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Paul Woodsford - 27 Jul 2004 15:06 GMT

I'm fitting an electronic reversing aid that needs to be connected to the
reversing lamp electrical feed.
Alfa 147 1.6TS UK spec. The reversing lamp is in the hatch and the wiring
loom passes from the hatch to the car at the roof :-
Q1. Anyone know the colour code for the reversing lamp electrical feed?

Q2. Does the hatch wiring loom pass along the roof of the passenger
compartment or the floor?

Q3. Where is the best place to access the wiring loom to patch into the
reversing light feed?

Any advice or help much appreciated.

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Catman - 27 Jul 2004 17:17 GMT

> I'm fitting an electronic reversing aid that needs to be connected to the
> reversing lamp electrical feed.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Any advice or help much appreciated.

Can you remove the reversing light from the 'gate? That should tell you
the colour.

You might be advised to lift the carpet as well. You may find the loom
accessible there. Then all you need is a couple of scotchlock connectors.

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SteveH - 27 Jul 2004 19:31 GMT

> I'm fitting an electronic reversing aid that needs to be connected to the
> reversing lamp electrical feed.
> Alfa 147 1.6TS UK spec.

Not wanting to be seen to be taking the piss or anything, but why the
hell would anyone need a reversing aid on a 147? - on a 166 I could
understand it, maybe even on a 156, but it doesn't make sense to me on a
small hatch.

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dom - 27 Jul 2004 20:12 GMT

>> I'm fitting an electronic reversing aid that needs to be connected to the
>> reversing lamp electrical feed.
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>understand it, maybe even on a 156, but it doesn't make sense to me on a
>small hatch.

My last car was a small hatch, Fiat Cinquecento. That didn't need
a reversing aid.
The 147... more a medium size hatch, surely? Perhaps my x-ray vision
isn't what it should be... but it does need a reversing aid.

If mine didn't already have one, I think it would have done very soon.

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SteveH - 27 Jul 2004 20:35 GMT

> >> I'm fitting an electronic reversing aid that needs to be connected to the
> >> reversing lamp electrical feed.
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>
> My last car was a small hatch, Fiat Cinquecento.

Heh. Another ex-Cinq Alfa owner :-)

> That didn't need
> a reversing aid.
> The 147... more a medium size hatch, surely?

Suppose it is, really, but it's got a very 'flat' rear - I only ever
struggle with parking when I've got a fsck off big boot stuck out the
back - but even then, I haven't hit anything yet, and I can squeeze the
75 into impossibly small spaces.

To be honest, the only time I really needed reversing sensors was
parallel parking a Transit.

> Perhaps my x-ray vision
> isn't what it should be... but it does need a reversing aid.
>
> If mine didn't already have one, I think it would have done very soon.

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dom - 27 Jul 2004 20:45 GMT

>> My last car was a small hatch, Fiat Cinquecento.
>
>Heh. Another ex-Cinq Alfa owner :-)

Are there a lot? Mind you, after a cinquecento (sporting, of course)
where else is there to go?

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SteveH - 27 Jul 2004 20:59 GMT

> >> My last car was a small hatch, Fiat Cinquecento.
> >
> >Heh. Another ex-Cinq Alfa owner :-)
>
> Are there a lot? Mind you, after a cinquecento (sporting, of course)
> where else is there to go?

There are one or two, yeah.

I miss mine. Want another.

http://www.italiancar.co.uk/cinq/

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Pete - 28 Jul 2004 14:08 GMT

>Are there a lot?
>dom.

There are a fair number of Alfa owners here who either own, or have owned a
Fiat Cinquecento. There are plenty of others who express the desire :-)

Pete

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Ivan - 27 Jul 2004 20:32 GMT

> > I'm fitting an electronic reversing aid that needs to be connected to the
> > reversing lamp electrical feed.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> understand it, maybe even on a 156, but it doesn't make sense to me on a
> small hatch.

I was proud of the fact that I had never seen such a device on *any* Alfa.
Sign of the times I'm affaid!
;-))

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Paul Woodsford - 27 Jul 2004 21:43 GMT

Hi Ivan,
and when this system ( an EPS system not Ultrasonic system ) is fitted you
won't see it either.
Nothing to see externally, nor internally. As fitted by Jaguar to their
pride and joy.
Why would I want to muck around with such a beautiful rear end.

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Ivan - 27 Jul 2004 20:54 GMT

> Hi Ivan,
> and when this system ( an EPS system not Ultrasonic system ) is fitted you
> won't see it either.
> Nothing to see externally, nor internally. As fitted by Jaguar to their
> pride and joy.
> Why would I want to muck around with such a beautiful rear end.

Hi Paul,
I was joking!!
I had a a little miss-judgement with my Selespeed at 4 weeks old from brand
new!... I had only ever driven hatchbacks up to me owning the 156! Wish that
had had sensors!
Still do with the V6... not helped by the crap steering lock!

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Paul Woodsford - 28 Jul 2004 07:21 GMT

Well if anyone is interested I will let them know how I get on fitting this
system.

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> I'm fitting an electronic reversing aid that needs to be connected to the
> reversing lamp electrical feed.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
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> Any advice or help much appreciated.

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Catman - 28 Jul 2004 06:54 GMT

> Well if anyone is interested I will let them know how I get on fitting
> this system.

Absolutley

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Paul Woodsford - 28 Jul 2004 22:19 GMT

Hi guys,
Well have just finished preparing to fit this EPS system.
The wiring info gleaned from this group and www.alfaowners.com helped but
wasn't quit correct.
My Bella is a Nov 2003 147 1.6TS Lusseo.
( all directions from rear of car looking forward into car)
Reversing light on hatch is served by 2 wires, white/black is power,
purple/black is earth.
These join with wires from rear fog, hatch brake light and wiper into a wire
loom that passes into the roof space via the rubber gator at the top of the
hatch.
This combined loom passes to the R and down the R rear pillar to the boot
space where it splits.
All the earth wires pass backwards to an earthing point situated on the boot
lip bulkhead to the R of the hatch lock and behind the plastic boot lip
cover which is held on with 4 clips,3 screws and 2 bolts also holding the
luggage restraint rings.
The power leads in the wire loom pass forward under the rear seat back,
under the rear seat on the R side of the car and under the floor carpet
forward under the drivers seat.
The wiring loom can be easily displayed and a connection made to the
reversing light power lead ( white/black) under the rear seat base.
That's all for now. If the unit comes tomorrow I'll start fitting and report
later.

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> > Well if anyone is interested I will let them know how I get on fitting
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> Absolutley

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