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Car Forum / Alfa Romeo Cars / February 2006Selenia Racing oil
Does I really need the Selenia Racing oil in the 2.0 JTS engine or is normal 10w40 (GTX or whatever) OK? The manual says Selenia Racing 10w60, but the only place I can get oil of that weight is the Alfa garage and hard for me to get to during working hours. On top of that, it is significantly more expensive than normal oil. > Does I really need the Selenia Racing oil in the 2.0 JTS engine or is normal > 10w40 (GTX or whatever) OK? The manual says Selenia Racing 10w60, but the > only place I can get oil of that weight is the Alfa garage and hard for me > to get to during working hours. On top of that, it is significantly more > expensive than normal oil. I use Castrol 10w40 GTX GTX in my Alfa 147 2.0 TS w/o any problems... BTW, c/o http://www.ew2.lubesinfo.com/login.asp?sc=1156 for recommended oil types for your car.  SignatureStephen Marriott - steve@c4d.co.uk ICQ: 29793027 Yahoo: sjmariota MSN: steve@c4d.co.uk AIM: sjmariota http://mygallery.stephenmarriott.com/ >> Does I really need the Selenia Racing oil in the 2.0 JTS engine or is >> normal 10w40 (GTX or whatever) OK? The manual says Selenia Racing 10w60, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I use Castrol 10w40 GTX GTX in my Alfa 147 2.0 TS w/o any problems... Yes, alfa recommend Selenia 20k (10w40) for the twin spark engine, but they recommend Selenia Racing (which is 10w60) for the JTS engine. I just wondered if I could 'get away' with the cheaper, more common stuff. >>> Does I really need the Selenia Racing oil in the 2.0 JTS engine or is >>> normal 10w40 (GTX or whatever) OK? The manual says Selenia Racing 10w60, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >recommend Selenia Racing (which is 10w60) for the JTS engine. I just >wondered if I could 'get away' with the cheaper, more common stuff. I'll defer to anyone here with expertise on the subject, but I'd suggest that you only need the 10w60 if you frequently push the car really hard, or if you're in the habit of driving to southern Spain (or somewhere similarly hot) in the summer. SignatureStephen Poley >I'll defer to anyone here with expertise on the subject, but I'd suggest >that you only need the 10w60 if you frequently push the car really hard, >or if you're in the habit of driving to southern Spain (or somewhere >similarly hot) in the summer. A question that gets asked very often here and has been answered in great depth and generated much debate. See all our many thoughts by using Google, group:alt.autos.alfa-romeo insubject:Selenia or just take on board one point. Is this car used for Track Days? If the answer is no and you live in northern Europe then you should not be putting Racing Oil in the car. You are advised to use the same type of oil as has been used previously. Do NOT mix types of oil. If it has been run on Fully Synth oil, continue. If it has been run on semi-synth, continue. The reason that AR recommends Selenia Oils is that it is owned by FIAT :-) If you ask at many AR UK dealers you will find huge drums of Castrol "because we get a better price on it" is what I was told. HTH Pete Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso >>I'll defer to anyone here with expertise on the subject, but I'd suggest >>that you only need the 10w60 if you frequently push the car really hard, >>or if you're in the habit of driving to southern Spain (or somewhere >>similarly hot) in the summer. >A question that gets asked very often here and has been answered in >great depth and generated much debate. See all our many thoughts by >using Google, group:alt.autos.alfa-romeo insubject:Selenia (Exaggerating just a tad I think - I read everything Google had to offer in about three minutes. But no matter.) >or just take on board one point. >Is this car used for Track Days? >If the answer is no and you live in northern Europe then you should >not be putting Racing Oil in the car. That you need not do so - fine, that's what I thought. But "should not"? Why is that? That wasn't stated in any of the previous threads. >You are advised to use the same type of oil as has been used >previously. Do NOT mix types of oil. If it has been run on Fully >Synth oil, continue. If it has been run on semi-synth, continue. Again - why not? That was also not stated in the the previous threads. Clearly, topping-up with a lower grade will gradually degrade the quality, but why is synthetic topped up with semi-synth worse than all semi-synth? >The reason that AR recommends Selenia Oils is that it is owned by >FIAT :-) Yep - I'd worked that one out. ;-) >If you ask at many AR UK dealers you will find huge drums of >Castrol "because we get a better price on it" is what I was told. Never asked my own dealer what he uses - I've made a note to do so. Until recently my 146 only used about half a litre between services, so it didn't seem of crucial importance. It still uses less than a litre. SignatureStephen Poley >(Exaggerating just a tad I think - I read everything Google had to offer >in about three minutes. But no matter.) Sorry that you think it exaggerated but my error was to suggest the search should be on Selenia. Try Oil as a subject too, and see the answers to the other questions you raised. Pete Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso >>(Exaggerating just a tad I think - I read everything Google had to offer >>in about three minutes. But no matter.) > >Sorry that you think it exaggerated but my error was to suggest the >search should be on Selenia. Try Oil as a subject too, Ah, that does indeed make rather a difference! ... >and see the >answers to the other questions you raised. ... however, after the best part of an hour's reading I am none the wiser as to either why one should not use synthetic oil (the archive seems to give more pro- than anti-synthetic posts, though precious little in the way of actual evidence either way) nor why synthetic topped up with semi-synthetic is worse than all semi-synthetic. Could you cast some light? SignatureStephen Poley >... however, after the best part of an hour's reading I am none the >wiser as to either why one should not use synthetic oil (the archive >seems to give more pro- than anti-synthetic posts, though precious >little in the way of actual evidence either way) nor why synthetic >topped up with semi-synthetic is worse than all semi-synthetic. Could >you cast some light? Personally, no. I am not an engineer. It appears that the Fully Synth "burns" quicker than Semi-synth. Adding semi-synth to a fully synth oiled engine would mean that you were adding "good old oil" to an engine that had not used it before. If the car had always been run on semi-synth then all the parts will have meshed together to run at the tolerances that the semi allowed. There certainly were many cries of "my 156TS is burning oil". When people were pointed toward other equally modern engines from other marques there did not seem to be much difference. Still the fact remained that a significant number of owners appeared unhappy with the frequency that they were having to top-up the oil. It did seem as though possibly the suggestion of changing the oil to Semi-synthetic was to address this issue. IIRC this was around the time of the change from the TS to the JTS. My own experience was that (as expected) my new TS engines did drink a fair amount of oil for the first 5-10K miles. Since when there didn't seem to be the need more than a casual eye. Pete Signature<iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso It may not be strictly relevant but I use 10/60 in my quite highly tuned 75 V6 . I buy Miller`s Oils - fully synthetic - and I don`t think the price is unreasonable . Certainly less than Selenia and vastly less than Agiip . The 1750 will soon rise again . Until it brakes - again .Phil >>... however, after the best part of an hour's reading I am none the >>wiser as to either why one should not use synthetic oil (the archive [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Pete |
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