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Car Forum / Acura Cars / December 200697 Integra ls shifting problems
Need help with 97 Integra ls.. When I press the clutch to the floor I hear a slight grinding noise similar to the noise the ABS makes. Also it is difficult to get the car into 3rd and 4th gear, then grinds in 5th. If I only push the clutch half way the shifts are pretty smooth. The car has 170,000 miles with the original tranny parts i'm sure. Any suggestions? bmcca02@hotmail.com wrote in news:1165698344.773059.102380 @l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com: > Need help with 97 Integra ls.. When I press the clutch to the floor I > hear a slight grinding noise similar to the noise the ABS makes. Also > it is difficult to get the car into 3rd and 4th gear, then grinds in > 5th. If I only push the clutch half way the shifts are pretty smooth. > The car has 170,000 miles with the original tranny parts i'm sure. Any > suggestions? When did this start? Has it been that way since you bought the car, or did it start later? Does it happen when the engine is both cold and when hot, or just when one or the other? When the car is idling but mot moving, can you push the clutch and not hear the noise? Can you change gears easily if the car's mot moving? It's unlikely you still have the original clutch at 170K.  SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Have had the car for 5 years. It just started and it occurs when it is hot and cold. Shifting is easy when not moving. When engine is really cold it chips the tires when you let the clutch out and jumps till its warm. When the car is not moving you can push the clutch to the floor and it still makes the noise but only when you come to a stop. > bmcca02@hotmail.com wrote in news:1165698344.773059.102380 > @l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ > www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Have had the car for 5 years. It just started and it occurs when it > is hot and cold. Shifting is easy when not moving. When engine is [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ >> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Worn throwout bearing? SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net Tegger wrote: >> bmcca02@hotmail.com wrote in news:1165698344.773059.102380 >> @l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > the floor and it still makes the noise but only when you come to a > stop. When was the last time the transmission fluid level was checked? Sounds like yours is way low. Try getting it drained and refilled (with Honda MTF) and see if the problem persists. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Tegger wrote: >> bmcca02@hotmail.com wrote in news:1165698344.773059.102380 >> @l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > the floor and it still makes the noise but only when you come to a > stop. The more I think about this one, the more I'm suspecting it's the release bearing (as mentioned by Jim Yanik). Are you quite certain the "chirp" you hear is actually the tires? I'm wondering if your'e not hearing the release bearing squeal instead. Perhaps you could give a few more details on the "jumping" thing. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Its chirping the tires for sure, and the front end skips or hops when the car is really cold. Plus I live in the NE were it gets quite cold, last week when it all started it was 10 degrees real temp! I had the fluid level checked in the transaxle like you recomended and it was clean and full. The more I drive it the more I have figured out how to have it drive normal. If I push the clutch only half way its fine, its when I push it to the floor and try to make a quick gear changes it grinds or won't allow me to shift. > Tegger wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ > www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Its chirping the tires for sure, and the front end skips or hops when > the car is really cold. Plus I live in the NE were it gets quite cold, [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ >> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ I wonder if he has clutch master/slave cylinder problems? Maybe one of the cylinders has a worn area in the bore and when he pushes down to that point,it lets fluid around it and the clutch only goes part released.(maybe a piston seal is getting stiff with cold?) Or maybe water in the fluid and it's affected in cold weather? (long shot) SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net >>> The more I think about this one, the more I'm suspecting it's the >>> release bearing (as mentioned by Jim Yanik). [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > pushes down to that point,it lets fluid around it and the clutch only > goes part released.(maybe a piston seal is getting stiff with cold?) It's a good guess. I think the OP has a problem that is best dealt with personally by a local tech. It's probably something nobody would have thought of based on the descriptions given so far. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > Its chirping the tires for sure, and the front end skips or hops when > the car is really cold. Plus I live in the NE were it gets quite cold, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > when I push it to the floor and try to make a quick gear changes it > grinds or won't allow me to shift. Then your clutch is almost certainly just plain worn out. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Noise is caused by springs in clutch disc contacting the flywheel bolts. This is cause by a worn or broken clutch disc of the two I would say broken. The disc breaks where the damper springs are held in allowing the springs to move in their seats and when the pedal is pushed all the way down they hit the bolts cause before mentioned noise. Need a new clutch!! Good Luck David Short AcuraGod > Need help with 97 Integra ls.. When I press the clutch to the floor I > hear a slight grinding noise similar to the noise the ABS makes. Also > it is difficult to get the car into 3rd and 4th gear, then grinds in > 5th. If I only push the clutch half way the shifts are pretty smooth. > The car has 170,000 miles with the original tranny parts i'm sure. Any > suggestions? > Noise is caused by springs in clutch disc contacting the flywheel > bolts. This is cause by a worn or broken clutch disc of the two I > would say broken. The disc breaks where the damper springs are held in > allowing the springs to move in their seats and when the pedal is > pushed all the way down they hit the bolts cause before mentioned > noise. Need a new clutch!! Aha! Would this be one of those things that happens when the springs are starting to pop out of their recesses? SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> Noise is caused by springs in clutch disc contacting the flywheel >> bolts. This is cause by a worn or broken clutch disc of the two I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Aha! Would this be one of those things that happens when the springs are > starting to pop out of their recesses? sounds like its WHY the springs pop out. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net >>> Noise is caused by springs in clutch disc contacting the flywheel >>> bolts. This is cause by a worn or broken clutch disc of the two I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > sounds like its WHY the springs pop out. In that case I wonder what the OP has done to his clutch. If the friction disc were *broken*, the rivets must have bent or broken that bind the two halves of the outer hub together. I can't see how else this could happen. David? Seems to me it would take either an aftermarket disc -- or considerable abuse -- to get this to happen. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ Fatigue and abuse are usually the culprits. But I have seen them fail driven normally?! (Customer description) David Short Acura God >>>> Noise is caused by springs in clutch disc contacting the flywheel >>>> bolts. This is cause by a worn or broken clutch disc of the two I [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Seems to me it would take either an aftermarket disc -- or considerable > abuse -- to get this to happen. >>>> Noise is caused by springs in clutch disc contacting the flywheel >>>> bolts. This is cause by a worn or broken clutch disc of the two I [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Seems to me it would take either an aftermarket disc -- or considerable >abuse -- to get this to happen. I have had this problem with my GS-R. You are right, considerable abuse (or as we GS-R drivers call it - normal abuse) does lead to this problem. In my case, it mostly cause it to be hard to shift into first/reverse as I recall. Could also be synchros in the transmission although I think this is unlikely. Easy to check: if double clutching the upshift solves the problem then it is bad synchros. (To double clutch the upshift, shift into neutral, let the clutch out for just a second, put it back in, then shift into the higher gear. Don't give it any gas until you are get it into the next gear.)
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