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Car Forum / Alfa Romeo Cars / October 2005Changing a 2.0TS engine with a 2.4 JTD
Anyone tried this stunt? \Mandal > Anyone tried this stunt? Probably, but it would be a nightmare. You'd need complete fuel system as well as ECU and instruments.  SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk >Probably, but it would be a nightmare. You'd need complete fuel system as >well as ECU and instruments. and one of those special fuel caps that has Diesel written on it :-) Pete Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso don't forget the bigger diameter fill line to go with the Diesel cap...! >>Probably, but it would be a nightmare. You'd need complete fuel system as >>well as ECU and instruments. > > and one of those special fuel caps that has Diesel written on it :-) I *knew* I'd forgotten something SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk > Probably, but it would be a nightmare. You'd need complete fuel system as > well as ECU and instruments. I'm aware, that I need ECU, instruments, fuel system :) - That's why I have teamed up with a Alfa technician. Nobody seen a description on the internet? \Mandal >> Probably, but it would be a nightmare. You'd need complete fuel system >> as well as ECU and instruments. > > I'm aware, that I need ECU, instruments, fuel system :) - That's why I > have teamed up with a Alfa technician. OK, so why? > Nobody seen a description on the internet? SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk >>> Probably, but it would be a nightmare. You'd need complete fuel system >>> as well as ECU and instruments. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >OK, so why? Only one reason surely - he has a 2.0TS with an engine that was run with no oil and a 2.4JTD with a smashed body? SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >>>> Probably, but it would be a nightmare. You'd need complete fuel system >>>> as well as ECU and instruments. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Only one reason surely - he has a 2.0TS with an engine that was run > with no oil and a 2.4JTD with a smashed body? Personally I'd need a much better reason.... SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk > Only one reason surely - he has a 2.0TS with an engine that was run > with no oil and a 2.4JTD with a smashed body? Nope - has a perfectly running 2.0TS just as i wanted it - but need diesel due to transportation cost etc. Buying a 2.4 Diesel i way to expensive in Denmark, unfortunately (cost more that 10.000 Euro extra than my own - same year, but without my personal "modifications" :D ). \Mandal >> Only one reason surely - he has a 2.0TS with an engine that was run >> with no oil and a 2.4JTD with a smashed body? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Denmark, unfortunately (cost more that 10.000 Euro extra than my own - same >year, but without my personal "modifications" :D ). Over here (UK), you can buy pretty good 2.4JTDs for less than 7000 Euro. Is it some kind of Danish tax thing that makes the 2.4 so expensive or is demand for these in Denmark just very high? SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) > Over here (UK), you can buy pretty good 2.4JTDs for less than 7000 > Euro. Is it some kind of Danish tax thing that makes the 2.4 so > expensive or is demand for these in Denmark just very high? The problem is danish taxes (app. 180%!). I.e. a new 156 GTA cost around 100.000 Euro over here. \MAndal Probably a lot cheaper to buy one .... you'll end up changing more than just the engine/gearbox .... electronics, suspension, exhaust, suspension/engine crossmember, ....... Gazza > Anyone tried this stunt? > > \Mandal I would change the complete car; must be chaper, at least easier...... SignatureCiao from The Netherlands alfistagj (aka Gert-Jan) GT 2.0JTS (2005) Montreal 2.6V8 (1973/4) > Anyone tried this stunt? > > \Mandal >I would change the complete car; must be chaper, at least easier...... Unfortunately not in Denmark :( \Mandal >>I would change the complete car; must be chaper, at least easier...... > > Unfortunately not in Denmark :( Why not? What about buying one from outside Denmark and importing it? Gazza > >I would change the complete car; must be chaper, at least easier...... > > Unfortunately not in Denmark :( > > \Mandal > What about buying one from outside Denmark and importing it? I have to pay 180% in taxes :( \Mandal Instead of moving engine and associated from 2.4JTD to 2.0TS, move the chassis number from 2.0TS to 2.4JTD :-) >I would change the complete car; must be chaper, at least easier...... >> Anyone tried this stunt? >> >> \Mandal > Instead of moving engine and associated from 2.4JTD to 2.0TS, move the > chassis number from 2.0TS to 2.4JTD :-) Potentieally that is eqaul to 1½ years behind bars and a 20.000 Euro fine. \Mandal well you would have 1½ year to save that amount wouldn't you ;-( SignatureCiao from The Netherlands alfistagj (aka Gert-Jan) GT 2.0 JTS (2005) Montreal 2.6V8 (1973/4) >> Instead of moving engine and associated from 2.4JTD to 2.0TS, move the >> chassis number from 2.0TS to 2.4JTD :-) > > Potentieally that is eqaul to 1½ years behind bars and a 20.000 Euro fine. > > \Mandal >Anyone tried this stunt? Lunacy. There is no way any 2.0TS is worth this conversion when you can go and source a complete 2.4JTD for not much money now. Apart from gutting the mechanicals (engine/gearbox/fuel system), you'd need replacement dashboard instruments to show the different revs and the glow plug warning light (I think). Then there's the higher current electrical system..etc.etc. The job would be endless.. SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) > Lunacy. There is no way any 2.0TS is worth this conversion when you > can go and source a complete 2.4JTD for not much money now. Ever tried bying a Car in Denmark? A 11/1998 (same as mine) 2.4 having run 133.000 km costs around 22.000 Euro! The sales price for my own is extreme low due to high kilometers (242.000) all though the car is almost perfect (app. 12.000 Euro). The 10.000 Euro difference easely covers a "conversion" (I think). \Mandal >> Lunacy. There is no way any 2.0TS is worth this conversion when you >> can go and source a complete 2.4JTD for not much money now. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > (app. 12.000 Euro). The 10.000 Euro difference easely covers a > "conversion" (I think). You know. I think you're in for a shock. We dropped a V6 into a Giulietta. It cost less than that, but not much and is a much *MUCH* simpler job...... SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk > You know. I think you're in for a shock. We dropped a V6 into a > Giulietta. > It cost less than that, but not much and is a much *MUCH* simpler > job...... My Alfa technician has offered to make the conversion for 1500 Euro. I just need a spare car. But maybe we have to reconsidder. Regards \Mandal >> You know. I think you're in for a shock. We dropped a V6 into a >> Giulietta. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > My Alfa technician has offered to make the conversion for 1500 Euro. I > just need a spare car. Bloody *hell* > But maybe we have to reconsidder. For that price, *I'd* do it...... In fact, if I bring it over, how long does he think it will take? SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk > >> You know. I think you're in for a shock. We dropped a V6 into a > >> Giulietta. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > In fact, if I bring it over, how long does he think it will take? I think the 2.4 JTD has a fair number of *other* differences compared to a 2.0TS, e.g. brakes and suspension, which are more like the 2.5 V6. D A Stocks >> >> You know. I think you're in for a shock. We dropped a V6 into a >> >> Giulietta. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I think the 2.4 JTD has a fair number of *other* differences compared to a > 2.0TS, e.g. brakes and suspension, which are more like the 2.5 V6. I'm bloody sure it does, but I want a JTD and for that price..... SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk > I think the 2.4 JTD has a fair number of *other* differences compared to a > 2.0TS, e.g. brakes and suspension, which are more like the 2.5 V6. My 2.0TS is equipped with sports brakes and adjustable suspension. Iøm not going to change these :D \Mandal <snip> >I think the 2.4 JTD has a fair number of *other* differences compared to a >2.0TS, e.g. brakes and suspension, which are more like the 2.5 V6. IIRC, the brakes and suspension options were the same for the 2.0, 2.4 and 2.5 - which is one reason the extra weight of the 2.4 and 2.5 caused them to suffer too much wallowing on UK roads. SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >>Lunacy. There is no way any 2.0TS is worth this conversion when you >>can go and source a complete 2.4JTD for not much money now. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > \Mandal Assuming your conversion costs 10,000 euros; how many miles of diesel motoring are you going to have to do before you recoup your costs? -- Halmyre ceci n'est pas un signature |
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