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Car Forum / Alfa Romeo Cars / March 2005

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Alfa flip key - opening & key blade removal

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PhilipS - 03 Mar 2005 11:15 GMT
Hi all,

I want to open up one of my alfa flip keys to remove the key blade and
put into a spare flip key I have acquired as a replacement.

I've removed the battery and battery compartment, and removed the screw
which is under the enamel alfa badge, but there doesn't seem to be a
way to separate the two halves of the key.  I've tried carefully
prising the two parts, but they won't open wide enough to allow the
flip key mechanism out, without (I suspect!) snapping.

I realise that I will need to get the new key reprogrammed with my
code, if I manage to swop the blade over, but that must be better than
the £51+VAT quoted for a new key from the dealer!

Thanks all, any help would be much appreciated.
PhilipS
Catman - 03 Mar 2005 14:27 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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> prising the two parts, but they won't open wide enough to allow the
> flip key mechanism out, without (I suspect!) snapping.

Given modern manufacturing techniques, the two halves may well be welded
together ultrasonically.
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George Graves - 03 Mar 2005 21:15 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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> Thanks all, any help would be much appreciated.
> PhilipS

Be advised that the car MIGHT not work if you do that. My little story
revolves around a late model VW, Alfas may be different.

When I took possession of my 2003 VW GTI 1.8ti, it was missing the
second "switch-blade" key (the VW uses the same type of key as do modern
Alfas. It even is made by the same company) but did have a conventional
-looking key called a "valet key". The dealership made me a new second
"switch-blade" key and gave it to me. I didn't have an opportunity to
use it until almost a year later when my primary key fell out of my
pocket and landed on the floor at a friend's house (it also had my latch
key on the same fob). I was driving my Alfetta GTV-6 that day, so I
didn't notice that my VW key was missing until I got home and tried to
unlock my door. Luckily, I have a spare latch key hidden outside on the
premises, and was able to get in. The next day, I got the spare
"switch-blade" key out of the drawer where I keep it and went out to
start my VW to run some errands. The car would catch with the spare key,
I.E. it fit the ignition lock and would turn it, and the car would
crank. But it would die again as soon as it caught. At first I thought
there was something amiss with the VW, but since I had never tried this
second key before, I was suspicious. I went back in the house and
retrieved the valet key and it started the car and it ran fine. I drove
over to my friends house (who had found my keys on his floor) and
retrieved my main keys.

Monday, I called the VW dealership and talked to the service technician
who duplicates keys for them. He said that the ignition switch doesn't
just rely on the physical key, but rather it uses a small transmitter in
the ignition lock which sends out a signal when the lock is turned to
the "start" position. A small coil of wire in the fob acts as an antenna
and a circuit inside called a transponder rebroadcasts the signal back
to the car's electronics but with a digital code now embedded in it. If
the code in the key and the code in the car's ignition switch don't
match, the car will quit immediately. Apparently this so called "valet
key" also has this circuitry in it. Anyway, I took the "switch-blade"
key back to dealership and they found that they had inadvertently
reversed two numbers in the code.

So, you see, taking the flat blade out of your "switch-blade" key may
not work.

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VMax - 04 Mar 2005 00:24 GMT
>> Hi all,
>>
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> So, you see, taking the flat blade out of your "switch-blade" key may
> not work.

Hi,

Nice comment...VW use the same."........................"......as a moderm
Alfa?
Didn't know VW are that ancient :)

Anyway...forget about the  key. Get a spare one at the Alfa shop.
Catman is right, they use ultrasound to glue the two parts. One way action,
not serviceable.
With the price of the car you could afford a spare key ....***grin***

Just count yourself lucky you need a spare for a Alfa instead of a..........

Greetz

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PhilipS - 05 Mar 2005 18:56 GMT
Thanks everyone for your suggestions. On closer inspection from the
inside the two halves do look 'welded'.  Oh well it was worth a try.

I guess having just had to pay out for a new body computer I was hoping
to save, but that's alfas!

cheers
PhilipS
SteveH - 05 Mar 2005 19:22 GMT
> Thanks everyone for your suggestions. On closer inspection from the
> inside the two halves do look 'welded'.  Oh well it was worth a try.
>
> I guess having just had to pay out for a new body computer I was hoping
> to save, but that's alfas!

If they really are the same kind of key as a VW flip key, then they do
come apart.

One part contains the buttons and battery and the other houses the key
blade and transponder chip - they're designed so that the buttons bit is
replaceable.
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