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Are the Alfa 156 any good?

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Laurence - 18 Aug 2004 12:27 GMT
Hello all,

I know this is possibly the wrong place to ask, but I am considering
getting an 01/02 Alfa 156 2.4 JTD.  But am hearing mixed reports about
the reliability of the car and how well it is put together.  Now the
question is are these concerns justified?

Thanks for any help.

Laurence
Gareth Tuckwell - 18 Aug 2004 13:32 GMT
I am fairly new to this group, but I can tell you that all you will get here
is various opinions and I get the impression that we are all dedicated alfa
fans.

They used to have a bad reputation for falling apart and rusting, but I
believe that image has now been shed.

My personal view is that they are great. I have the 2002 156 JTS with the
new interior and I love it. I had teething trouble with a knock sensor,
otherwise, 19k miles of fun so far!

You won't regret it - join the club!

> Hello all,
>
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>
> Laurence
Martin Smarda - 18 Aug 2004 14:16 GMT
> They used to have a bad reputation for falling apart and rusting, but I
> believe that image has now been shed.

Yes, rust won?t be an issue anymore, AFAIK.

> My personal view is that they are great. I have the 2002 156 JTS with the
> new interior and I love it. I had teething trouble with a knock sensor,
> otherwise, 19k miles of fun so far!

I also like the cars for their looks and their suspension.
In my surroundings there are quite contrary experiences about the 156.

One friend has the second V6, both without any troubles except fuel consumption
;).

Another one has the 1.6 with quite a few things (phaser, suspension, exhaust
just
to mention a few). But this was an "early" car.

Friends from Germany drive Alfas for 30 years and do a lot of mileage per year,
no serious problems so far. They had 1.6, 2.0 JTS and now drive a GT JTS without
problems.
Only recent Alfa with loads of problems was a GTV 2.0TS.

If buying a newer car, nothing _should_ happen.

Go on, join the club ;)

cheers, Martin
Alfistagj - 18 Aug 2004 16:45 GMT
GET THAT CAR!!!
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Ciao from Holland
AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan)
Alfa red 156 SW 1.8 Madeno tuned (2000)
Golden Montreal 1428700 (1973/4)

> Hello all,
>
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>
> Laurence
Grahame - 18 Aug 2004 20:23 GMT
> Hello all,
>
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>
> Laurence

Hi Laurence,

I own a 2000 156 1.8TS Lusso and have had very few problems with it. I did
have some suspension problems early on, but they were fixed under warranty
and since then it's been fine. A friend of mine manages a fleet of cars for
a large company and they have quite a few Alfa's "on the books" and the only
major problem that seems to be a common feature of the 156 is that they wear
the inner edge of the front tyres very quickly. The only other common
complaint with Alfa's these days is the quality of the dealerships - they
frequently come out worst in customer satisfaction surveys! Overall I've
been very happy with my 156, I'd say you should do your homework, have it
inspected and if it all looks OK, go for it :)
Neil G - 18 Aug 2004 20:40 GMT
>Hello all,
>
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>
>Laurence

Laurence, the 156 beat the mould vs older Alfas.  You'll find geneally
they are no worse than a say a Ford for reliability (but depreciation
to match).  Do the obvious research and background checks on the car
as you would with any other.

Though I would dearly love a JTD for it's economy, I much prefer my
2.0TS.  But herein lies another Alfisti debate about allowing diesels
in Alfas (but the AR unit is very good)

Go for it man and join the club!  You may get a few jibes from friends
but you as an AR owner always know what a good deal you've got.

Neil
Carl Farrington - 18 Aug 2004 21:30 GMT
> Hello all,
>
> I know this is possibly the wrong place to ask.

Obviously.
Simon C - 19 Aug 2004 08:45 GMT
Laurence

I have a '02 156 2.4JTD and it is great. A pleasure to drive, extremely
quick (faster than my Dad's B*W 530d Touring), and handles great.

However, and please don't let this put you off because it hasn't me,  I
believe I have an Italian Friday afternoon car!

I have suffered terribly from problems with ABS/VDC sensors, anti-roll bars,
engine mounts, steering rack and general suspension problems. I have also
had a new starter motor fitted after 15k miles, new door handles after
10-12k miles, tracking was way out after factory set-up. Electrical failure
of wipers, indicators, hazard warning lights, etc.

Having said all this, I want to say again that this has not put me off and I
will almost certainly have another. This is a great car let down by many
poor dealerships with no attention to customer service. If you are buying
the car outside of a warranty then great. You can use proper Alfa mechanics
who appreciate the cars they are working on.

Buy the car...you will have a hoot!

Simon C
156 2.4JTD V1 (2002)
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> Hello all,
>
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>
> Laurence
canard - 19 Aug 2004 19:38 GMT
I'm up to 165,000 miles now on a 1998 Twinspark.  I bought it
second-hand four years ago, and apart from a rear window winder (that
was broken when I got it), the only things that have gone wrong have
been made by a company called Bosch.

I still get 34mpg when taking it steady and it still just reaches
130mph when pushed.  And there's very little rust.  And it does not
need oil top-ups in between changes.  And spares seem very reasonably
priced compared to other brands.

AndyM
Zathras - 19 Aug 2004 17:54 GMT
>Hello all,
>
>I know this is possibly the wrong place to ask, but I am considering
>getting an 01/02 Alfa 156 2.4 JTD.  But am hearing mixed reports about
>the reliability of the car and how well it is put together.  Now the
>question is are these concerns justified?

Yes..it's an Alfa Romeo and they built up a bad reputation for
reliability and customer service. I had these concerns too when I
considered getting mine.

On mine, the suspension bushes wearing out every five minutes has
seriously dented my wallet (two £800 bills before 3 years and 24000
miles) at service time. The indicator relay (which I changed in a shop
car park waiting on the wife and kid) packs in every 18 months. 12UKP
for the part and easy to fix..in fact..*trivial for an Alfa"*. The
fuel filter seal is supremely delicate. It's at the rear of the engine
and, if you or a mechanic pulls it, the seal will never be reliable
again. You have to replace the fuel filter. This also happens all too
often after service replacement too.

Note that main dealer servicing may well start at about 300UKP for any
service.

Having said all that, mine's a 2001 and it's never let me down. AA/RAC
membership, 3 year warranty etc have been a waste of money. If you get
an 01/02, the only stock issue that should be left on it is worn
bushes.

Check all the tyres on the car, they should wear perfectly evenly.
Check, also, the metal panels for dents (the boot lid is particularly
easy to dent just shutting it). Check radio reception (all bands) with
and without the rear demist (where the antennas are). If there's a
difference, you may well have a broken demist element which means new
back window.

One last thing, look under the front and ensure the under tray is in
excellent condition. A new one is 80UKP but it's plastic instead of
fibre so is far more robust (flexible). You can also check on how
badly the car has been scraped along the road (sadly a normal
occurrence).

I think the 2.4JTD is, overall, the best in the 156 range and I'd get
another one if some pillock hadn't screwed up the front of the current
ones!

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Z
Scotland
Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather
'Oil' be seeing you..
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Pete - 20 Aug 2004 10:50 GMT
>Note that main dealer servicing may well start at about 300UKP for any
>service.
It may. It rather depends upon what you have damaged between services.
I have receipts for Alfa GB main dealer services for under 150 quid.

Pete
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 <iowna156@rustclubalfa.com>      
156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his)
147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (her's)

Zathras - 20 Aug 2004 22:28 GMT
>>Note that main dealer servicing may well start at about 300UKP for any
>>service.
>It may. It rather depends upon what you have damaged between services.
>I have receipts for Alfa GB main dealer services for under 150 quid.

..but not for a 2.4JTD I suspect?

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Z
Scotland
Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather
'Oil' be seeing you..
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Pete - 20 Aug 2004 22:08 GMT
>>>Note that main dealer servicing may well start at about 300UKP for any
>>>service.
>>It may. It rather depends upon what you have damaged between services.
>>I have receipts for Alfa GB main dealer services for under 150 quid.
>
>..but not for a 2.4JTD I suspect?
Ah! A very true point. Our TSparks would not like oiling <G>

Pete
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156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his)
147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (her's)

T. - 20 Aug 2004 09:36 GMT
> Hello all,
>
> I know this is possibly the wrong place to ask, but I am considering
> getting an 01/02 Alfa 156 2.4 JTD.  But am hearing mixed reports about
> the reliability of the car and how well it is put together.  Now the
> question is are these concerns justified?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

Alfa's and Fiat's are cars that, generally speaking, are simply more
sensitive to poor maintenace. Maintain it properly and it'll be fine.

Get the JTD. It's a brilliant car. Lots of pulling power (as in torque
:p) and about 60mpg if you try :-)

T.
Simon C - 20 Aug 2004 10:00 GMT
"T." wrote in message

> Get the JTD. It's a brilliant car. Lots of pulling power (as in torque
> :p) and about 60mpg if you try :-)

I agree on the torque, but bloody hell, that's a hell of a lot of trying to
get 60mpg. On a very good run (motorway and good A roads) I'll get 44-46mpg.

If I'm going downhill in 5th with my foot off the accelerator it'll register
141.5mpg...now that's good!!!

Simon C
156 2.4JTD V1 (2002)
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T. - 21 Aug 2004 17:10 GMT
> I agree on the torque, but bloody hell, that's a hell of a lot of trying to
> get 60mpg. On a very good run (motorway and good A roads) I'll get 44-46mpg.

OK! I've done my maths wrong.

In modern metric terms it's basically 600 miles to a full tank. What's
that in mpg then? ;-)

T.
Zathras - 21 Aug 2004 22:36 GMT
>> I agree on the torque, but bloody hell, that's a hell of a lot of trying to
>> get 60mpg. On a very good run (motorway and good A roads) I'll get 44-46mpg.
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>In modern metric terms it's basically 600 miles to a full tank. What's
>that in mpg then? ;-)

Probably upper 40s!

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Z
Scotland
Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather
'Oil' be seeing you..
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Zathras - 20 Aug 2004 22:35 GMT
>> Hello all,
>>
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>Get the JTD. It's a brilliant car. Lots of pulling power (as in torque
>:p) and about 60mpg if you try :-)

..NO WAY on a 2.4JTD!

a/ Nobody has that kind of patience
b/ Mid to upper 40s is a more achievable figure

In over 3 years, my average is 41mpg. Even during the fuel crisis,
when I used tremendous delicacy in driving, I never got particularly
close to 50mpg. Some have..but 60 mpg..nope, sorry!

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Z
Scotland
Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather
'Oil' be seeing you..
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Martin - 23 Aug 2004 11:12 GMT
I have seen 60 mpg (according to the computer) on a couple of occaisions in
my 2.4JTD SW (2004 multijet).  Both were on about 30-40 mile runs at around
40-50mph (B road and some dual carraigeway).   Admittedly,  I was trying to
see how good I could get it (without switching the aircon off!).  Actually
the computer recorded 59.9 both times - never seen it higher, not sure if
this is a limit of the computer?

Generally, I get around 50mpg, or 42 if i'm pushing it.  If I just go out
for a real blast and come home again (ie no normal driving!) I get around
38mpg.

Regards,

Martin.

156 2.4 JTD SW Veloce (2004)

>>> Hello all,
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> when I used tremendous delicacy in driving, I never got particularly
> close to 50mpg. Some have..but 60 mpg..nope, sorry!
Simon C - 23 Aug 2004 11:20 GMT
"Martin"  wrote in message

> Generally, I get around 50mpg, or 42 if i'm pushing it.  If I just go out
> for a real blast and come home again (ie no normal driving!) I get around
> 38mpg.

Are you driving the new Mjet or the normal JTD?

42 - 44 mpg is a good run for me in the standard JTD.

Simon C
156 2.4JTD V1 (2002)
Martin - 23 Aug 2004 11:33 GMT
175BHP Multijet (2004)

Martin,

> "Martin"  wrote in message
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> Simon C
> 156 2.4JTD V1 (2002)
Zathras - 23 Aug 2004 13:44 GMT
<snip>
>42 - 44 mpg is a good run for me in the standard JTD.

Me too!

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Z
Scotland
Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather
'Oil' be seeing you..
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Zathras - 23 Aug 2004 13:44 GMT
>I have seen 60 mpg (according to the computer) on a couple of occaisions in
>my 2.4JTD SW (2004 multijet).  Both were on about 30-40 mile runs at around
>40-50mph (B road and some dual carraigeway).

Unless you're a pensioner looking for a coffee shop, what's the point
in doing speeds like this on a dual carriageway in a 175hp Alfa?

>Admittedly,  I was trying to
>see how good I could get it (without switching the aircon off!).

Oh..ok..each to his own! My preference would be to see how low I could
get it not how high. It is so miserably boring driving a JTD at slow
speed on a good road. You've got to drive a LONG way to get an
accurate result. Life's too short mate!

> Actually
>the computer recorded 59.9 both times - never seen it higher, not sure if
>this is a limit of the computer?

It's 100% unrealistic. Some time ago,  I witnessed a VW Beetle
(original model) doing infinite miles to the gallon in the Highlands
of Scotland when the thing ran out of fuel and we were at the top of a
five mile descent to the fuel station. It was exciting wondering who'd
have to walk for the fuel but we made it.

>Generally, I get around 50mpg, or 42 if i'm pushing it.  If I just go out
>for a real blast and come home again (ie no normal driving!) I get around
>38mpg.

In 27000 miles, I've averaged 41mpg so you can work out just how often
I enjoy my Alfa.

<snip>

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Z
Scotland
Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather
'Oil' be seeing you..
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Simon C - 23 Aug 2004 13:15 GMT
"Zathras" wrote in message

> Oh..ok..each to his own! My preference would be to see how low I could
> get it not how high. It is so miserably boring driving a JTD at slow
> speed on a good road. You've got to drive a LONG way to get an
> accurate result. Life's too short mate!

I would have to agree with you. Just recently, she has been a pleasure to
drive.

I have seen such a marked improvement with mine. I have just passed 21k
miles and replaced all her tyres (Eagle NCTs)...she has never driven so
well.

The engine sounds superb and the tyre noise and grip is now much improved
over the Avon's I had previously. Even in the wet, I have more confidence
now than I did 5-6k miles ago.

Happy driving all.

Simon C
156 2.4JTD V1 (2002)
Mogens Beltoft - 23 Aug 2004 16:33 GMT
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:12:23 +0100, "Martin" <nospam@please.com>
<snip>
> In 27000 miles, I've averaged 41mpg so you can work out just how often
> I enjoy my Alfa.

I've done 10.9 km/l (30.8 mi/gal(UK) or 25.6 mi/ga(US)) in the 50,000 km
(31,000 mi) I've had my 156 2.0 TS.

/Mogens
steve - 24 Aug 2004 01:06 GMT
> > On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:12:23 +0100, "Martin" <nospam@please.com>
>  <snip>
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>
> /Mogens

I couldn't give a toss how much fuel mine uses. I just put more in
when the light comes on.
If I was concerned about fuel consumption I would buy a Daewoo Matiz
!!!!

Steve
2000 GTV 2.O TS
Zathras - 24 Aug 2004 09:36 GMT
<Snip>
>I couldn't give a toss how much fuel mine uses. I just put more in
>when the light comes on.
>If I was concerned about fuel consumption I would buy a Daewoo Matiz
>!!!!

If fuel consumption wasn't important, I'd have a GTA! Failing that,
maybe a 3.0 GTV....

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Z
Scotland
Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather
'Oil' be seeing you..
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Steve Drake - 27 Aug 2004 14:00 GMT
I am new to Alfa, I have a 156 2 JTS and its great.... but........

my trusty garage gave me a few warnings, watch the oil, for some reason it
goes very quickly (my dealer confirmed this, AFTER i baught the car). I got
some work done at the same trusty garage and he commented on how the body
work no longer rusts but bits that you don't see can be prone to rust, not
sure if this was him having a dig tho.

I always check my oil before a big journey and it often needs a top up.

Steve

> Hello all,
>
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>
> Laurence
Tom Boltwood - 27 Aug 2004 16:06 GMT
> From: "Steve Drake" <Steve@_NOSPAM_.Drakey.co.uk>
> Newsgroups: alt.autos.alfa-romeo
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>
> Steve

The TSparks are notorious for using oil and the JTS seems to be much the
same. Some don't use any and some use a lot. Alfa say that anything up to
1l/1000km is perfectly okay. As long as you keep topping it up, it'll go on
forever, but if you let it go too low you could do it a lot of damage, I
seem to remember a post about low oil level and fast cornering causing big
end damage. Anyway I regard it as a feature rather than a fault! As for
rust, I don't have any experience of the 156, but judging by my 164's and
what I have seen on wwww.alfaowner.com, Alfa have the rust problem well and
truly licked.
David A Stocks - 27 Aug 2004 16:27 GMT
> I am new to Alfa, I have a 156 2 JTS and its great.... but........
>
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>
> I always check my oil before a big journey and it often needs a top up.

OTOH, I have a 2.4 JTD and, since the first 20K miles (I have done around
55K miles total), it hasn't required any oil between services. That is not
an excuse to stop doing regular checks though ...

D A Stocks
 
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