htm Find a tire shop with one of these and you've found "your" tire shop. On 1/1/06 7:47 AM, in article mmRtf.27824$Ou3.3244@dukeread09, "TWW" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote: >>> As you say, if you bought the road hazard warranty, free repairs are > usually [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > The shop I deal with uses the latest Hunter Force balancing equipment. The > under load balancing is the way to go I believe. My experience says the equipment is irrelevant. Some places insist their techs take the time to do it right and some don't. If you watch the techs in action, you can usually tell at a glance how its going to turn out by how irreverently they are throwing the tire around on the machine and pounding weights all over the wheel. >My experience says the equipment is irrelevant. Some places insist their >techs take the time to do it right and some don't. If you watch the techs >in action, you can usually tell at a glance how its going to turn out by how >irreverently they are throwing the tire around on the machine and pounding >weights all over the wheel. Which in itself depends a great deal on whether they are hourly or work on percentage/commission. I like the "boot" repair idea. I'll now check around for who does that repair in my area and have it noted in the event I ever need it and hopefully near them when needed. >> On 12/29/05 2:33 AM, in article Oy_sf.58720$4l5.37529@dukeread05, "TWW" >> <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > 80 or so. I like to have to best repair possible on a tire in such > circumstances -- in fact under any circumstances given the cost. I have always had tires patched. However the last flat I had the tire was plugged. Never failed but did have a slight leak or so it seems. I check the air in my tires every other week and that particular tire always seemed to be a pound or two light. > On 12/28/05 5:46 AM, in article rtFsf.18030$Ou3.2114@dukeread09, "TWW" > <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Tell me - how many of you out there have ever actually experienced a tire > failure due to a plug? |
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