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Car Forum / Alfa Romeo Cars / April 20051996 146 ti 2 litre twin spark
Could anyone tell me if the Alfa 146 ti 1996 was developed from a Alfa Romeo 75 ?. Bill Jackson NO, the 146 is derived from the 33 which in turn is derived from the "Sud". All started out with the 4 cyl boxer engine between 1200cc and 1700cc In the later 145 (3-door) and 146 (4-door) models the boxer engine was changed into the 4 cyl DOHC engine  SignatureCiao from Holland AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan) Rosso Radicofani GT 2.0JTS (2005) Golden Montreal 1428700 (1973/4) > Could anyone tell me if the Alfa 146 ti 1996 was developed from a Alfa > Romeo 75 ?. > Bill Jackson > NO, the 146 is derived from the 33 which in turn is derived from the "Sud". > All started out with the 4 cyl boxer engine between 1200cc and 1700cc > In the later 145 (3-door) and 146 (4-door) models the boxer engine was > changed into the 4 cyl DOHC engine *bzzzt* wrong answer. The 146 is derived from the Fiat Tipo, only Alfa wedged in the old Boxer engines from the 33 until the 16v TSparks were ready. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # You're absolutely right Steve, my memory was a bit absent....... However, I prefer saying that the 145/146 is based on the Alfa 155 platform (like in all official Alfa documentation) rather than based on the FIAT Tipo (but we all know the 155 and FIAT Tipo are built on the same platform.......) Looking back Alfa did try to cover the FIAT background. Why go through all the hassel to convert the platform to accept the boxer engine in the first place, and after a few years change it back to the TS & 16V engines... SignatureCiao from Holland AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan) Rosso Radicofani GT 2.0JTS (2005) Golden Montreal 1428700 (1973/4) >> NO, the 146 is derived from the 33 which in turn is derived from the >> "Sud". [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The 146 is derived from the Fiat Tipo, only Alfa wedged in the old Boxer > engines from the 33 until the 16v TSparks were ready. > Looking back Alfa did try to cover the FIAT background. Why go through all > the hassel to convert the platform to accept the boxer engine in the first > place, and after a few years change it back to the TS & 16V engines... Alfa couldn't get the lovely but old boxer engines anywhere near the everytime getting stricter emission regulations so they had to switch the engine with the modern - Fiat based and therefore probably cheaper - Twin-Sparks. Why not any earlier? Well maybe because the boxer was just such a great engine....? Arjan > Why not any earlier? Well maybe because the boxer was just such a great > engine....? > > Arjan Couldn't agree more. The boxers were perfect engines yet expensive to build. Other advantage is the low build so the exterior designers had a lot more freedom when designing the body and the center of gravity of the car is very low. Too bad they couldn't get them within the pollution limits. SignatureCiao from Holland AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan) Rosso Radicofani GT 2.0JTS (2005) Golden Montreal 1428700 (1973/4) > > Why not any earlier? Well maybe because the boxer was just such a > > great engine....? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > gravity of the car is very low. > Too bad they couldn't get them within the pollution limits. And what about that delicious Barp-barp-pop-pop-pop on the overrun. Never tired of it. Trailing-throttle entry to the corner, pick the apex and then nail it. Wonderful wonderful engines. I wasn't _so_ keen on the sound of the twin-webbers guzzling juice when one used the choke though.... >> > Why not any earlier? Well maybe because the boxer was just such a >> > great engine....? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > And what about that delicious Barp-barp-pop-pop-pop on the overrun. Will you *stop* it? Our Sprint is in storage ATM, and I miss it terribly. SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 155 TS Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk > And what about that delicious Barp-barp-pop-pop-pop on the overrun. > Never tired of it. Trailing-throttle entry to the corner, pick the > apex and then nail it. Wonderful wonderful engines. > I wasn't _so_ keen on the sound of the twin-webbers guzzling juice when > one used the choke though.... Well, that wasn't exclusive to the boxer engines. The good old straight 4's did sound similar with their twin double carbs; you could even hear the difference detween the Weber/DellOrto/Solex versions...... Without airfilter, the hissing sound...... And the backfiring...... Ahhhh those were the days. SignatureCiao from Holland AlfistaGJ (Gert-Jan) Rosso Radicofani GT 2.0JTS (2005) Golden Montreal 1428700 (1973/4) >> And what about that delicious Barp-barp-pop-pop-pop on the overrun. >> Never tired of it. Trailing-throttle entry to the corner, pick the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > And the backfiring...... > Ahhhh those were the days. Heh. I remember when we bought our first Giulietta, it was summer. The first time we put the choke on, we thought something terminal had happened. We were used tot a Morris Marina though. SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 155 TS Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk Thank you Alfistagi and Steve H. Bill Jackson |
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