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Car Forum / Acura Cars / October 2007

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BenNASA@gmail.com - 09 Oct 2007 18:13 GMT
I have a 90 Acura Integra.  Occasionally when I turn the key I get
nothing.  The starter does not click.  It is very similar to when
trying to start the car while it is in drive.  I have recently changed
the ignition switch, main relay, starter and fuel pump.  These were
all changed for other reason in the past 5 months.  Any ideas?  I was
thinking it could be the switch around the gear selector, but I am not
sure. Could it be a bad ignition switch?  Anyway to test?

Thanks
motsco_ - 09 Oct 2007 18:23 GMT
> I have a 90 Acura Integra.  Occasionally when I turn the key I get
> nothing.  The starter does not click.  It is very similar to when
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> Thanks

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THe starter solenoid finds it's path to ground through the armature and
brushes. Just tapping the side of the starter with a hammer will usually
make your car start, since the brushes are burnt up / hanging up or
sitting on a burnt part of the armature. You probably need your armature
lathed / undercut, and your brushes replaced. If it makes the big
'CLICK', but does nothing, thats the contacts in your solenoid.
Different symptoms.

Read all the way through this thread and follow the various links
provided:
http://www.hondasuv.com/members/showthread.php?t=20252&highlight=stranded+solenoid

'Curly'
BenNASA@gmail.com - 10 Oct 2007 00:03 GMT
> BenN...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I have a 90 Acura Integra.  Occasionally when I turn the key I get
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> 'Curly'

I just replace the starter and there is not a click.  There is
nothing.  I am not saying that I could have purchased a bad starter.
I bought a reconditioned one from NAPA.  Sometimes it will start
within a minute and sometime within a half an hour.
Jim Yanik - 10 Oct 2007 03:20 GMT
>> BenN...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > I have a 90 Acura Integra.  Occasionally when I turn the key I get
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> I bought a reconditioned one from NAPA.  Sometimes it will start
> within a minute and sometime within a half an hour.

how's your battery?  
as far as the gear selector interlock,you could rig a bypass starter
switch,see if your car cranks then.

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BenNASA@gmail.com - 11 Oct 2007 19:36 GMT
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The battery is new.  I will try to jumper the switch the next time
this happens.
BenNASA@gmail.com - 17 Oct 2007 17:03 GMT
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The car is still having this issue.  Sometimes the car will not start
on the first turn and start the second and other times it will take
about 30 minutes before the starter will engage.  When I turn the key
nothing clicks or turns only the dash lights light up.  Any more ideas?
Jim Yanik - 18 Oct 2007 00:22 GMT
> On Oct 11, 2:36 pm, "BenN...@gmail.com" <BenN...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> nothing clicks or turns only the dash lights light up.  Any more
> ideas?

can you trigger the starter solenoid directly(and crank the motor),using a
bypass switch like mechanics use? That is what I meant by "bypassing the
switch";bypassing the ignition switch(and any lockout switch,too) by
applying 12V directly to the starter solenoid terminal.
If you can't,then it's your new starter. If you can,then it's your ignition
switch or the auto lockout switch.
you could also meter the terminal to see if you get 12V to the solenoid
when you try to crank the motor.(or use a test lamp)

I had to replace the solenoid contacts in my 94 Integra GS-R,they get
eroded and make intermittent contact.Cost was $30 USD,much cheaper than
replacing the whole starter. But at least I got a "click" when I turned the
ignition switch to crank.

http://www.nationsautoelectric.com/Nippondenso.html

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motsco_ - 18 Oct 2007 05:16 GMT
> On Oct 11, 2:36 pm, "BenN...@gmail.com" <BenN...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> about 30 minutes before the starter will engage.  When I turn the key
> nothing clicks or turns only the dash lights light up.  Any more ideas?

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The ignition switch sounds shot (but it could be an interlock too).
Honda recalled about a billion of them a few years later, and a friend
of mine had his go bad. I've had five of them replaced in the recall.

'Curly'
Jim Yanik - 18 Oct 2007 20:24 GMT
>> On Oct 11, 2:36 pm, "BenN...@gmail.com" <BenN...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 'Curly'

five on the same car?

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motsco_ - 18 Oct 2007 22:57 GMT
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>> The ignition switch sounds shot (but it could be an interlock too).
>> Honda recalled about a billion of them a few years later, and a friend
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Nope, That would be a VW scenario, but I've owned five Hondas in that
production range. Still have three of them.
'Curly'
Benemsdeals@gmail.com - 19 Oct 2007 21:32 GMT
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> production range. Still have three of them.
> 'Curly'
Found the problem.  There is a wire that activates the coil of the
solenoid that runs between the solenoid and the starter.  It was
grounding out  occasionally and not letting the coil energize so there
was no click.  It was just barely touching and when it cooled it did
not create a ground and it worked.  Thank you Jim for telling me to
check the starter to see if it was getting proper voltage when
starting.
 
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