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Car Forum / Acura Cars / August 2007Engine Won't Start
I have a 1991 Acura Legend that periodically fails to start. The seems to have on humid weather days. I thought that maybe there is too much pressure in the fuel system, so I loosen the fuel tank cap and quite a bit of pressure escape, but the engine still failed to start. When I allow the car sit until later in the day or into the evening it starts right away. What's the possible problem? In article <d4aef9584e277e4e8b618b5a685c040d@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, cea1 @comcast.net says... > I have a 1991 Acura Legend that periodically fails to start. The seems to > have on humid weather days. I thought that maybe there is too much [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What's the possible problem? You need 3 things to make an engine run: Air, Fuel, Spark Does the engine try to start then quit? Do you have spark? Do you have fuel pressure?  SignatureI. Care Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-} I. Care, No, the engine doesn't try to start, it just spends over-and-over. I'm not sure about spark, I'm away from home or wrenches at the moment. I'm not sure about fuel pressure. But. when I took the fuel cap off there was a lot of pressure in the tank, does that type of pressure mean anything in termof fuel system pressure? > I. Care, > > No, the engine doesn't try to start, it just spends over-and-over. SPINS,or...cranks,but no start/run. > I'm > not sure about spark, I'm away from home or wrenches at the moment. > I'm not sure about fuel pressure. But. when I took the fuel cap off > there was a lot of pressure in the tank, does that type of pressure > mean anything in termof fuel system pressure? No,that is just usual gas vapor pressure. The fuel injection runs at a much higher pressure than that.(if the fuel pump is getting turned on by the main relay.) If there's no or insufficient fuel pressure at the injector supply rail,the car may start and immediately die,then just crank without starting,until you give up or your battery runs out of juice. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > I have a 1991 Acura Legend that periodically fails to start. The seems > to have on humid weather days. I thought that maybe there is too much [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What's the possible problem? main relay;it runs the fuel pump,gets cracked solder joints internally,hot temps cause it to not work.It's a common problem across many Honda/Acura products;the same relay is used in all of them,it seems. It's usually located up under the dash on the driver's side footwell. see www.tegger.com SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net Jim, I have the shop manual for the car, I'll take a look to see where the relay is located. Will there be any outward sign(s) of a problem with this relay? I'm asking about outward sign(s)because you're advising me that the relay gets cracked solder joints internally. Also, is there someway to troubleshoot this relay? > Jim, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that the relay gets cracked solder joints internally. Also, is there > someway to troubleshoot this relay? In case you never actually tried looking where Jim said, I'll give you a direct link: http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/startproblems.html#mainrelay Pay attention to the red text. Check out the behavior of the car relative to the description in red, then diagnose further. SignatureTegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> Jim, >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Pay attention to the red text. Check out the behavior of the car relative > to the description in red, then diagnose further. (To the OP) One more thing - if you do check for a spark, be sure to read TeGGeR's instructions for that. Leaving the spark no place to go will likely destroy the coil. But I agree: focus on the main relay at this point until diagnostics lead you away. It's so common it's the first thing we think of for symptoms like yours. Mike Thanks, Mike! Tegger, Thanks for the troubleshooting info. I'll give it a go and let you know how things turned out. cea1 > Jim, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that the relay gets cracked solder joints internally. Also, is there > someway to troubleshoot this relay? if you do take it out,you can take the outer cover off(it snaps off easily) and RESOLDER the PCB joints(if you know how to solder and have the tools),and it will work fine afterwards and not fail for many many years.It's very easy. Then you don't have to pay $50 or more for a new relay that could(will) develop the same fault. SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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