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Car Forum / Alfa Romeo Cars / May 2004JTD 1.9 16v vs 2.4
Changes in job mean I will double my mileage so a 156 V6 may prove too costly. If the figures stack up I may need to consider trading in for a JTD at some stage in the future. The 175 bhp 2.4 looks quite appealling, especially as the 5 cylinder at least makes an interesting noise. How does the 1.9 16v 140bhp compare? How does it sound and perform? Also what real world fuel economies are JTD drivers getting bearing in mind I will now be doing a lot of motorway miles. The V6 gets into the low thirties on a motorway run, low twenties every where else. I'm still rather old fashioned when it comes to diesels, clattery things that run out of revs half way round the rev counter... Cheers Tony >Changes in job mean I will double my mileage so a 156 V6 may prove too >costly. If the figures stack up I may need to consider trading in for a JTD [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Cheers >Tony Commiserations Tony. I only had the 1.9 for one day. I was appalled. Both the interior and the drive. Diesel engines are great for pumping mines. <G> Pete  Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his) 147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (her's) > Changes in job mean I will double my mileage so a 156 V6 may prove too > costly. If the figures stack up I may need to consider trading in for a JTD [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I'm still rather old fashioned when it comes to diesels, clattery things > that run out of revs half way round the rev counter... You want an 'old skool' 8v Twinspark, you do. Amazingly economical for the size and performance. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - Alfa 155 TS Lusso - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # > You want an 'old skool' 8v Twinspark, you do. Amazingly economical for > the size and performance. On reflection the whole idea looks crazy. Having done some digging with glasses guide the depreciation hit on my V6 would buy enough fuel to power a space shuttle... I can visualise Clarkson making comments right now! It just irks that driving for work I'll be losing money but that was my call. They would have given me a Vectra diesel but no I had to opt out and get my beloved Alfa V6. I can hardly appeal for sympathy :) >> You want an 'old skool' 8v Twinspark, you do. Amazingly economical for >> the size and performance. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >call. They would have given me a Vectra diesel but no I had to opt out and >get my beloved Alfa V6. I can hardly appeal for sympathy :) That sounds like a good call to me :-) I know you say that it will be mostly M-way, but every junction, roundabout, or A road, will remind you why you burn petrol. Pete Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his) 147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (her's) >Changes in job mean I will double my mileage so a 156 V6 may prove too >costly. If the figures stack up I may need to consider trading in for a JTD >at some stage in the future. The 175 bhp 2.4 looks quite appealling, >especially as the 5 cylinder at least makes an interesting noise. In 'real world' driving I suspect this motor wouldn't be that far behind a V6. >How does the 1.9 16v 140bhp compare? How does it sound and perform? > >Also what real world fuel economies are JTD drivers getting bearing in mind >I will now be doing a lot of motorway miles. The V6 gets into the low >thirties on a motorway run, low twenties every where else. I'm never below 40mpg per tank..I drive enthusiastically and mostly urban so on a motorway, I'd expect a fair bit more. 500 miles per tank for me. >I'm still rather old fashioned when it comes to diesels, clattery things >that run out of revs half way round the rev counter... Bollocks! The rev counter is re-calibrated!! ;-) Ok, the JTD isn't the quietest motor out there but I prefer it's effortless, grunty roar to the inaudible whine of a JTS any day. In any case, you will not hear it at motorway speeds. SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) > >Changes in job mean I will double my mileage so a 156 V6 may prove too > >costly. If the figures stack up I may need to consider trading in for a JTD [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > In 'real world' driving I suspect this motor wouldn't be that far > behind a V6. True. I read a report on the 147 JTD which had little trouble keeping up with a 147 GTA except on the really long straight bits. It certainly has more torque > >I'm still rather old fashioned when it comes to diesels, clattery things > >that run out of revs half way round the rev counter... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the inaudible whine of a JTS any day. In any case, you will not hear > it at motorway speeds. I'll rephrase it then - the rev counter seems to be missing some digits :) Grunty roar is good. I like to hear engines (that sound good) so being quiet is not the criteria. True I don't want a racket on the motorway, but when I put my foot down on the other roads I like to hear something purposeful. >> >Changes in job mean I will double my mileage so a 156 V6 may prove too >> >costly. If the figures stack up I may need to consider trading in for a [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >when I put my foot down on the other roads I like to hear something >purposeful. Heh..there's quite a difference in sound between the summer and winter. In the summer when the engine is hot, I think it's too quiet when you boot it. In the winter, it doesn't seem to go as quiet when it's warm so it sounds more purposeful on boot. Sadly, it's a lot more rackety when pootling about in the winter until it's warmed up. All part of the character. SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) > >Changes in job mean I will double my mileage so a 156 V6 may prove too > >costly. If the figures stack up I may need to consider trading in for a JTD [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > In 'real world' driving I suspect this motor wouldn't be that far > behind a V6. I should have read this before my other post but anyway.... I just had a drive of the new 156 at Lisles in Hitchin (very friendly). Absolutely stunning performance and drivability from the 2.4, shame that the handling wasn't quite as taught as it could have been. Surprisingly the X-type sport felt much sharper, but lost out badly on the power front. PyroJames Ex Lancia Beta 1800, driver. >> >Changes in job mean I will double my mileage so a 156 V6 may prove too >> >costly. If the figures stack up I may need to consider trading in for a JTD [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >2.4, shame that the handling wasn't quite as taught as it could have >been. That's why I went for the sports lowered suspension! It's great! <snip> SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) > Changes in job mean I will double my mileage so a 156 V6 may prove too > costly. If the figures stack up I may need to consider trading in for a JTD > at some stage in the future. The 175 bhp 2.4 looks quite appealling, > especially as the 5 cylinder at least makes an interesting noise. > > How does the 1.9 16v 140bhp compare? How does it sound and perform? Well I had the chance to drive the new 2.0 JTS and the 1.9 JTD 16v a year ago. Although the JTS looks good on paper, I find it a pretty boring car to drive with, in comparision with the new diesels. For a diesel, the 16v sounds pretty good. I haven't had the chance to test drive a 2.4 JTD 20v yet. But reviews of it are positive. They even compare the engine with BMW's superb 3.0d (although I'm not a fan of the brand). I can't tell you how those engines compare to the 2.5 V6, the 20v will come very close I suspect! Just go on a test drive, and convince yourself :-) F. > Cheers > Tony > Also what real world fuel economies are JTD drivers getting bearing in mind > I will now be doing a lot of motorway miles. The V6 gets into the low > thirties on a motorway run, low twenties every where else. My father has the 2.4 JTD - 150bhp version (Euro III). They were all the same engines I think, just a different ECU map to attract company car drives with lower CO2 tax bands. He gets 600 miles with a full 60 litre full tank. That is with the Climate Control always on and about 80% motorway, 20% fast urban (moving, not idle much). > I'm still rather old fashioned when it comes to diesels, clattery things > that run out of revs half way round the rev counter... You can tell it's a diesel on idle, but the huge amount of torque makes it so practical to drive. For someone who does a lot of motorway miles it makes sense. HTH, T. |
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