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Car Forum / Alfa Romeo Cars / October 2004

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Alfa Romeo 156 alarm won't turn off problem

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Alfie Norks - 18 Oct 2004 10:19 GMT
I have a 156 (X reg = 2000) and I tried to use it on the weekend only
to find that both of my car keys don't seem to be able to turn off the
car alarm. It's not the key batteries as the chance of both keys being
dead at the same time is very slim - and the key lights come on when I
press their buttons.
The car battery is fine as the alarm goes off when the doors are
opened but I can't start the car as the alarm seems to have the car
immobilised (I guess).

My problem is (1) how to fix this and/or (2) how to get the car to the
garage to get it fixed (if I can't start it).

Any ideas?
Thanks
Alfie
Ppelectron - 18 Oct 2004 11:25 GMT
>I have a 156 (X reg = 2000) and I tried to use it on the weekend only
>to find that both of my car keys don't seem to be able to turn off the
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>Thanks
>Alfie

I had a similar problem the other day with a 1998 model. When you press the key
button, does the key LED flicker or does it stay on solid for quite a few
seconds? My LEDs were staying on solid on both key fobs. I discovered that the
rubbers over the switches on the key fobs had slipped (yes on both key fobs)
and were stopping the alarm buttons from releasing properly. The solution was
to open the key fob, remove the rubber and press the button. I have now
stripped down, cleaned and re-assembled both fobs correctly and all is well. (I
previously tried removing the key fob batteries and then putting them back in
but this did not help. The problem was definitely due to the switch not
releasing). Hope this unlikely sounding explanation helps you!

Phil 156 V6 1998
Alfie Norks - 18 Oct 2004 19:58 GMT
Thanks - but the LEDs flicker.

Any other ideas before I have to fork out on garage and towing costs?
George Graves - 18 Oct 2004 18:10 GMT
> I have a 156 (X reg = 2000) and I tried to use it on the weekend only
> to find that both of my car keys don't seem to be able to turn off the
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Thanks
> Alfie

Try disconnecting the battery, waiting a few minutes and then
re-connecting it. I had a similar thing happen to me with the 147 GTA
that Alfa loaned me in 2003 while I was in Italy.

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Alfie Norks - 19 Oct 2004 09:49 GMT
Disconnect the car battery or the key battery?
George Graves - 19 Oct 2004 18:17 GMT
> Disconnect the car battery or the key battery?

The CAR battery! It resets everything.

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Catman - 19 Oct 2004 21:49 GMT
>> Disconnect the car battery or the key battery?
>
> The CAR battery! It resets everything.

Don't be on it.  My bike alarm still works just fine if you take the
battery out.  It's a real PITA when you're working on it cos it *beeps*
every 30 seconds :( *LOUDLY* :(:(
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George Graves - 20 Oct 2004 01:22 GMT
> >> Disconnect the car battery or the key battery?
> >
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> battery out.  It's a real PITA when you're working on it cos it *beeps*
> every 30 seconds :( *LOUDLY* :(:(

Well, it reset the system on a 147 GTA last year. That's why I
recommended it. Obviously, I can't say for sure that it will solve this
poster's problem, he could have a bad sensor or some other component
failure, but if it's just a logic glitch, as so many problems of this
sort are in a modern car, then disconnecting the car's battery just
might fix it.

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Catman - 20 Oct 2004 06:42 GMT
>> >> Disconnect the car battery or the key battery?
>> >
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> sort are in a modern car, then disconnecting the car's battery just
> might fix it.

Don't get me wrong, it's got to be worth a try.
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George Graves - 20 Oct 2004 09:08 GMT
> >> >> Disconnect the car battery or the key battery?
> >> >
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> >
> Don't get me wrong, it's got to be worth a try.

That's my take on it as well.

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Ppelectron - 19 Oct 2004 22:48 GMT
>> Disconnect the car battery or the key battery?
>
>The CAR battery! It resets everything.

When I had a similar problem, I phoned the Alfa main dealer. They told me that
disconnecting the car battery would not help at all. Don't know if they were
right or not, as I never tried it. Luckily my problem was in the key fob.
George Graves - 20 Oct 2004 01:19 GMT
> >> Disconnect the car battery or the key battery?
> >
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> disconnecting the car battery would not help at all. Don't know if they were
> right or not, as I never tried it. Luckily my problem was in the key fob.

In your case they were right. The original poster had checked his fob
and found that it worked properly. Therefore he has to reset the
security system in the car. This is best done by removing power from it
and then restarting the system by re-applying power. To do this, you
must disconnect the battery.

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Alfie Norks - 20 Oct 2004 10:49 GMT
No luck with the disconnecting the car battery as it looks like the
battery has drained on me (the alarm light on the dash was not
blinking this morning). I did try to disconnect it but there was no
change in the situation.

Have now joined and called out the RAC to look at it.

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but the amber warning
light for "side-light bulb/fuse gone" was showing on my dashboard for
about a week - although I was guessing that this was just a blown bulb
and had ignored it (knowing how difficult it is to change a headlight
bulb in a 156).

I'll update this posting when I get more info.
Alfie Norks - 21 Oct 2004 21:19 GMT
Well the RAC man has been and he's put it down to a flat battery
(which it obviously wasn't originally). But having jump started the
car - the alarm is working again and the car is no longer immobilised.
I suspect that there's an underlying problem that is still there, but
with the flat battery - the suggestion of a hard-reset of the system
(by disconnecting the power) was right - so by George (posting
earlier) I'm guessing you had the solution all along. Now I need to
find out why the power had drained so badly.

Thanks for all your suggestions and help.
Alfie.
George Graves - 22 Oct 2004 01:12 GMT
> Well the RAC man has been and he's put it down to a flat battery
> (which it obviously wasn't originally). But having jump started the
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> Thanks for all your suggestions and help.
> Alfie.

Glad you found the problem. One cannot have one's Alfa out of service.
After all, what's life without an Alfa?

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Martyn - 23 Oct 2004 04:33 GMT
> > Well the RAC man has been and he's put it down to a flat battery
> > (which it obviously wasn't originally). But having jump started the
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> Glad you found the problem. One cannot have one's Alfa out of service.
> After all, what's life without an Alfa?

Hi Alfie,
This will make you feel better,
Alfa 156, low battery situation making the alarm disfunction is not
unique to your Alfa, most modern cars react in a similar way.
The disconnecting of the battery is usually the easiest solution, and
luckily it only means that the radio setting and the clock time is
lost, but easy to reset. On some cars if one disconnects the battery
then all hell breaks loose when one reconnects it, like the air bag
lights refuse to go out and other little irritating things which
require a trip to the dealers to reset the computer, (happend to me on
a Honda some time ago) Its Ok I drive a 156 these days.
Now the battery on these cars does seem to drain down quickly if the
car is left standing for a while with the alarm (energised) I mean if
you leave the car with the alarm set, as when you lock it via your key
fob, and the flashing "led" is active.

My car is only used at weekends and I have to keep an eye on the
battery situation, (there should be a green indicator on the top of
your battery ? )
this should show green when the battery is in a good state of charge,
as the battery drains down the green turns to black, indicating that
it needs a good long run, or to be recharged via a seperate battery
charger.
If you decide to do this, then disconnect the "neg" first then the
"positive" second, when you reconnect it is "pos" first then "neg"
second.
The Battery seems to remain "green" for about 3 weeks if not used but
with the alarm on, so I guess that after about 5 weeks it would be
flat enough to set the alarm into active mode, as the alarm will
detect a voltage drop, which is what it is designed to do, because if
someone  opened the car door, then the interior light would come on
and create a voltage drop, same as if the bonnet or boot were to be
opened, thats one of the basic sensors.
I often leave my car at an airport and I notice that in the paid long
term secure parking places the operators always leave the keys in the
cars, and they have to be left unlocked, ( they are safe and in a
compound), I used to think that I may come back and have a flat
battery, but not so, because the alarm is not active, ( can you
imagine all those alarms going off everytime a big jet went over the
car parks at gatwick, also it is incase they need to clear the area in
an emergency).
Head Lamp bulbs changing in a 156, childs play, so long as you have
fingers, it takes like two minutes, turn the cap, and remove it (under
the bonnet) and there is the plug on connector, gently prise it and
pull off, then there is a spring clip which you squeeze the tags
inwards and release the ends from the two
lugs on the lamp body, bulb pops out.
The secret is when replacing the bulbs, (two in each head light, plus
a side lamp bulb) the glass must not be touched, use a tissue, and
refit but make sure the bulb is in the correct way round, note the
tags positions when you extract the original, you will notice as soon
as you turn your lights on, the beam will be have a strange spread
pattern. I would suggest that if you are changing head light bulbs
that a good idea is to buy the up grade "Philips vision plus type"
a much better "whiter light" better night vision.
Back to the car battery if you can or have a secure place to park over
night why not just lock it with the key  and not activate the alarm,
because for some reason the alarm on these cars does seem to drain the
battery quickly,  I understand that the alarm system is made by "Meta"
and are highly regarded and used by other manufacturers like those
German taxis/repmobile things from the Black Forest area.
Hope you sort it out, at worst a new battery, they only last about
between 3 and 5 years. One final point, when the engine is running
have you checked if the battery is charging, a voltage meter across
the terminals should indicate about 14.5 volts being put into the
battery from the alternator, and this decreases as the battery picks
up its charge, down to about 13.5 volts.
At least you will know if its a duff battery or if the car is failing
to supply the required juice to keep the battery up.
Regards Martyn.
 
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