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Car Forum / Acura Cars / April 20062008 - TL - V8
I Understand the the 2008 TL will be a major change from the current model. It's rumored to offer an optional V8, amoung other new options. I'm not sure if this is true, or someone's BS. If it does prove true, then I can't wait to see what it's like. >I Understand the the 2008 TL will be a major change from the current model. > It's rumored to offer an optional V8, amoung other new options. I'm not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > see > what it's like. Given the ever increasing price of gas why would they opt for a V8 now? >>I Understand the the 2008 TL will be a major change from the current model. >> It's rumored to offer an optional V8, amoung other new options. I'm not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >Given the ever increasing price of gas why would they opt for a V8 now? That's a very good question. Perhaps it just bad timing. I guess one could ask why people still buy SUV's, although I'm sure many may have paused due to the ever increasing price of gas. > I Understand the the 2008 TL will be a major change from the current model. > It's rumored to offer an optional V8, amoung other new options. I'm not sure > if this is true, or someone's BS. If it does prove true, then I can't wait to > see > what it's like. What for. Is this current V6 inadequate. To keep pace with M-Benz they'll offer a V-8. They could shut off cylinders 4-6-8 style (as they do with the Accord V-6) for economy operation or hybridize a V-8 with electric motors/batts for urban use or build a V-8 multi-fuel diesel. Given the "weight" of all modern cars (they'd rather talk about airbags, safety, luxury) a V-8 isn't rediculous. I preferred the late Mr. Honda's philosophy: 4-cylinders and a low belt-line but that's not exactly what the public seems to want. However, a V-8 is quite smooth. Bill > > I Understand the the 2008 TL will be a major change from the current > model. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > What for. Is this current V6 inadequate. > To keep pace with M-Benz they'll offer a V-8. They could shut off > cylinders 4-6-8 style (as they do with the Accord V-6) for economy operation [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Bill Although I am a Honda 4 cylinder type -- have an 01 Prelude and think the S2000 and Civic Si are the "right stuff," I should imagine Honda will do a V8 that will water your eyes and be fuel efficient too. > > > I Understand the the 2008 TL will be a major change from the current > > model. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > > What for. Is this current V6 inadequate. >> Bill >Although I am a Honda 4 cylinder type -- have an 01 Prelude and think the >S2000 and Civic Si are the "right stuff," I should imagine Honda will do a >V8 that will water your eyes and be fuel efficient too. Their V6 is pretty nice but not extremely fuel efficient.  Signature"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer." - Douglas Adams having had the 1st gen Legend coupe, and now with the 2nd gen Legend coupe, i concur. I can imagine its a marketing thing, people would say,"...I can get a Lexus with a V8 instead of a V6 Acura". But if Honda can pull off a torquey and efficient 8, good on them. It would have to be an option cause the timing is not good with gas prices nowadays, or forever. And they even have more reason to, Toyo/Lex just came out with their hybrid GS. > >> Bill > >Although I am a Honda 4 cylinder type -- have an 01 Prelude and think the > >S2000 and Civic Si are the "right stuff," I should imagine Honda will do a > >V8 that will water your eyes and be fuel efficient too. > > Their V6 is pretty nice but not extremely fuel efficient. >Toyo/Lex just came out with their hybrid GS. Hybrid is total bullshit. It is not that much more efficient, and the toll that the batteries put on the environment is stagering. Plus, who wants to pay an extra $10,000 every 5 years for new batteries? Signature"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer." - Douglas Adams > Hybrid is total bullshit. It is not that much more efficient, and the > toll that the batteries put on the environment is stagering. Plus, who > wants to pay an extra $10,000 every 5 years for new batteries? You know for a fact that owners of the original Prius are replacing their batteries? For $10K? In fact, they are not. Not replacing batteries and Toyota is not charging $10K. While I agree that hybrids don't appear to make economic sense, there's no need to exaggerate their maintenance costs. However, the 2007 Camry Hybrid, if it is priced at $25K, might make me change my mind. Re. V8 in a TL: well few expected Honda to go with a turbo 4 (see Acura RDX) so a very small displacement V8 shouldn't come as a complete shock. Formula 1 rules have changed to a 2.4 L V8 turbo configuration, haven't they? >>Toyo/Lex just came out with their hybrid GS. > > Hybrid is total bullshit. It is not that much more efficient, and the > toll that the batteries put on the environment is stagering. Plus, who > wants to pay an extra $10,000 every 5 years for new batteries? I think this topic has been beaten to death a few times. Toyota warrants their batteries for 8 years/100K miles (10 yrs/150K in about a dozen states). One of the regulars in the Yahoo Prius forum recently had his battery replaced under warranty (the third replacement we know of among the 11,000 members) and the amount backcharged to Toyota was a shade over $1100 US. The group founder has over 190K miles on his 2001 Prius and no sign of battery trouble. Most of the dire predictions I heard when we bought the car three years ago were for replacing every three years, and the time span has stretched as the predictions have not come true. Since there were 15,556 Prius cars sold in the US in calendar year 2001 and battery replacements have been extremely rare so far it appears the 5 year prediction can be retired. Toyota says the design life is 12 - 15 years, and the reliability so far bears that out. Toyota includes a $200 US deposit in the price of the batteries, and the recycling costs are prepaid the same way. For efficiency, our 2002 gets real-world mid to upper 40s mpg in town depending on temperature... about twice what our daughter gets with her 1993 Accord. The current generation is about 15% more efficient than our 2002. Mike >>>Toyo/Lex just came out with their hybrid GS. >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Mike There is no magic to hybrids. The pick-up some efficiency by converting what would otherwise be wasted energy, that is the heat from the brakes, into energy that can be stored, i.e. electricty that is stored in the batteries. But the gain in only marginal and only applies to driving that involves a lot of braking, i.e. city driving. On the highway, there is very little, if any, efficiency gain from a hybrid. The new SUV hybrids prove this. The reason the Prius gets such good mileage is primarily due to the fact that it is an extremely small, very light and very aerodynamic car. Put a pure gas engine in that car and it would still be an mpg winner. > There is no magic to hybrids. The pick-up some efficiency by converting > what would otherwise be wasted energy, that is the heat from the brakes, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > aerodynamic car. Put a pure gas engine in that car and it would still be > an mpg winner. Regenerative braking is a very minor advantage of hybrids; Toyota says "up to 30%" of the braking energy can be used for offsetting fuel consumption. That just isn't significant except for recovering the effect of hills. It sure does save the brakes for no additional cost, though. The greatest part of the hybrid advantage is the ability to avoid running the engine in extremely low efficiency modes, such as in-town driving. Using a 200 hp engine to move a five passenger car through town is ridiculous, but there wasn't much we could do about it until recently. The technology just wasn't available. A lesser (for now) part is related to the same thing. Since hybrid systems provide additional power for acceleration, the engine size can be reduced. Ideally, the engine in a passenger car should be just the power needed to maintain maximum posted speed on the maximum upgrade with full rated vehicle weight. Sizing an engine that way would make for terrible throttle response without the assist hybrid systems provide. For example, our 2002 Prius has only something like 70 hp from the 1.6 L engine, but is much more responsive around town than our turbo Volvo. Here at 7000 ft the Volvo, always a dog until the turbo gets its mojo going, struggles to get rolling. The Prius uses the electrics, which are unaffected by altitude, to launch it off the line. Once the Volvo's turbo gets spooled up the tables are turned, but in everyday driving the hybrid is the easy winner for responsiveness. My daughter's '93 Accord is almost as responsive as the Prius at sea level, but not quite. Hybridization is in its infancy. Many of the "hybrids" on the road are scarcely worthy of the designation. Yes, the Accord Hybrid is one of those pretenders. Only the Toyota system today makes the engine a resource of the hybrid system computer (you can put a brick on the accelerator with the car in park). There are no serial hybrids - the engine only used to maintain charge on the batteries - for sale yet, but the technology is a holy grail for car makers who hope to dominate the industry in the 21st century. For now, cars with conventional power trains can compete on the basis of acceleration performance... but that won't last much longer. http://world.honda.com/Tokyo2001/auto/DUALNOTE/ (42 mpg in tests) http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/volta.html (31 mpg in tests) Mike The Honda RL in Japan has an optional V-8 and has had one for a couple years they are probably finally just bringing it to America.
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