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Car Forum / Alfa Romeo Cars / July 2005viewed the 2.0TS - a couple of questions please
Went to see it tonight (see the post earlier). Lovely car, excellent condition inside and out - however, a couple of questions if I may: - there was a high pitched whine coming from the front when going quicker than around 35-40mph. The seller says he thinks its a/the wheel bearing/s. Would a noise like this be consistent with such a problem ? Is it easy to fix (he said he would get it done before I buy) ? Could it be 'covered up' easily only to come back in a few weeks ? There was no 'rumbling'. Doing a quick google, it could be something wrong with the gear box - any thoughts ? - There was no undertray below the engine. Seemed strange to me to be missing - were there models where this was not fitted a standard ? Should I get one put on ?? How much would it cost (if done at the same time as a service - likely in Royston at Jamie's) ? Could this be linked to the above - a bashed gearbox casing ? - passenger airbag light on the dash flashed when starting up - is this normal as the airbag 'arms' ? In general, very nice car, very nice to drive and sounded / felt great. X reg (sept 2000), 75k miles, cambelt etc done at 59k but due a service. £3900 - seem a good deal ? (oh, but no CD player !) >Went to see it tonight (see the post earlier). Lovely car, excellent >condition inside and out - however, a couple of questions if I may: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >X reg (sept 2000), 75k miles, cambelt etc done at 59k but due a service. >£3900 - seem a good deal ? (oh, but no CD player !) Glad you liked it and that the lack of the folding rear seat wasn't a problem. It should have an undertray. If it has gone then it was probably ripped off on a speed-hump or kerb. It should have had either a CD/Radio or Tape/Radio head and option for a multi-changer CD/MD in the rear near boot. The passenger air-bag has a key-slot on the nearside end of the dash and visible with the door open. This needs to be armed/disarmed to allow for child seats. I am sure mine is kept armed and flashes in the binnacle when the ignition is turned and then goes off. Same with doors open, seat-belt warnings. All go off if operating correctly. Don't know about that whine though :-( Pete  Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso Well, I bought it ! Lovely car - great condition, and I think a bargain at £3600..... However, I have since noticed that the iddling is erratic and it judders a little when going steady in traffic. I have done a google groups search, and this appears to be down to several things - often the idle actuator. Any thoughts on how urgent this is to get done, and how much it migh cost ?? Do I need to go to Alfa, or would Jamie be able to help ? (also needs driver airbag resetting). > Well, I bought it ! > Lovely car - great condition, and I think a bargain at £3600..... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > it migh cost ?? Do I need to go to Alfa, or would Jamie be able to help ? > (also needs driver airbag resetting). Mine does that too. Jamies siad that a) It's absolutley nothing to worry about b) Most times it can be fied by cleaning and then resetting the ECU paramaters Personally I just live with it till I get up to him next...... SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk >>Well, I bought it ! >>Lovely car - great condition, and I think a bargain at £3600..... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Personally I just live with it till I get up to him next...... Ah, OK. I'll prob leave it then, unless I'm passing on my way to MK for a meeting.... that way, work pays the petrol! Cheers Catman. >>>Well, I bought it ! >>>Lovely car - great condition, and I think a bargain at £3600..... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Ah, OK. I'll prob leave it then, unless I'm passing on my way to MK for > a meeting.... that way, work pays the petrol! Always good > Cheers Catman. A pleasure, as ever. SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk ps- you were talking about the airbag light weren't you ?? What about the idling problem ?? Judders ? > ps- you were talking about the airbag light weren't you ?? > > What about the idling problem ?? Judders ? Erm, no I was talking about the idling problem. AIUI the airbag (as long as it is operational) can be reset anyways, using the diagnostic computer. Jamie has the diagnostic machine [1] so I can't see any issue [1] I know this cos I was playing with it last time I was up there :) SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk >>ps- you were talking about the airbag light weren't you ?? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > [1] I know this cos I was playing with it last time I was up there :) OK - even better. Cheers. You will find a lot about the erratic idle on other forums ... notably AlfaOwner.com and Alfa156.net. It normally means you to reset the system. This is done by disconnecting the battery for an hour, and reconnect. Turn on the ignition, but don't start the engine, and leave in on position for 90 secs. then turn off for 90 secs. You then start the car WITHOUT touching the accelerator, and leave to idle for about 5-10 minutes. You may need to repeat the 90 second reset a few times. Other problems can be the throttle body is dirty, the MAF (Air Flow Meter is on the way out) or you have leaks in the intake system. The airbag light can only be reset with the Diagnostic software. May be a loose connection under the front seats. ENJOY your 156. I've owned one from new since 1998 and haven't given up loving it even though it's caused me a few nightmares and damaged the bank balance. Jeremy Clarkson is right: You can't be classed as a petrol-head unless you've owned an Alfa!! > Well, I bought it ! > Lovely car - great condition, and I think a bargain at £3600..... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > it migh cost ?? Do I need to go to Alfa, or would Jamie be able to help ? > (also needs driver airbag resetting). > You will find a lot about the erratic idle on other forums ... notably > AlfaOwner.com and Alfa156.net. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You may need to repeat the 90 second reset a few times. Cheers for that Gazza. Might well give it a crack. SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk >>You will find a lot about the erratic idle on other forums ... notably >>AlfaOwner.com and Alfa156.net. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Cheers for that Gazza. Might well give it a crack. yep - a second thanks from me. Will give it a go and report back. >> Cheers for that Gazza. Might well give it a crack. > > yep - a second thanks from me. Will give it a go and report back. Gazza.. just checked out the Alfa156.net tips and it doesn't mention disconnecting the battery - just the key turn proceedure. Is the battery bit necessary ?? Disconnecting the battery will reset the ECU. This appears to remember the idle speed so you are trying to wipe this from its memory. Try the 90 second reset first a couple of times. If that doesn't work, then the battery is the next step. What is important is that you let it idle for long enough without touching the throttle. > >> Cheers for that Gazza. Might well give it a crack. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > disconnecting the battery - just the key turn proceedure. Is the battery > bit necessary ?? > Went to see it tonight (see the post earlier). Lovely car, excellent > condition inside and out - however, a couple of questions if I may: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 'rumbling'. Doing a quick google, it could be something wrong with the > gear box - any thoughts ? Mine does a similar thing (but mine dunt really come in until 50 ish, and is not loud enough to cause me concern) . I suspect it's the diff, but ISTBC. Certainly seems to make no problem at all, but...... If it is the bearings, I very much doubt that that it could be bodged > - There was no undertray below the engine. Seemed strange to me to be > missing - were there models where this was not fitted a standard ? I think they were > Should I get one put on ?? How much would it cost (if done at the same > time as a service - likely in Royston at Jamie's) ? Could this be linked > to the above - a bashed gearbox casing ? Bashed gearbox casing wouldn't cause that noise. No idea on the cost, personally I'd only fit one if I really could be arsed. It only keeps muck off the engine AFAIK > - passenger airbag light on the dash flashed when starting up - is this > normal as the airbag 'arms' ? They should all flash AIUI. Mine do. Including the code light which is rather amusing since the internal immobiliser is no longer active. > In general, very nice car, very nice to drive and sounded / felt great. > X reg (sept 2000), 75k miles, cambelt etc done at 59k but due a service. > £3900 - seem a good deal ? (oh, but no CD player !) Got one if you're interested. OEM Alfa head and boot mounted changer. SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk > Mine does a similar thing (but mine dunt really come in until 50 ish, and > is not loud enough to cause me concern) . I suspect it's the diff, but > ISTBC. Certainly seems to make no problem at all, but...... > If it is the bearings, I very much doubt that that it could be bodged OK. It didn't appear to be anything 'nasty', is you know what I mean. Just not expecting to hear it. Maybe its not worth worrying about then ? If he tries and fails to fix it (thinking its the bearings), I can maybe get more knocked off.... > Bashed gearbox casing wouldn't cause that noise. No idea on the cost, > personally I'd only fit one if I really could be arsed. It only keeps muck > off the engine AFAIK OK. About £70 looking round the net. Maybe get Jamie to put one on when I drop it in for the first service.... > They should all flash AIUI. Mine do. Including the code light which is > rather amusing since the internal immobiliser is no longer active. good good. > Got one if you're interested. OEM Alfa head and boot mounted changer. Hmm.. very interested. How easy are they to fit ? How much ? > > Mine does a similar thing (but mine dunt really come in until 50 > ish, and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If he tries and fails to fix it (thinking its the bearings), I can maybe > get more knocked off.... Works for me > > Bashed gearbox casing wouldn't cause that noise. No idea on the cost, > > personally I'd only fit one if I really could be arsed. It only [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > OK. About £70 looking round the net. Maybe get Jamie to put one on when > I drop it in for the first service.... Indeed. Or even better, ask him what he thinks. > > They should all flash AIUI. Mine do. Including the code light which > > is rather amusing since the internal immobiliser is no longer active. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Hmm.. very interested. How easy are they to fit ? How much ? Well the head should take about 10 minutes. It's only remove the old one and plug the new one in. The changer would need the cable which AIUI should be fitted already, and a bracket. If both are there, again about 10 minutes. If you need to add cable and bracket, then rather longer. IIRC they go on ebay for about £50 the pair. We could probably arange to meet to hand over if that sounds fair. Saves postage. All seems working and certainly sounded OK on the drive back form the dealer until I installed my Blaupunkt DAB kit. SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk > IIRC they go on ebay for about £50 the pair. That's a good price. Trouble is the later (I think 2000-on) cars didn't have the cable installed as standard. It's a bespoke cable at the head end, just to complicate things. Neil - when you get the car, bring it round to me & I can check out the cable, etc for you (and show you all the panels that have been re-sprayed :-) Mark > > Went to see it tonight (see the post earlier). Lovely car, excellent > > condition inside and out - however, a couple of questions if I may: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > If it is the bearings, I very much doubt that that it could be bodged Agreed. > > - There was no undertray below the engine. Seemed strange to me to be > > missing - were there models where this was not fitted a standard ? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > personally I'd only fit one if I really could be arsed. It only keeps muck > off the engine AFAIK No - they're fitted for aerodynamic reasons. So without it you'll get more lift at speed and worse fuel consumption. > > - passenger airbag light on the dash flashed when starting up - is this > > normal as the airbag 'arms' ? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > X reg (sept 2000), 75k miles, cambelt etc done at 59k but due a service. > > £3900 - seem a good deal ? (oh, but no CD player !) Assuming it's a Turismo (base spec) price seems fine for a private sale. Not a bargain, though. Trade is under £2.5k. See http://www.whatcar.co.uk/valuations_Search.asp. Would be worth mentioning whether it's Veloce, Lusso or Turismo spec. According to this, mine is worth £5.7k, private sale - just a tad more than you guessed* :-P Mark *Offline e-mail conversation, if you were wondering. I get all these questions from Neil at work, too :-). > "Catman" <catman@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message <snip> > No - they're fitted for aerodynamic reasons. So without it you'll get more > lift at speed and worse fuel consumption. Ahh, fair point. Is it really going to make *that* much difference though? >> > - passenger airbag light on the dash flashed when starting up - is this >> > normal as the airbag 'arms' ? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > *Offline e-mail conversation, if you were wondering. I get all these > questions from Neil at work, too :-). Get a room ;) SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk > > "Catman" <catman@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message > <snip> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ahh, fair point. Is it really going to make *that* much difference though? If you drive legally in the UK - not much. In Germany - definitely. Worth having to keep the crap out of the engine bay and to prevent buyers knocking the price down when you come to sell. My philosophy is that if it's going to cost you when you sell it, best to pay for it now and enjoy the benefits yourself. Mark >> > "Catman" <catman@rustcuore-sportivo.co.uk> wrote in message >> <snip> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > it's going to cost you when you sell it, best to pay for it now and enjoy > the benefits yourself. Makes sense to me, ta SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk > *Offline e-mail conversation, if you were wondering. I get all these > questions from Neil at work, too :-). Cheers mark. You may not be suprised, but you'll find almost exactly (:)) the same set of questions waiting for you at work this morning !! > > *Offline e-mail conversation, if you were wondering. I get all these > > questions from Neil at work, too :-). > > Cheers mark. You may not be suprised, but you'll find almost exactly > (:)) the same set of questions waiting for you at work this morning !! I did indeed. Neil's looking at this one today, I believe... http://tinyurl.com/96ltj Comments anyone? Looks OK to me. At least it hasn't got a grotesque spoiler :-) Mark >Neil's looking at this one today, I believe... >http://tinyurl.com/96ltj >Comments anyone? Looks OK to me. At least it hasn't got a grotesque spoiler >:-) >Mark I see that it is the Red Key version. Make sure it has 2 that work. That style of seat is Very uncomfortable for me, YMMV. Just be aware that not all have the extending bit under the thighs. Pete Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso > >Neil's looking at this one today, I believe... > >http://tinyurl.com/96ltj [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That style of seat is Very uncomfortable for me, YMMV. > Just be aware that not all have the extending bit under the thighs. I don't like the spoiler or the seats, but that's very personal. I'm usually very wary of stuff that's had aftermarket tat stuck onto it (spoiler, grille). IMHO, the Lusso spec is the better one to go for - that one's a 'Sport' spec. with the bigger wheels and harder suspension. I think harder suspension is the last thing a 156 needs. IMHO, they don't ride anywhere near as well as the 75..... SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Passat 1.8 Turbo SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >> >Neil's looking at this one today, I believe... >> >http://tinyurl.com/96ltj [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I'm usually very wary of stuff that's had aftermarket tat stuck onto it > (spoiler, grille). Spoiler is factory fit, surely? > IMHO, the Lusso spec is the better one to go for - that one's a 'Sport' > spec. with the bigger wheels and harder suspension. I think harder > suspension is the last thing a 156 needs. IMHO, they don't ride anywhere > near as well as the 75..... It can be a little on the comitted side, tis true. SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk > > I don't like the spoiler or the seats, but that's very personal. > > > > I'm usually very wary of stuff that's had aftermarket tat stuck onto it > > (spoiler, grille). > > Spoiler is factory fit, surely? Doesn't look original to me. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Passat 1.8 Turbo SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # > IMHO, the Lusso spec is the better one to go for - that one's a 'Sport' > spec. with the bigger wheels and harder suspension. I think harder I thought the Veloce was that? 20mm lower suspension than usual or something. > > IMHO, the Lusso spec is the better one to go for - that one's a 'Sport' > > spec. with the bigger wheels and harder suspension. I think harder > > I thought the Veloce was that? 20mm lower suspension than usual or > something. Depends on when it was made. Veloce spec came in around July 2000. Before that there were 'sport' pack options, and it gets *very* confusing as no two cars seem to have the same spec. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Passat 1.8 Turbo SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >> IMHO, the Lusso spec is the better one to go for - that one's a 'Sport' >> spec. with the bigger wheels and harder suspension. I think harder > > I thought the Veloce was that? 20mm lower suspension than usual or > something. Tell me about it. If there's a fag end lying in the road I'll drive round it rather than risk scraping the underside... SignatureHalmyre |
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