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Can you give me your feed back about the neww159. >Can you give me your feed back about the neww159. If you check the archive for the group, you'll see there isn't much feedback to give yet. However I drove one for half an hour and was sufficiently impressed to order one. Was there something special you wanted to know?  SignatureStephen Poley >>Can you give me your feed back about the neww159. > > If you check the archive for the group, you'll see there isn't much > feedback to give yet. However I drove one for half an hour and was > sufficiently impressed to order one. Was there something special you > wanted to know? I'm extremely impressed with them, build quality looks superb and they've addressed pretty much everything that was an issue with the 156, ie suspension, variators, timing belts, gearboxes etc etc >I'm extremely impressed with them, build quality looks superb and they've >addressed pretty much everything that was an issue with the 156, ie >suspension, variators, timing belts, gearboxes etc etc er..correction..they *claim* they have! ;-) SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >>I'm extremely impressed with them, build quality looks superb and they've >>addressed pretty much everything that was an issue with the 156, ie >>suspension, variators, timing belts, gearboxes etc etc > > er..correction..they *claim* they have! ;-) well having seen most of the above in pieces I'd have to agree with their "claims" :) Well, my 2000 156SW which I drove until this Febraury had absolutely no problem over 165.000km (100.000mi), only oil, tyres and brake pads. My present GT prooves they have gone even further. So the 159 will meet that at least. >>I'm extremely impressed with them, build quality looks superb and they've >>addressed pretty much everything that was an issue with the 156, ie >>suspension, variators, timing belts, gearboxes etc etc > > er..correction..they *claim* they have! ;-) > Well, my 2000 156SW which I drove until this Febraury had absolutely no > problem over 165.000km (100.000mi), only oil, tyres and brake pads. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> er..correction..they *claim* they have! ;-) well the GT has a few refinements over 147/156 designs, however the 159 has radical rethinks on most of the major trouble causing problems of its predecessors, ie suspension is totally diffrerent, variators are totally different, no petrol timing belts etc etc >well the GT has a few refinements over 147/156 designs, however the 159 has >radical rethinks on most of the major trouble causing problems of its >predecessors, ie suspension is totally diffrerent, variators are totally >different, no petrol timing belts etc etc 'Different' doesn't automatically mean 'better'. In fact 'different' is one of the reasons I wait a couple of years after launch of a new model so the manufacturer actually has a handle on the teething troubles. No manufacturer tests like thousands of customers do all over the world. Anyway, their parts supply chain is still very dodgy (part on order for a month and no sign yet - and I'm not alone) so some things are not obviously changing for the better. Alfa assured me four and a half years ago that their poor parts supply was a thing of the past and that the 156 was built to German standards - experience now tells me to take *everything* Alfa says with a pinch of salt. YMMV! SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >Anyway, their parts supply chain is still very dodgy (part on order >for a month and no sign yet - and I'm not alone) so some things are >not obviously changing for the better. Alfa assured me four and a half >years ago that their poor parts supply was a thing of the past and >that the 156 was built to German standards - experience now tells me >to take *everything* Alfa says with a pinch of salt. Yep. Like waiting 12 weeks for a front door hinge that sheered off under warranty less than 10K miles on the road. OK so maybe the weld could have failed on any make, but 12 weeks to even obtain the part for there most popular model? That is not service to smile at. Pete Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso > Yep. Like waiting 12 weeks for a front door hinge that sheered off > under warranty less than 10K miles on the road. OK so maybe the weld > could have failed on any make, but 12 weeks to even obtain the part > for there most popular model? That is not service to smile at. I waited 9 months for a centre head rest cover (the car was supplied without a centre head rest even though it was part of the specification). No doubt they were waiting for a cow of the right colour... Having said that I have found my local Alfa dealer (Simonstone) to be extremely helpful and have given good customer service. The parts supply is out of their control. Zathras said the following on 25.12.2005 22:57: > On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:02:16 GMT, "Spark" <sparkmcr@hotmail.com> > Anyway, their parts supply chain is still very dodgy (part on order > for a month and no sign yet - and I'm not alone) so some things are > not obviously changing for the better. Alfa assured me four and a half > years ago that their poor parts supply was a thing of the past and > that the 156 was built to German standards - experience now tells me > to take *everything* Alfa says with a pinch of salt. Is that Alfa who says or your local importer? Antti 156 V6 >Zathras said the following on 25.12.2005 22:57: >> On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:02:16 GMT, "Spark" <sparkmcr@hotmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >Is that Alfa who says or your local importer? Both. The UK importer is Alfa UK. SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) > 'Different' doesn't automatically mean 'better'. No this is true, however for instnace the design of the new type twin variators stops them from rattling which is the only problem they ever suffered from. >Well, my 2000 156SW which I drove until this Febraury had absolutely no >problem over 165.000km (100.000mi), only oil, tyres and brake pads. >My present GT prooves they have gone even further. Strange! I always thought you were the Gert-Jan who posted numerous posts in 2001 about the 'V-Max' problems of a 1.8SW? There's even a website dedicated to it here: http://go.to/mysportwagon ;-) SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) Spark said the following on 24.12.2005 18:05: > I'm extremely impressed with them, build quality looks superb and they've > addressed pretty much everything that was an issue with the 156, ie > suspension, variators, timing belts, gearboxes etc etc Suspension bushes has been the only issue in my 156s, gearbox?? whats wrong with it? Antti 156 V6 >Spark said the following on 24.12.2005 18:05: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Suspension bushes has been the only issue in my 156s, gearbox?? whats >wrong with it? Selespeed perhaps? SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >>Suspension bushes has been the only issue in my 156s, Suspension bushes are completely redesigned, although if you have the later modified type rear suspension bushes on your 156/147 then you're unlikely to have a problem anyway >>>Suspension bushes has been the only issue in my 156s, > > Suspension bushes are completely redesigned, although if you have the > later modified type rear suspension bushes on your 156/147 then you're > unlikely to have a problem anyway Do you know when the change was made on 147's? Regards Ross >>>>Suspension bushes has been the only issue in my 156s, >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Regards > Ross I'd hazard a guess and say anything made in the last 10 months maybe >>> Suspension bushes are completely redesigned, although if you have the >>> later modified type rear suspension bushes on your 156/147 then you're >>> unlikely to have a problem anyway >> >> Do you know when the change was made on 147's? > I'd hazard a guess and say anything made in the last 10 months maybe Oh, right, so that would be the facelifted 147's? I thought(hopped?) you meant there were better components available for older cars. The latest 147 has much softer suspension all round, which presumably would give bushes an easier time. Regards Ross >>>> Suspension bushes are completely redesigned, although if you have the >>>> later modified type rear suspension bushes on your 156/147 then you're [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Regards > Ross any replacement bushes you buy now should be the modified ones, they fit all across the range, the facelift is just that... a facelift, not sure where you get the idea they are softer from though.... >> Oh, right, so that would be the facelifted 147's? I thought(hopped?) you >> meant there were better components available for older cars. >> >> The latest 147 has much softer suspension all round, which presumably >> would >> give bushes an easier time. > any replacement bushes you buy now should be the modified ones, they fit > all across the range, the facelift is just that... a facelift, not sure > where you get the idea they are softer from though.... No, the suspension was 'revised' too...I think Alfa even describe it as 'comfort' in some literature...the facelifted model doesn't crash and bang through potholes as bad as the older model, but to me, seems to have lost its sharp 'edge' a bit, because it's softer. I assume the bushes aren't softer...I think it's softer springs and dampers that account for the change. Regards Ross |
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