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Car Forum / Alfa Romeo Cars / December 2005

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Suspension Stuff!

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Ross - 20 Dec 2005 16:44 GMT
Hi All

Has anybody had any suspension problems on GT's yet? Some of you must have
done a few miles by now?

I've been considering changing my 147(2002) next spring for a GT, but 5
weeks ago I had to spend £300 for a new front anti-roll bar and link arms,
and today, another £200 on an o/s lower wishbone...and the car hasn't done
30k miles yet!

I really hadn't expected to spend this sort of money on things that on other
cars have lasted an awful lot longer, and I'm wondering if I'll end up with
the same issues on a GT, as I believe it's essentially the same chassis.

Any comments would be welcome.

Regards
Ross
Zathras - 20 Dec 2005 21:32 GMT
>Hi All
>
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>
>Any comments would be welcome.

I'm not surprised at your suspension experiences! Mine has been
surprisingly pricey on the suspension too.

I'd be surprised if the GT is much better..the claims of Alfa, Alfa
salesmen and journalists as to the 'quality' of the 156 on launch are
too similar to the quality assurances I'm seeing now for the newer
Alfas. When/if I buy another Alfa, I'll be using more of my experience
and rather less of the hope and wishful thinking!

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Z
Scotland
Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather
'Oil' be seeing you..
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SimonC - 21 Dec 2005 08:27 GMT
I can speak the same as Zathras.

My 156 2.4JTD had the front suspension rebuilt within 10k miles and has
continued to have replacement bushes ever since.

Even the rear suspension seems to be giving me grief at the moment, but
the dealer is convinced everything is OK.

I still believe that the engine in the 2.4JTD is far to heavy for the
suspension setup, which was probably designed around the relatively
lightweight 2.0l.

Cheers
Simon C
Zathras - 21 Dec 2005 08:43 GMT
>I still believe that the engine in the 2.4JTD is far to heavy for the
>suspension setup, which was probably designed around the relatively
>lightweight 2.0l.

..correct..it was! The REAL problem was Alfa built the suspension for
mainland Europe (their main market after all) which does not have the
low frequency bumps that are commonplace in the UK. In the UK, this
design/testing decision shows up as premature suspension wear as well
as poor body control. Alfa don't uniquely suffer from this in the UK
BTW.

As I don't believe the current hype I'll be testing the 159 over some
challenging roads before coming to any final conclusions.

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Z
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Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather
'Oil' be seeing you..
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GT - 21 Dec 2005 12:08 GMT
>I can speak the same as Zathras.
>
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> suspension setup, which was probably designed around the relatively
> lightweight 2.0l.

My 156 is now 3 years old. Its the 2.0 petrol (JTS) and the suspension has
needed work at every service. So far they have been under warranty, but I'll
be on my own from now on. Rear bushes have been replaced every year and
other bits had worn. About time we got some new roads in this country. The
only new tarmac round here is the big square lumps in the road that you have
to drive over. Traffic calming - huh - I don't know anyone that feels calm
after driving over them!
Steve Byatt - 21 Dec 2005 13:23 GMT
Likewise... asked the dealer every time I had the car (156 GTA) serviced to
check the suspension. Told them that it was noisy and on past experience it
would mean that at least the bushes needed replacing. Every time they told
me that they could find nothing wrong... until it went back for its first
visit outside warranty. Guess what? They told me that the suspension was
"noisy" and needed attention. I've long since given up being surprised. Like
other people on this group- my excitement at the 159 or Brera is tempered by
what a totally frustrating experience it can be delaing with dealers (and
I'm now on my 8th Alfa). I remember taking this car back shortly after I got
it to report that the door opener kept sticking- despite best efforts with
WD40. The service manager told me that "they all do this so learn to live
with it." I fetched the sales manager who had sold me the car and asked the
srvice manager to repeat what he'd told me. I then asked the salesman how
many cars did he think he would sell if he said "oh- and by the way, the
door handles won't work after you've had the car a couple of weeks. But
don't worry- they all do it". His response? "Oh yes- they do on mine as
well." Trouble is, smartarse, I have to pay for mine and I haven't got a
garage full of spare cars I can help myself to every time it goes wrong. I
have to make a mile round trip.. normally once for them to agree that
something needs fixing, then again to get the car in and (on 3 occasions)
another trip because they ran out of time on the day I booked it in, butthey
forgot to ring me. I'm getting very close to calling it a day I'm afraid.
Ross - 22 Dec 2005 15:11 GMT
I've long since given up being surprised. Like
> other people on this group- my excitement at the 159 or Brera is tempered
> by what a totally frustrating experience it can be delaing with dealers
> (and I'm now on my 8th Alfa).

I think I'm one of the lucky ones when it comes to dealers, I've found
Northgate in Canterbury very good... not cheap, but what main dealer is
these days!

To be fair, when I moaned about the suspension they didn't charge me any
labour for fitting the wishbone that I had replaced, as they had recently
taken it apart to fit other bits. The car is out of warranty so they could
easily have done

It's things like that that make me more inclined to take a chance on another
Alfa.

Regards
Ross
Ross - 22 Dec 2005 15:11 GMT
> My 156 is now 3 years old. Its the 2.0 petrol (JTS) and the suspension has
> needed work at every service. So far they have been under warranty, but
> I'll be on my own from now on. Rear bushes have been replaced every year
> and other bits had worn.

Oh yeah, that reminds me, some rear bushes were changed in my 147 too,
fortunately that was under warranty!

Oh well, thanks for your thoughts folks,...I was hoping for something more
positive to try and convince myself that a GT was the right way to
go...perhaps if I can change it after 3 years before the warranty runs
out...! :-/

Regards
Ross
Stephen Poley - 22 Dec 2005 16:49 GMT
>I can speak the same as Zathras.
>
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>Even the rear suspension seems to be giving me grief at the moment, but
>the dealer is convinced everything is OK.

You guys are starting to worry me. Have I been excessively lucky with my
146's? Between them they have only let me down once in nine years. And
maintenance costs for the last few years have practically been at
Japanese shopping-trolley level (apart from tyres and a timing belt,
which remain expensive but are predictable). Is the 159 on order going
to try and rectify my average?

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Zathras - 22 Dec 2005 20:01 GMT
>You guys are starting to worry me. Have I been excessively lucky with my
>146's? Between them they have only let me down once in nine years. And
>maintenance costs for the last few years have practically been at
>Japanese shopping-trolley level (apart from tyres and a timing belt,
>which remain expensive but are predictable). Is the 159 on order going
>to try and rectify my average?

I remember seeing a magazine article comparing running costs of about
100 cars. IIRC, the 156 was as expensive as a Porsche Boxter. I've now
come to the conclusion that the Boxter is a VERY expensive car to
own..  :-(

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Z
Scotland
Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather
'Oil' be seeing you..
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Pete - 22 Dec 2005 20:38 GMT
>You guys are starting to worry me. Have I been excessively lucky with my
>146's?
AFAIK
The crap rear bushes started off in the 156 when demand picked up and
they used a second supplier (2000 ish). Main Dealer service dept tell
me that they were changing 3 out of 5 cars under warranty at one
point. ISTR that AR changed the supplier and compound about 2003.

Pete
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GT - 23 Dec 2005 15:58 GMT
>>You guys are starting to worry me. Have I been excessively lucky with my
>>146's?
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> me that they were changing 3 out of 5 cars under warranty at one
> point. ISTR that AR changed the supplier and compound about 2003.

I bought my 156 in Jan 2003 and (at least) the rear bushes have been
replaced every year (every service) since then! Don't think my dealer is
using the newer ones!

Why don't alfa just make the parts more robust?!?
ts86 - 22 Dec 2005 21:36 GMT
> Hi All
>
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>
> Any comments would be welcome.

Pretty normal.
"Suspension always goes" is what our local specialist (AlfaRama) says.

We have a 156 JTD.
Tom - 22 Dec 2005 22:01 GMT
yep - 03 147 rear bushes changed under warranty at 24k service.

Juddering from the back sounds like something will need doing next time -
but it'll be out of the warranty by then.

tom
 
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