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Car Forum / Acura Cars / January 20052004 Acura TL Vs. 2004 Infinity G35 Sedan
Hi all: It is almost the time to turn in my beloved 2000 Acura Integra GS-R. That said, I am in the market for a new car. I had a few choices that have been discarded such as: BMW 325i, Audi A4 1.8T, and the Nissan Maxima. Now I am really torn between the the TL and the G35. I have driven both cars and that only made it harder for me. I now that both cars have similarities and differences, but I wanted to get opinions from both sides. Please advise. Sonoman > Hi all: > It is almost the time to turn in my beloved 2000 Acura Integra GS-R. That [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > only made it harder for me. I now that both cars have similarities and > differences, but I wanted to get opinions from both sides. Please advise. Do you need 4 doors or a large trunk? If not, check out the G35 coupe, which is like a Datsun 350Z, but with a slightly longer wheelbase to permit a tight but usable back seat and a trunk (instead of hatchback), Infiniti luxury features, and Infiniti dealer service. A lot of car for the money.  SignatureJohn Varela (Trade "OLD" lamps for "NEW" for email.) I apologize for munging the address but the spam is too much. Thanks for the response. The G35 Coupe would have been my first choice hands down. I did not want to go into boring details, but this car is actually for my wife and she wants a four door. The G35 Coupe is definitely on MY list. > > Hi all: > > It is almost the time to turn in my beloved 2000 Acura Integra GS-R. That [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > but usable back seat and a trunk (instead of hatchback), Infiniti luxury > features, and Infiniti dealer service. A lot of car for the money. Infiniti=Nissan Drive a 330i and then make your decision... >>Hi all: >>It is almost the time to turn in my beloved 2000 Acura Integra GS-R. That [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > but usable back seat and a trunk (instead of hatchback), Infiniti luxury > features, and Infiniti dealer service. A lot of car for the money. 330i is very nice, and it also costs more than I would like to pay. And I now that the base peice is kind of comparable to my other choices, but I am not going for fake leather. > Infiniti=Nissan > Drive a 330i and then make your decision... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > but usable back seat and a trunk (instead of hatchback), Infiniti luxury > > features, and Infiniti dealer service. A lot of car for the money. > Infiniti=Nissan > Drive a 330i and then make your decision... When I price out a 330i with the same level of trim as my TL the MSRP is a good $12k higher than my TL. So while it may be a better car, it ought to if it costs 30% more. For me, the argument is moot. It's not any more in my price range than a Ferrari or Porsche, so whether it is better is beside the point. Now, if you're comparing a stripped down 330i you're in the same ballpark price-wise, though the BMW still costs more and that's without leather, moon roof, premium audio, heated seats, xenons, etc. If you're strictly looking for the best performance vehicle, get a stripped 330i, certainly. I wanted some of the extras like the moonroof and premium audio which is why I went with the TL. Sure wish I could have gotten it with cloth seats, though. >Sure wish I could have gotten it with cloth seats, though. What makes you say that? >>Sure wish I could have gotten it with cloth seats, though. > > What makes you say that? Because I prefer cloth seats. I think they are warmer in the winter and cooler in the summer. Plus they grip better. And generally, they are cheaper. It's a win all the way around. European BMWs can be purchased with cloth seats, and I've heard you can special order them that way in the US if you work hard at it (ie: there's a code for them that's not in the computer but which can be used to get the desired results if you talk to the right person). That may just be a rumor; I don't have direct proof that it is possible. > >>Sure wish I could have gotten it with cloth seats, though. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > to get the desired results if you talk to the right person). That may > just be a rumor; I don't have direct proof that it is possible. Cloth seats are the way to go, its a shame that we can't get them in any of these cars. One of the reasons I bought an RSX.. I like the cloth seats better too, too bad if you want cloth seats in Canada, you have to go with a base model Acura and then you loose too many other goodies. I find it that leather requires all that maintenance (oiling and such) but with cloth, I never had to do anything as long as you don't spill drinks in there, you are all fine, keep in mind I have no kids, so for a family the opposite must be true, with leather just wipe it off and you are good to go. My two cents, anyway. Tony > > >>Sure wish I could have gotten it with cloth seats, though. > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Cloth seats are the way to go, its a shame that we can't get them in any > of these cars. One of the reasons I bought an RSX.. its sort of a give/take with leather and cloth. pros for leather -durable -form fitting -breathable -odor resistant -stain resistant(darker colors) cons -maintenance(some use vinyl also which is easy to take care of) -temperature control(too cold/too hot) -wear(if not treated) -secure seating(with crap leather) pros for cloth(most are acrylic now) -cheaper -stays temperate -snug seating cons -wear(not reversible) -retains odor/stains -not as breathable(especially when hot) -get it wet and pay the price i agree that cloth is nice for some situations but in the long term good leather is better. > I like the cloth seats better too, too bad if you want cloth seats in > Canada, you have to go with a base model Acura and then you loose too many [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Cloth seats are the way to go, its a shame that we can't get them in any > > of these cars. One of the reasons I bought an RSX.. You guys should look at Subaru as well... unique but a quality product. > its sort of a give/take with leather and cloth. > pros for leather [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > > Cloth seats are the way to go, its a shame that we can't get them in any > > > of these cars. One of the reasons I bought an RSX.. > Because I prefer cloth seats. I think they are warmer in the winter and > cooler in the summer. Plus they grip better. And generally, they are > cheaper. It's a win all the way around. And they stain easier. And they trap hairs and such easier and are a PITA to keep clean. (for those of us with dogs) I had leather, then cloth (and hated it) and am back to leather and will _NEVER_ go back to cloth. It's just too easy to wipe a spill away and be done with it. Or just vaccuum up the doghair. > Now, if you're comparing a stripped down 330i you're in the same > ballpark price-wise, though the BMW still costs more and that's without > leather, moon roof, premium audio, heated seats, xenons, etc. Good point. You would have to look at a 325i to get close to the cost of a loaded G35. > Hi all: > It is almost the time to turn in my beloved 2000 Acura Integra GS-R. That [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > only made it harder for me. I now that both cars have similarities and > differences, but I wanted to get opinions from both sides. Please advise. I had about a 3 hour solo test drive in the G35. I liked the power and the RWD, but thought the interior was ugly. I found the interior seats uncomfortable (seat belt latch dug in to my thigh). I also found the shifter to be a bit balky. So for me it was a no brainer: nice engine mated to RWD but styling I just couldn't live with. Too bad, because the dealer was falling all over themselves trying to sell me the car by throwing in big discounts and extras. When I sat in the TL it fit me perfectly. It was love at first sight. I love the 6 speed shifter and clutch, and the engine has plenty of power. I think the interior styling is the best in the $30-50k price range but I like things a bit more toward sporty and a little less toward luxury. I flip-flop on the exterior styling though. I like the exterior but think it will probably look dated in a couple of years. It's not what I would call a classic or timeless design. I really like the DVD-A and the XM radio and many of the other interior touches that I never thought I would like or would choose to pay for. The only thing I don't like is that the car is FWD, but even that comes with caveats because I believe that FWD is, arguably, safer in rain and snow (though come to think of it, I don't live in a rainy/snowy place). If the car came in RWD or AWD I'd eagerly pay another $10k for the car. In terms of value I personally think you get a bit more with the TL than the G35, but that's subjective. They are both nice cars with a slightly different emphasis. As far as what you'll pay, I doubt you'll get any discount at all on a new TL and may even have to get on a waiting list to get the one you want. My impression from the Infinity dealership was they had plenty to pick from. I paid MSRP for my TL but feel I got more for my money than I would have with the heavily discounted G35. Sadly, I pretty much needed to purchase a car when I did so I didn't have the luxury of waiting a few months for the hype to die down or I might have gotten a slightly better deal. I've heard, though, that traditionally Acura dealers don't deal as much as some other brands. I haven't for one second regretted my decision. The TL is a great car. > Hi all: > It is almost the time to turn in my beloved 2000 Acura Integra GS-R. That [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > only made it harder for me. I now that both cars have similarities and > differences, but I wanted to get opinions from both sides. Please advise. Great article in car & driver March issue about the very automobiles you're considering. Guess which was the favorite? G35.... Yep, I read it. Torque steer anyone? > > Hi all: > > It is almost the time to turn in my beloved 2000 Acura Integra GS-R. That [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Great article in car & driver March issue about the very automobiles > you're considering. Guess which was the favorite? G35.... "Torque steer" is an attribute of powerful, front-drive cars. The G35 is rear-drive. Do you mean over steer? > Yep, I read it. Torque steer anyone? snip >>Great article in car & driver March issue about the very automobiles >>you're considering. Guess which was the favorite? G35.... That was a big flaw on the TL. Did you read the article? > "Torque steer" is an attribute of powerful, front-drive cars. > The G35 is rear-drive. Do you mean over steer? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >>Great article in car & driver March issue about the very automobiles > >>you're considering. Guess which was the favorite? G35.... I thought you were attributing torque steer to the G35. Now it sounds like you are talking about the TL. I drive a 2004 TL 6MT, and like the car very much, but I do think it is about at the limit of usability for power in a front drive car. My previous car was a 96 BMW 328i; lower horsepower, but plenty of torque available for everyday conditions, and more easily controlled (speaking only for myself, of course). > That was a big flaw on the TL. Did you read the article? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>>>Great article in car & driver March issue about the very automobiles >>>>you're considering. Guess which was the favorite? G35.... > I thought you were attributing torque steer to the G35. Now > it sounds like you are talking about the TL. > > I drive a 2004 TL 6MT, and like the car very much, but I do > think it is about at the limit of usability for power in a > front drive car. I had a font-wheel-drive 1985 Honda Prelude 2.0 Si, and I could spin the front wheels at will on dry pavement. That wasn't a high powered car compared to what's being built today. SignatureJohn Varela (Trade "OLD" lamps for "NEW" for email.) I apologize for munging the address but the spam is too much. Also check out the new Consumer Reports. The TL rated first. Don't worry about torque steer. Who actually drives a car that hard? I typically don't experience torque steer on the way to the supermarket. > > Hi all: > > It is almost the time to turn in my beloved 2000 Acura Integra GS-R. That [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Great article in car & driver March issue about the very automobiles > you're considering. Guess which was the favorite? G35.... It depends on what features you're really interested in... If you want performance, handling and more driver involvement, go for the Infiniti. If you want comfort and technology and front-wheel drive, definitely go for the TL. > Hi all: > It is almost the time to turn in my beloved 2000 Acura Integra GS-R. That [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sonoman Coming from a young-yet-mature ambitious kid... I have an 02 Accord EX V6 and I've been comparing the following cars.. Caddy CTS G35 Coupe G35 Sedan BMW 330i Volvo S60 T6 Acura TL All I gotta say is the G35s are nearly identical to my Accord from the inside. The coupe, which possesses more power and potentially better driving action, has NO storage space, and it's a cramped, low 2-door.. yeah been there. The CTS has awesome luxury features and great computerized stability too, it's a little heavier and less powerful than the rest, and some would even venture to call it ugly. The BMW is great, but WAY too expensive. You're paying for the name. I'm not that vain. The Volvo is great, but it's boring from the inside. Talk about uninspired. Then we come to the Acura. Amazing interior. Understated - sporty YET elegant - exterior. Too many features to remember. I think the only thing people have against it is FWD. This is a car I'd be proud to ride up in and pick up my friends or something. At the same time, I'll knock the socks off of any date. My TL will be ready for me in 6 weeks. > Hi all: > It is almost the time to turn in my beloved 2000 Acura Integra GS-R. That [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sonoman > Coming from a young-yet-mature ambitious kid... > I have an 02 Accord EX V6 and I've been comparing the following cars.. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > action, has NO storage space, and it's a cramped, low 2-door.. yeah been > there. You're comparing an Accord to a G35? maybe I should rephrase I *have* an Accord I am looking for a new car, and thus I am comparing all those cars against eachother. Am I cool now? > > Coming from a young-yet-mature ambitious kid... > > I have an 02 Accord EX V6 and I've been comparing the following cars.. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > You're comparing an Accord to a G35? First of all I will like to thank you all for the input. I went ahead and I bought the TL for my wife. Navigation was imposible to get here in Miami, or South Florida for that matter. There was a 90 day wait for a TL with Nav. So I purchased an Alpine Navigation system for it. That said, when my my turn for a new car comes in July I will get the G35 for myself. Now my heart is split between the Sedan 4WD and the Coupe. But so far I think the Coupe will be the winner. Unless something happens between now and then that will make me able to dish out the 55k+ for a BMW M3. But then again, a G35 Coupe "with a nice aftermarket turbo" may cure the M3 blues. > maybe I should rephrase > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > > You're comparing an Accord to a G35? On 2/8/04 2:07 PM, in article yGwVb.22694$HU2.20755@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com, "Andrew/Hal" <halarkin@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > maybe I should rephrase > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> You're comparing an Accord to a G35? If you are already looking to dump an '02 Honda for a new car, why even look at Honda/Acura? damn guys.. never seen ya jump over someone like this.. I'm touched I layed out all that I was looking into, and gave you my reasons for picking the TL.. hello... > On 2/8/04 2:07 PM, in article > yGwVb.22694$HU2.20755@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com, "Andrew/Hal" [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > If you are already looking to dump an '02 Honda for a new car, why even look > at Honda/Acura? > damn guys.. never seen ya jump over someone like this.. I'm touched > > I layed out all that I was looking into, and gave you my reasons for picking > the TL.. > hello... [snip] Don't blame you for felling a little abused. Sometimes folks get carried away, and tend to pile on, over quite minor variances in opinions. It is interesting how nasty someone will be in an USENET posting, saying things, and in a manner, that they never would dream of doing in person. Anonimity emboldens, I guess. I've read stuff that would have gotten the "speaker" smacked down into the dirt if said to a fellow human being standing next to them. By the way, your grouping of cars that you're considering seems entirely reasonable for the most part, and in many ways similar to the type of decisions I'll be faced with soon. How about an Audi A4 Avant, TSX, or (shudder) a Mazda 6? Certainly a wide disparity amongst the range of vehicles ... in price. Performance-wise, not so wide. And, echoing your comments about the BMW, there's a lot of "perceived value" in most of the marks under discussion in this thread. SignatureRick K > maybe I should rephrase > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Am I cool now? As Motor Trend so elegently put it: "The TL is the Ultimate Accord". Those of us who want to impress _AND_ have the better driving experience get the G. >>maybe I should rephrase >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Those of us who want to impress _AND_ have the better driving experience > get the G. Before buying my 04 TL I considered the G35. There's no doubt in my mind that the G35 has better vehicle dynamics. I just couldn't get past the excessive use of shiny, hard plastic in the interior. Do I weigh interior finish more heavily than how a car handles? No, but there is a limit. I'll be very interested to see how the rumors of a face lift to the G35 interior pan out. --Mike Scheer > The BMW is great, but WAY too expensive. You're paying for the name. > I'm not that vain. <snip> > This is a car I'd be proud to ride up in and pick up my friends or something. > At the same time, I'll knock the socks off of any date. > > My TL will be ready for me in 6 weeks. And you're NOT vain?? <g> i'm vain... not $5000-for-a-name-and-less-horsepower vain though > > The BMW is great, but WAY too expensive. You're paying for the name. > > I'm not that vain. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > And you're NOT vain?? <g> > Hi all: > It is almost the time to turn in my beloved 2000 Acura Integra GS-R. That [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > only made it harder for me. I now that both cars have similarities and > differences, but I wanted to get opinions from both sides. Please advise. The March issue of _Car and Driver_ features a head-to-head comparison of sports sedans under $35K. And the winner is: Infiniti G35, followed by BMW 325i (330i didn't make the price cut), Acura TL, and then the others. SignatureJohn Varela (Trade "OLD" lamps for "NEW" for email.) I apologize for munging the address but the spam is too much. I know, I know, I know. But the TL is prettier... :) > > Hi all: > > It is almost the time to turn in my beloved 2000 Acura Integra GS-R. That [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > sports sedans under $35K. And the winner is: Infiniti G35, followed by BMW > 325i (330i didn't make the price cut), Acura TL, and then the others. "John Varela" <OLDlamps@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:ZKRm3c4Ddl7U-pn2-2LQ5VYEKpBtO@dialup-171.75.32.248.Dial1.Washington1.Le vel3.net... > The March issue of _Car and Driver_ features a head-to-head comparison of > sports sedans under $35K. And the winner is: Infiniti G35, followed by BMW > 325i (330i didn't make the price cut), Acura TL, and then the others. Well, the 325ix was disappointing - the G35 is not my style. The TL wins. that article was so biased toward the G. the features weren't the same as the TL. plus they almost disregarded all the cons of the G to give it 1st. its true if you want the performance, the G wins. if you want more luxury, the 3 wins. if you want the best blend of both... TL...all for less. > > Hi all: > > It is almost the time to turn in my beloved 2000 Acura Integra GS-R. That [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > sports sedans under $35K. And the winner is: Infiniti G35, followed by BMW > 325i (330i didn't make the price cut), Acura TL, and then the others. > Hi all: > It is almost the time to turn in my beloved 2000 Acura Integra GS-R. That [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sonoman My decision came down to the G35x AWD and the TL. After driving the G35 for about 20-30 minutes my right leg was in pain, which is a problem that has been noted by lots of folks on g35driver.com. I also wasn't impressed with the interior, especially the day-glo orange gauges. However, I thought the car was a blast to drive even though the seat hurt and was cramped. I was blown away by the TL interior, as well as the car's performance which to me was on-par with the G35. Given that most of my driving is a 15 mile commute to work in traffic it was more important to me to be comfortable, even if I have to put up with torque steer. I ended up choosing the TL auto/Nav and I couldn't be happier. >> Hi all: >> It is almost the time to turn in my beloved 2000 Acura Integra GS-R. That [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >I ended up choosing the TL auto/Nav and I couldn't be happier. You should have tried the Audi A4q. I tried the G35 and the TSX and both wilted compared to the A4. The TL has too much hp for the front wheels and no split rear seat, no AWD and so on. And the fit and finish of the Audi is way ahead of the Japanese and will be for 10 years or more. Actually, isn't AWD available on the TL now? (the automatic anyway) |
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