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Car Forum / Alfa Romeo Cars / March 2005Oil Info????
Popped into my Alfa/Fiat dealer today to get a 5L can of Selena 20K oil for topping up. I didn't realise there was a Fiat version and an Alfa version of the Selena 20K oil. Can anyone explain the difference, apart from cost that is????  SignaturePaul Woodsford Remove NOSPAM to reply. > Popped into my Alfa/Fiat dealer today to get a 5L can of Selena 20K oil for > topping up. > I didn't realise there was a Fiat version and an Alfa version of the Selena > 20K oil. > > Can anyone explain the difference, apart from cost that is???? The tin looks much nicer for the Alfa one. SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Judge Nutmeg in #Digi 1998 156 2.0 TS Sport > Popped into my Alfa/Fiat dealer today to get a 5L can of Selena 20K oil > for topping up. > I didn't realise there was a Fiat version and an Alfa version of the > Selena 20K oil. > > Can anyone explain the difference, apart from cost that is???? There should be no difference. Selenia 20K is a SAE 10W-40 full synthetic oil complying to ACEA A3 and API SJ specifications. I suppose the oil is the same, but the can print is the only difference. And, let me guess, the Fiat can is cheaper than the Alfa can!! Question: What the h*** is wrong with your engine that you woul be needing 5 liters for topping up?? If my engine was burning oil that quick, I would change to the cheapest DIY store oil immediately (or get the engine fixed) SignatureCiao from Holland AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan) Rosso Radicofani GT 2.0JTS Golden Montreal 1428700 (1973/4) Remove NOSPAM to reply. >> Popped into my Alfa/Fiat dealer today to get a 5L can of Selena 20K oil >> for topping up. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > If my engine was burning oil that quick, I would change to the cheapest > DIY store oil immediately (or get the engine fixed) My Last 5L can of oil has lasted for 16500 miles, and I still have 1L left, so 4L/16500 miles from new. 1L/4125 miles or 1L/6638 Km That's not too bad is it? Anyway, oil consumption has decreased as the engine beds in. SignaturePaul Woodsford How about changing oil and filter every 12500 miles as in the manual........ Hardly more costs than you have now, but certaily better for the engine! SignatureCiao from Holland AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan) Rosso Radicofani GT 2.0JTS Golden Montreal 1428700 (1973/4) > Remove NOSPAM to reply. >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Anyway, oil consumption has decreased as the engine beds in. Do you think I'm stupid. The oil and filter IS changed every 12,000 miles, but the car, well the way I drive it anyway, uses about 1 L every 4 to 5,000 miles. More when it was new, less now. I like to keep it topped upto the mark and check it religiously every week or before and after any long trip. A friend who has an Jaguar XKR, noticed the oil light flickered on a steep L hand bend so decided to top up with oil. The car had done 4,231 miles and needed 5L to bring it from the Min level on the dipstick to Max. SignaturePaul Woodsford Remove NOSPAM to reply. > How about changing oil and filter every 12500 miles as in the > manual........ [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> >> Anyway, oil consumption has decreased as the engine beds in. > How about changing oil and filter every 12500 miles as in the manual........ > Hardly more costs than you have now, but certaily better for the engine! I have got through more than 5 litres topping up my 156 V6 between 12000 mile services. It has done 27k miles now, though most of the topping up was in the first few 1000 miles. These cars don't go between services without needing oil - as in the manual! That is one reason why they are still more for car enthusiasts. The vast majority of modern car owners don't expect to open the bonnet between services let alone work out where the oil goes. The assumption being that there is something wrong with them if they use oil - which is not the case. Too True SignaturePaul Woodsford Remove NOSPAM to reply. > >> How about changing oil and filter every 12500 miles as in the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > The assumption being that there is something wrong with them if they use > oil - which is not the case. Tony Rickard said the following on 12.3.2005 13:18: > I have got through more than 5 litres topping up my 156 V6 between 12000 > mile services. It has done 27k miles now, though most of the topping up was > in the first few 1000 miles. mine is using about 1 litre in every 10 000kms, what oil are you using? > That is one reason why they are still more for car enthusiasts. The vast > majority of modern car owners don't expect to open the bonnet between > services let alone work out where the oil goes. there is many cars which needs adding more oil nowadays. Opels, Audi v6s, TDIs etc its not just Alfa. I would drive any car without checking it once in a while. > > I have got through more than 5 litres topping up my 156 V6 between 12000 > > mile services. It has done 27k miles now, though most of the topping up was > > in the first few 1000 miles. > mine is using about 1 litre in every 10 000kms, what oil are you using? I've been topping up with Castrol Magnatex, but the biggest use of oil seems to come after services. I assume my dealer is putting Selena in. > > That is one reason why they are still more for car enthusiasts. The vast > > majority of modern car owners don't expect to open the bonnet between [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Opels, Audi v6s, TDIs etc its not just Alfa. > I would drive any car without checking it once in a while. Maybe they give the drivers some more warning when they get low so they can take it to a garage. Most company car drivers I know wouldn't dream of "maintaining" their car. > I assume my dealer is putting Selena in. Obviously not using an Alfa UK dealer <G> My local main dealer does not even stock 1lr bottles. All serving is done using a large drum of Castrol Pete Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his) 147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (her's) >most of the topping up was in the first few 1000 miles. Exactly. This is when your engine is expected to drink. After 20k or so the consumption should have levelled off. Reflecting the type of motoring and driving style. Pete Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his) 147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (her's) >These cars don't go between services without needing oil - as in the manual! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >The assumption being that there is something wrong with them if they use >oil - which is not the case. My Jan 2000 2.4jtd has never needed an oil top-up between services. It now has 68000 miles on the clock. : ) SignatureAndy B >>These cars don't go between services without needing oil - as in the >>manual! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > : ) Likewise. Graham Lucky you. All I know is that ALL new Alfa's have a sticker on the windscreen and an insert in the Handbook stating that the oil level should be checked at least every 1000miles ( in the UK ) and not to depend on the oil level light as an indicator because damage may be done to the engine if the oil indicator comes on at high speed. If you do not have to top-up between oil changes then you are lucky, particularily if you are using the recommended oil type. I "drive" my Alfa and am prepared to top up if necessary. Otherwise why own an Alfa. SignaturePaul Woodsford Remove NOSPAM to reply. >> > >>>These cars don't go between services without needing oil - as in the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Graham > Lucky you. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I "drive" my Alfa and am prepared to top up if necessary. Otherwise why own > an Alfa. I don't know why people see it as a big deal that some consume oil and others don't. It may be down to tolerances or to driving style. The diesels don't rev to 7200 so perhaps that is why. The fact is they can consume oil and should be checked. Even those that do drink 5 litres in a year it is less then half the cost of one tank of fuel so I don't see it being a problem. >> Lucky you. >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > drink 5 litres in a year it is less then half the cost of one tank of fuel > so I don't see it being a problem. I totally agree Tony SignaturePaul Woodsford Remove NOSPAM to reply. >I "drive" my Alfa and am prepared to top up if necessary. >Otherwise why own an Alfa. Exactly. I have heard that if you travel by public transport you never have to do any maintenance or top-ups at all. Personally I have never noticed smiles of joy of bus drivers faces as I had sat alongside them in traffic. Pete Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his) 147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (her's) >My Jan 2000 2.4jtd has never needed an oil top-up between services. It >now has 68000 miles on the clock. Silly Billy. Your car is burning oil all the time the engine is on <LOL> Pete Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his) 147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (her's) >Silly Billy. Your car is burning oil all the time the engine is on <LOL> > >Pete You got me there! : ) Incidentally, I 'drive' my Alfa, but I don't need to rev it like crazy to overtake almost any other car if I feel like it! And I get 43mpg on average... Main problem is that it eats the inside edges of the front tyres. SignatureAndy B > >Silly Billy. Your car is burning oil all the time the engine is on <LOL> > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Main problem is that it eats the inside edges of the front tyres. Usually the tracking or camber, too much toe-out and/or negative camber. When did you last have a wheel alignment done? SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Judge Nutmeg in #Digi 1998 156 2.0 TS Sport >Main problem is that it eats the inside edges of the front tyres. That's right. Still can't get 'er in doors to understand why the front tyres don't wear evenly. Argues for hours that the dealer should be made to set the car up so that the wear is across the whole of the contact area :-) Pete Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his) 147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (her's) > >Main problem is that it eats the inside edges of the front tyres. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Pete If you're right and she's wrong, how come my 156 2.0 TS SP1 (1999) has even wear across the tread? Genuine question, I've often wondered why other people experience wear like this. Would tend to indicate that their cars could be set up better... Or are you saying that a setup that causes such wear is a good thing because it provides better handling? I think we should be told. PS There's no apostrophe in hers. Ask 'er indoors :-) Mark I think it is mainly due to the camber. Reduce this and you will get more even tyre wear, but at the expense of less grip on cornering. Here are the recommended values for a 2002 GTV V6 3.0 Front wheels -camber 0?50` -caster 2?42` -toe-in -2mm Rear wheels -camber -2?0` -caster 0?46` -toe-in 3mm > > >Main problem is that it eats the inside edges of the front tyres. > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Mark >> If you're right and she's wrong, how come my 156 2.0 TS SP1 (1999) has >even [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> Mark I understand that it's a problem that afflicts the V6 and 2.4jtd, due to the heavier engine. My (late) dealer's top mechanic suggested 0 degrees toe in, so I will try this when I get the tracking done next - unless of course, the consensus here is different... SignatureAndy B > I understand that it's a problem that afflicts the V6 and 2.4jtd, due to > the heavier engine. Especially when you have the sports pack with lowered suspension. > My (late) dealer's top mechanic suggested 0 degrees toe in, so I will > try this when I get the tracking done next - unless of course, the > consensus here is different... After checking various sources (workshop manual CD, owners manual, the table on the wall at the local tyre dealer) and getting at least three different answers I asked my tame tyre fitter to set it to the maximum (toe-in) of the various values which, ISTR, was 0 degrees. This might not be giving the best handling but it seems to avoid having to change the tyres because the inside edges are worn. D A Stocks >If you're right and she's wrong, how come my 156 2.0 TS SP1 (1999) has even >wear across the tread? There is not a correct answer in my opinion. We are both right. >Genuine question, I've often wondered why other >people experience wear like this. Would tend to indicate that their cars >could be set up better... Or are you saying that a setup that causes such >wear is a good thing because it provides better handling? I think we should >be told. My 156 is set-up to "drive" the way that I like it, and the uneven wear still gives me 15K miles on a set of front tyres. A price I think is fine for the enjoyment it gives. The 147 is set-up differently because that is the way that the owner tells the garage to set the geometry. Strangely it to averages 15K per set :-) >PS There's no apostrophe in hers. Ask 'er indoors :-) Nah, she would go and get the manual from the glovebox to find it <g> Pete Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his) 147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (hers) Blimey 15k miles. I get about 7k miles before I am on slicks. Heavy V6 engine, FWD, and hard suspension. > Blimey 15k miles. I get about 7k miles before I am on slicks. Heavy V6 > engine, FWD, and hard suspension. Mine do a little more... but I go to the end of it, until I see the structure of the tire on the inside ! >Mine do a little more... but I go to the end of it, until I see the >structure of the tire on the inside ! Glad you don't drive in the UK then ;-) Pete Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his) 147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (hers) >>Mine do a little more... but I go to the end of it, until I see the >>structure of the tire on the inside ! > > Glad you don't drive in the UK then ;-) > > Pete I'm not sure Switzerland is much better for that. >I'm not sure Switzerland is much better for that. We have heard that it is a motorist's heaven <LOL> Especially love the idea of everyone having their own number-plate and being able to buy a book that lists all the names and addresses by number :-) You do have the luxury of some wonderful challenging roads. Pete Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso (his) 147 2.0 TS (2002) - Gem Green (hers) Yeah, this is a real luxury: difficult roads in excellent conditions. This one I can agree with ! For the rest, it's more a questions of appreciation. >>I'm not sure Switzerland is much better for that. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You do have the luxury of some wonderful challenging roads. > Pete >That's right. Still can't get 'er in doors to understand why the front >tyres don't wear evenly. Argues for hours that the dealer should be made to >set the car up so that the wear is across the whole of the contact area :-) > >Pete It's a Veloce thing. Apparently... |
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