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Car Forum / Acura Cars / May 2006'89 Legend 5 speed manual tranny
I have an '89 Legend 2dr coupe with a 5 speed manual transmission that always wants to pop out of 2nd gear. 1) Is this a known problem with this tranny..?? 2) Is there a known fix for the problem? Any help would be appreciated. > I have an '89 Legend 2dr coupe with a 5 speed manual transmission > that always wants to pop out of 2nd gear. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Any help would be appreciated. Worn front engine mount, probably. That, or worn dog teeth. How many miles? Do you know the car's maintenance history?  SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ TeGGer, The car has 155k on the odometer and I have no maintenance records for the first 100k. You can still use 2nd gear but you have to hold it there about 95% of the time, especially when you lift off on the gas. The problem came on pretty sudden and the shifter actually feels like some kind of soft rubber ball or something had fallen down inside the shifter boot and was blocking the linkage but I have pulled the console and eliminated that theory. I don't know whether that gives you any more insight or not and thanks,I appreciate your time. dana > > I have an '89 Legend 2dr coupe with a 5 speed manual transmission > > that always wants to pop out of 2nd gear. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > How many miles? > Do you know the car's maintenance history? > TeGGer, > The car has 155k on the odometer and I have no maintenance [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I don't know whether that gives you any more insight or not and > thanks,I appreciate your time. It sure sounds like a worn engine mount. Also, I'm not familiar with the Legend's shifter setup, but it's possible the shift lever bushings are also worn out. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ TeGGer- A rather interesting development in this mystery.... I drained the transaxle oil and what do I find in my drain pan but a small, stiff spring and a steel (detent?) ball.... The original scope of this project was to replace the clutch & pressure plate with this 2nd gear problem being a secondary issue but after having found the ball & spring I guess I best pop the tranny open and see whats involved in resolving this problem too. Thanks once again for your time. I'll let you know what I find. ~dana > > TeGGer, > > The car has 155k on the odometer and I have no maintenance [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Legend's shifter setup, but it's possible the shift lever bushings are also > worn out. > TeGGer- > A rather interesting development in this mystery.... I drained > the > transaxle oil and what do I find in my drain pan but a small, stiff > spring and a steel (detent?) ball.... Now that's an odd one. I wonder if the tranny was rebuilt at some point and not reassembled correctly, or if the casting is broken somewhere. I've never heard of this before. Does the spring appear broken? SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ TeGGeR- The spring isn't broken so that was the 1st thing I asked myself... what had to happen to let the ball and spring fall out..?? I'll find out soon when I crack it open, I'll let you know what I find. -dana > > TeGGer- > > A rather interesting development in this mystery.... I drained [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Does the spring appear broken? Tegger, Just a quick update... The ball & spring didn't come out of the drain plug... they came out of what I thought was a drain plug. Oh well... Still haven't split the tranny open yet.. was waiting for a manual which a friend dropped off today. Unfortunately, the manual covers the tranny but not the clutch, P/P or flywheel. You wouldn't happen to know where I could find any specs on the flywheel would you. It has a 'stepped' surface, if thats the correct term. I would like to get the surface trued but not sure what tolerances and etc are allowed before a person has to replace it. Any help would be much appreciated. thanks, -dana > TeGGeR- > The spring isn't broken so that was the 1st thing I asked myself... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > Does the spring appear broken? > Tegger, > Just a quick update... The ball & spring didn't come out of the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > thanks, > -dana Dunno if it applies to your Legend, but you should be aware of what we went through with the pilot bearing on my son's Integra. We had a devil of a time getting the pilot bearing out of the flywheel. We finally broke down and removed the flywheel... then found the bearing can only come out from the back! Live and learn and curse. Btw - the flywheel was in great shape so we elected not to have it turned; we just Scotchbrited the surface to deglaze it and cleaned it with brake cleaner. Mike Mike, Thanks for your feedback. For some unknown reason the Acura engineers felt that a pilot bushing was not necessary on the Legend which explains why I am most likely looking at replacing the bearings on the trannys main shaft. ~dana > > Tegger, > > Just a quick update... The ball & spring didn't come out of the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Mike > Tegger, > Just a quick update... The ball & spring didn't come out of > the > drain plug... they came out of what I thought was a drain plug. Looks like you've got a bunch of those things. The manual calls them "sealing bolts", but to me they look like detents. It appears you can just reinstall what fell out and no harm done. It seems to me that all the shift arm detents are held in this way. You might want to check for the one that holds your 2nd gear in place. That one might be broken. > Oh > well... Still haven't split the tranny open yet.. was waiting for a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > correct term. I would like to get the surface trued but not sure what > tolerances and etc are allowed before a person has to replace it. This is all I've got: http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/91_legend_flywheel.pdf I can't imagine the '89 being much different. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Tegger- Quick update on this tranny.... the main input shaft bearing and the countershaft bearing with the snapring both went south on me. Not certain whether they, in turn, took out the pilot bushing or vice versa but the pilot was gone too. I'm really amazed that the only noticeable problem was the tranny kicking out of gear because the main input shaft bearing was completely missing the cage around the ball bearings leaving the shaft with better than .1250" of end play.. Thank gawd for the internet because I was playing hell trying to find those bearings through local resources. The countershaft bearing with the snapring is a proprietary item and had to go through Acura to get that one. I think replacing these 2 bearings & seals should eliminate the thing kicking outta' 2nd gear. Thanks again for all your help. ~dana > > Tegger, > > Just a quick update... The ball & spring didn't come out of [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > I can't imagine the '89 being much different. > Tegger- > Quick update on this tranny.... the main input shaft bearing and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > completely missing the cage around the ball bearings leaving the shaft > with better than .1250" of end play.. Wow!! It's a bit surprising the tranny even worked at all with that. > Thank gawd for the internet because I was playing hell trying to > find [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > kicking outta' 2nd gear. > Thanks again for all your help. Thanks for the update. You never know what your gonna find some days, huh? SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > You never know what your gonna find Aggh, typo! "YOU'RE", not "YOUR". Blame poor proofreading before hitting "Send". SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Tegger- > Quick update on this tranny.... the main input shaft bearing and the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Thanks again for all your help. > ~dana Thanks a lot for the update. The next sufferer will get the benefit of your unfortunate experience. FWIW, I suspect the input shaft bearing or countershaft bearing was the first to go. Pilot bearing failures are common enough that they aren't a mystery, and they usually announce themselves by dragging and making shifting very difficult. Even at that the input shaft bearing usually isn't affected by the failure. Mike UPDATE: Some claim that there is a pilot bushing in the '89 Legend 5 speed manual yet Acura doesn't list one in the parts and no auto parts store could find one either. Well I found parts of what was once a pilot bushing inside the bellhousing in addition to wear marks on the tip of the input shaft when I pulled it out. Unable to find a source for the original bushing I bought a pilot bushing for a '69 Chev pickup stating it had a 350 V8 and a 3 speed manual tranny through NAPA (Balkamp) part #615-1161 which is a bronze bushing which is just a hair to large on the O/D and a bit too small on the I/D but was easy to "manicure' into a proper fit. Now if my input shaft seal and bearing ever get here I may put it together again thanks again everyone.... > > Tegger- > > Quick update on this tranny.... the main input shaft bearing and the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Mike |
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