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What's That Whir Sound I Hear in My Integra ... ?
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Integra LS - 06 Mar 2004 19:34 GMT Good Afternoon everyone,
I have a 98 Acura Integra LS w/ Automatic tranny has 75K on it. When ever I start my car be it a cold start or just restarting as I turn left to pull out to the road I hear a small whirring sound. Any ideas what it could be ? Lately, my milage performance has been pathetic,but that could be due to my driving style. The whir happens everytime I put the car in the DRIVE and pull away and then "whir" for a second and then it stops no more sound for the rest of the drive. Any information anyone could provide would be awesome with this.
Also, unrelated my brakes have been making a grinding noise when I brake lately and my stopping has been mediocre at best. Clues on that as well ?
mike - 06 Mar 2004 22:35 GMT the "whir" could be from the ABS pump? I hear it alot too (94 GSR).
> Good Afternoon everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > brake lately and my stopping has been mediocre at best. Clues on that > as well ? IceCube - 07 Mar 2004 05:07 GMT I had that as well on my 1991. However, it quickly goes away? If it sounds like a relatively loud squitch-whir it is the pump.
> the "whir" could be from the ABS pump? I hear it alot too (94 GSR). > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > brake lately and my stopping has been mediocre at best. Clues on that > > as well ? Jim Yanik - 07 Mar 2004 03:20 GMT > Good Afternoon everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > brake lately and my stopping has been mediocre at best. Clues on that > as well ? When's the last time you had the brake linings checked? You can look yourself,a Haynes or other service manual has thickness specs. You could also have a stuck/sticking caliper,if the wear is uneven between both pads on either side of the rotor. Best check them out,brakes are IMPORTANT!
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'Curly Q. Links' - 07 Mar 2004 03:51 GMT > Good Afternoon everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > brake lately and my stopping has been mediocre at best. Clues on that > as well ? =============== The manual describes the noise, but you should read up on it to determine of it's out of the ordinary. Have you tested your dash lamps to be sure they are working?
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Barry S. - 07 Mar 2004 06:49 GMT >> Good Afternoon everyone, >> >> I have a 98 Acura Integra LS w/ Automatic tranny has 75K on it. When >> ever I start my car be it a cold start or just restarting as I turn >> left to pull out to the road I hear a small whirring sound. Any ideas >> what it could be ? Lately, my milage performance has been pathetic,but ABS modulator.. If it stays on long enough you should see an ABS light. It would sound like a semi-loud buzzing from the passenger side engine compartment..Could also be air in the system.
>> that could be due to my driving style. The whir happens everytime I >> put the car in the DRIVE and pull away and then "whir" for a second >> and then it stops no more sound for the rest of the drive. Any >> information anyone could provide would be awesome with this. Well, when the car starts up, the modulator pumps up pressure. The sound is normal.
>> Also, unrelated my brakes have been making a grinding noise when I >> brake lately and my stopping has been mediocre at best. Clues on that >> as well ? You need to have your brakes inspected immediately.
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Lex - 07 Mar 2004 05:51 GMT could be the poser steering pump or rack
> Good Afternoon everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > brake lately and my stopping has been mediocre at best. Clues on that > as well ? George Macdonald - 07 Mar 2004 10:41 GMT >Good Afternoon everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >and then it stops no more sound for the rest of the drive. Any >information anyone could provide would be awesome with this. It's the ABS pump - every time you start the engine, it'll activate to pressurize the modulator chambers when your speed gets to 6kph. It should last only a second or less unless your ABS system has a problem. You'll also hear it every time the ABS activates, for a longer time, depending on how long your in a skid condition.
>Also, unrelated my brakes have been making a grinding noise when I >brake lately and my stopping has been mediocre at best. Clues on that >as well ? Check the rotors for scoring, corrosion or wear. A grinding noise is normal for the first few applications after being parked in wet/humid weather. If there is a lip of corrosion around the edge of the rotor (usual), the grinding can last longer, i.e. more applications. You can try taking that lip of corrosion off with a Dremel tool to see how much actual wear of the rotor there is, meaning how big the lip really is on the metal.
I'll add here that the rear rotors on my '99 Integra GS corroded very badly, first noticed at <20K miles and it got worse with time. Eventually they became crusty and very badly scored, with only a few streaks of polished surface area from the pads. At ~40K miles, I recently replaced them with Brembo OE rotors and discovered that they had been the source of my "warped rotor" syndrome - surprising, since I'd assumed I had bad front rotors.
Rgds, George Macdonald
"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
Integra LS - 07 Mar 2004 17:07 GMT Good work guys. The summary of the information each of you provide would explain why my brakes have had frequent changings. From what you've shared with me I'd like to ask several other questions on how to remedy the problem.
1. Jim Yanik Brake linings... ? I'm not familiar with these and what would need to be done with them ? Would the mechanic be able to do this without too much trouble ?
2. Curly Q Links Would you recommend having my braking fluid flushed to remove any air that maybe in the system ?
3. Lex You said could be the poser steering pump or rack. What could be done about that or how can I check if it is that @ all? My handling has been sloppier lately,but I assumed from the brakes ? Any ideas on prices for parts and labor on a job like this ? It's already going to be a pretty penny for this brake job I seem looming on the verizon...
4. George MacDonald I like your suggestion of the Brembo OEM Pads. What's a worst case scenario on a braking job (rotors,pads,calipers,etc) ? I'm honestly assuming the rotors themselves will need replacement all around. The back ones are definitely gone from your information you've given. How much would a job hourly wise be for replacing all the rotors and brake pads on my 98 Integra LS be ? I figure I'll buy those Brembo products you recommended and provide them to the mechanic to put on. Any other products you would recommend. Thanks for your help on this.
Thanks again all for your help with this. You've all been extremely helpful. Now if anyone can help me get my milage to where it was when I first got this car I would be in heaven. Would valve adjustments help this out ? So that'll be my next question after this brake job has been done. How do I get my throttle response and gas mileage better to when I first got my car. Many Thanks !
> >Good Afternoon everyone, > > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? Jim Yanik - 07 Mar 2004 17:46 GMT > Good work guys. The summary of the information each of you provide > would explain why my brakes have had frequent changings. From what [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > be done with them ? Would the mechanic be able to do this without too > much trouble ? Disc brake pads are easy to replace,any mechanic should be able to do it.If your rotors are too deeply grooved,you may need to replace the rotors,too. Rotors 'can' be lathe-turned to smooth them,BUT only once,then the rotor is too thin to be legally turned again,and some on this NG would rather just replace the rotors. The Haynes or other service manual will have the procedure for changing brake pads.
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Kevin Sargent - 08 Mar 2004 04:18 GMT > Thanks again all for your help with this. You've all been extremely > helpful. Now if anyone can help me get my milage to where it was when > I first got this car I would be in heaven. Would valve adjustments > help this out ? So that'll be my next question after this brake job > has been done. How do I get my throttle response and gas mileage > better to when I first got my car. Many Thanks ! You didn't mention how long you've had the car or the maintenance that has been done on it thus far, but if you have noticed a decrease in gas mileage while other factors remained the same (i.e. same driving style, same season (temperature), same gas type/brand, etc...) then it may be in need of some basic maintenance.
First and foremote, make sure your tires are properly inflated - ideal pressures are listed on driver door jamb. After that, do the other low-cost maintenance stuff including inspection/replacement of air filter, spark plugs and wires (if needed). Another piece to check is the PCV valve, the small plug on the valve cover. Pull it out and give it a shake - if you don't hear a free rattle then it's due to be replaced (also a cheap part). You may want to try a bottle of that fuel injector cleaner stuff in a tank of gas; it's debatable how much (if any) these products actually help, but they can't hurt and they're also cheap ($2?).
Each of these factors may cause a small impact on fuel efficiency, which may add up over time if neglected. See your owner's manual for recommended intervals. I'm neurotic about doing all the basic maintenance on my 96 Integra LS with 140K miles; I still get the rated MPG.
Once all this easy stuff is done, then you may want to look into more in-depth (i.e. expensive) work like valve adjustments.
And BTW - as everyone else pointed out, that 'whirring sound' definitely seems like it's the ABS pump. I hear the same thing on my 96 Integra every time I start it up (or activate the ABS), which actually brings me to another suggestion - if you want to know for sure if it's the ABS, find a parking lot with a nice sandy patch and lock up the brakes to engage the ABS and then listen.... is that the same sound you heard? If so, then you've confirmed what it is... ;-)
Good luck!
Kevin Sargent 96 Integra LS
'Curly Q. Links' - 08 Mar 2004 05:49 GMT > 2. Curly Q Links > Would you recommend having my braking fluid flushed to remove any air > that maybe in the system ? ==============
The manual tells you how often to change the brake fluid. It absorbs water over time, and water will rust the inside of the lines, calipers, and the rust can eat out your sealing surfaces of the pistons. Water can't take presurization the way brake fluid can, and can apparently boil at an innapropriate time. Air is also in there, and it will all be purged with a flush-n-fill of the brakes.
If your Integra had a standard transmission, I'd have reminded you to have the clutch hydraulics drained too.
Regarding bad fuel mileage... Your PCV valve probably hasn't been changed since you've had it. See the owner's manual for the interval. If you're taking the car in anyhow, just get it done (or do it yourself). :-)
'Curly'
George Macdonald - 08 Mar 2004 09:22 GMT >4. George MacDonald >I like your suggestion of the Brembo OEM Pads. What's a worst case [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >you recommended and provide them to the mechanic to put on. Any other >products you would recommend. Thanks for your help on this. I said Brembo OE rotors, which I know about. I used Acura/Honda pads with the new rotors so can't comment on the Brembo pads. Take a look here http://www.importrp.com/ for good prices on rotors and figure which pads you might want, if not Acura/Honda. I'd figure a good mechanic, working carefully and doing the job carefully - lots of clean-up - should take about an hour per wheel for rotors and pads change. If your front rotors look OK, I wouldn't change them.
IMO there was something about the rear rotors fitted to my '99 which indicated inferior metal alloy - they corroded at an alarming rate... which is why I decided I wouldn't risk the same again with the Acura/Honda parts. The hub plates on my car also had rust deposit build-up, around the two holes in them, from the corroding rotors which was, I believe, the cause of the warped rotor syndrome. Those rotors were real crap material.
>Thanks again all for your help with this. You've all been extremely >helpful. Now if anyone can help me get my milage to where it was when >I first got this car I would be in heaven. Would valve adjustments >help this out ? So that'll be my next question after this brake job >has been done. How do I get my throttle response and gas mileage >better to when I first got my car. Many Thanks ! Are the valves noisy when the engine is warmed up? A good check for whether valve adjustment is needed: in a low gear, say 2nd, let the car coast on just slight deceleration; now gently take up the drive to just gentle acceleration. If you get any sign of chugging, instead of a smooth transition, it's a good chance you have some valves which are out of adjustment. I'd also check the ignition timing as a possible cause of performance/fuel consumption problems. Also, are you sure your engine is getting up to full operating temp?
Rgds, George Macdonald
"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
MZ - 08 Mar 2004 01:16 GMT Shouldn't the ABS "idiot light" signal a problem?
> >Good Afternoon everyone, > > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? 'Curly Q. Links' - 08 Mar 2004 03:22 GMT > Shouldn't the ABS "idiot light" signal a problem? ==================
I suggested he should read the fine manual, and that he should test the dash lamps to make sure they are indicating correctly.
'Curly'
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George Macdonald - 08 Mar 2004 10:56 GMT >Shouldn't the ABS "idiot light" signal a problem? For what? The brief burp at 6kph is normal. If it runs too long, it has to run for something like 20secs before the idiot light comes on and shuts the system off.
Rgds, George Macdonald
"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
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