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Car Forum / Alfa Romeo Cars / April 2006How much?!
A bit of an announcement: I've sold my 156 after 3.5 years with it. Tough decision, but the other half found the family car, a 406 estate, too big. So I got her an Audi A2 (great car by the way), and I'm taking on the 406. Also, as pointed out elsewhere, I'm expecting 156 values to drop with the 159 coming out. I expect this will be gradual over the next year but will hit hard by this time in 2007. So I thought it would be a good time move my "investment" elsewhere, so to speak. I still have my Alfasud, so no-one can accuse me of giving up on the marque... Anyway, to get to the point, I thought it would be a bit of a laugh for people to guess what I got for it :-). It's a 99/T 156 2.0 TS Sport Pack 1, in Proteo Metallic red, fAsh (including cambelt change at 5 years), and only 36.6k miles. Standard apart from a CD/MP3 changer. Sold privately for cash this week, in E. Anglia. Go on, what do you reckon I got? There will be much kudos for the person who gets the closest... NC is disqualified from guessing as he has (or should have) the answer already. Mark > A bit of an announcement: I've sold my 156 after 3.5 years with it. Tough > decision, but the other half found the family car, a 406 estate, too big. So [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Mark £4750! > > A bit of an announcement: I've sold my 156 after 3.5 years with it. Tough > > decision, but the other half found the family car, a 406 estate, too big. So [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > £4750! That'd have been nice! Would you have paid this? Have I missed out? :-) Nowhere near. Mark >£4750! ROFLOL not even with fake 2001 plates Pete -- <iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso > A bit of an announcement: I've sold my 156 after 3.5 years with it. Tough > decision, but the other half found the family car, a 406 estate, too big. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > NC is disqualified from guessing as he has (or should have) the answer > already. £2501  SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk > > Go on, what do you reckon I got? There will be much kudos for the person > > who gets the closest... > > £2501 Miles away. Arctic. Mark > Anyway, to get to the point, I thought it would be a bit of a laugh for > people to guess what I got for it :-). It's a 99/T 156 2.0 TS Sport Pack 1, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Go on, what do you reckon I got? There will be much kudos for the person who > gets the closest... Considering the very low miles and presuming you feel you got a decent price to be prepared to talk about it! £3450 ? > > Anyway, to get to the point, I thought it would be a bit of a laugh for > > people to guess what I got for it :-). It's a 99/T 156 2.0 TS Sport Pack 1, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Considering the very low miles and presuming you feel you got a decent > price to be prepared to talk about it! £3450 ? Getting warmer... >> Considering the very low miles and presuming you feel you got a decent >> price to be prepared to talk about it! £3450 ? > > Getting warmer... £3650? > >> Considering the very low miles and presuming you feel you got a decent > >> price to be prepared to talk about it! £3450 ? > > > > Getting warmer... > > £3650? Warmer still >>>> Considering the very low miles and presuming you feel you got a decent >>>> price to be prepared to talk about it! £3450 ? >>> Getting warmer... >> £3650? > > Warmer still £3800? > >>>> Considering the very low miles and presuming you feel you got a decent > >>>> price to be prepared to talk about it! £3450 ? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > £3800? Keep going... Mark >>>>>> Considering the very low miles and presuming you feel you got a > decent [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Keep going... Getting bored now... :) £3950 > >>>>>> Considering the very low miles and presuming you feel you got a > > decent [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > £3950 Jesus. How the hell did that happen? SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Fiat Marea 20v HLX - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # > >>>>>> Considering the very low miles and presuming you feel you got a > > decent [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > £3950 You win - I got £3900, which is bang on the Parkers mileage adjusted price for the SP1 version. Unfortunately the SP1/2 versions are not covered in the printed version of Parkers, but they can be found online. The base price in the printed version applies to the 2.0 TS base model, without lowered suspension, 15" not 16" wheels, etc. Parkers doesn't help by not covering the range fully in print. Pointing out the online information definitely helped, as well as the excellent condition of the car. People are prepared to pay a premium for low mileage cars. In this case it was £480 extra over a 60k car, which was £3420 according to Parkers (mine: 99/T 2.0 TS 16V S1 36k miles). Bearing in mind the cambelt has been done relatively recently, the new owner has little to worry about on the car over the next few years apart from wear and tear items like tyres, brakes, suspension bushes. I sold it to the 3rd viewer within 10 days of first uploading my ad to Autotrader. The first couple were expecting their 1st baby and weren't even sure they wanted a 156. They had a 146Ti and were considering a Nissan Primera or Mazda 626 as well as the 156. Claimed to want another Alfa so I showed them how well pushchairs were swallowed by the boot. The 2nd chap was only aware of the Parkers printed price, so he thought I was asking over the odds at £3995 (including CD/MP3 changer) until I mentioned that this was a higher spec version covered online only. His budget was in the low £3ks I think and I didn't hear from him again. Both these people claimed to be serious enough to warrant a test drive. The eventual buyer had a budget of £3k, so he claimed, but obviously fell for the car, and it was then just a matter of negotiating him up to as close as possible to my asking price. If you do a search of Autotrader, there are very few 156s that have done under 40k miles on offer below £4k. OTOH I went to Colchester car auction a couple of weeks ago and there were a few high mileage 156s that didn't sell, so presumably they didn't even meet trade price (I didn't see them go through, though). If you're prepared to spend a few hundred on belts, bushes, brakes, variator, etc I reckon there are some real bargains to be had, especially if you know your what to look for, as the trade is still a little wary of them. Mark > > >>>>>> Considering the very low miles and presuming you feel you got a > > > decent [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > You win - I got £3900 Bloody hell. That's insane. 12 months ago we paid £2800 for a '99V 2lt TSpark 'Lusso'. Yes, it had significantly higher mileage (102k miles), but they changed the belts and front drop links etc. when they got it in. We also got a 12 month warranty. You did well. B'stard. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Fiat Marea 20v HLX - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # > > > >>>>>> Considering the very low miles and presuming you feel you got a > > > > decent [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > 12 months ago we paid £2800 for a '99V 2lt TSpark 'Lusso'. That's odd. In 98/99 the Lusso pack only applied to the 1.8 (just checked my old brochures, call me an anorak if you like :-). Lusso added climate and a few other bits on the standard 1.8. Yours is either a base model 2.0 (which was well loaded anyway) or an early 2000 model Lusso. I'm not sure of the exact cut-over, but according to Parkers the 2.0 Lusso wasn't available until 2000/W. > Yes, it had significantly higher mileage (102k miles), but they changed > the belts and front drop links etc. when they got it in. Parkers says yours is worth ~£2.3k now @ 102k miles, valued on the same basis as mine. Assuming it's the base model 2.0. > We also got a 12 month warranty. > > You did well. > > B'stard. Thanks :-). But look at the mileage as years of motoring and yours had done 5-6 years more than mine. Whatever the reality about 100k+ cars, very few people will buy them until their mileage has been "corrected" and service history "lost". IYSWIM. It sounds like you got a good deal, but the downside it that you'll get peanuts for yours when you sell it, if you can find a buyer. Which is fine if you want to keep it a few years, as depreciation is limited to £2.8k max, and you get to drive a nice car for a few years. I went through this with a 164 2.0TS. Bought for £4k in '97 with 90k, but had to PX it to get rid of it as no-one ever called when I advertised it at a fair price with 121k miles 3 years later. Mark > > Bloody hell. That's insane. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > exact cut-over, but according to Parkers the 2.0 Lusso wasn't available > until 2000/W. AFAIK it's a Lusso - it's the one with wooden trim and climate - which isn't base model 156 spec. > > Yes, it had significantly higher mileage (102k miles), but they changed > > the belts and front drop links etc. when they got it in. > > Parkers says yours is worth ~£2.3k now @ 102k miles, valued on the same > basis as mine. Assuming it's the base model 2.0. Parkers is wrong. Very, *very* wrong. I'd be lucky to get £2k back for mine now. Probably even less. > > We also got a 12 month warranty. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > people will buy them until their mileage has been "corrected" and service > history "lost". IYSWIM. True, but it's where you find the best bargains. > It sounds like you got a good deal, but the downside it that you'll get > peanuts for yours when you sell it, if you can find a buyer. Which is fine [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > as no-one ever called when I advertised it at a fair price with 121k miles 3 > years later. *shrugs* You took a chance on pricing your car at an obscene price and were lucky enough to find a mug punter to buy it off you. In reality it was worth £2.5k. Fair play for having the cheek to advertise it so far off the scale, though. I do hope you pointed out to the buyer that he should investigate having the cambelt changed ASAP, though..... unless you'd already had an early change carried out. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Fiat Marea 20v HLX - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # > I do hope you pointed out to the buyer that he should investigate having > the cambelt changed ASAP, though..... unless you'd already had an early > change carried out. Cambelt change at 5 years according to the original post - that was a lot of posts ago mind! > > > Bloody hell. That's insane. > > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > AFAIK it's a Lusso - it's the one with wooden trim and climate - which > isn't base model 156 spec. That was all standard on the 2.0. The only way yours is a Lusso is if it has a 1.8 engine. It's confusing because there wasn't a base spec across the range, and the base 2.0 had almost the same spec as a 1.8 Lusso. > > > Yes, it had significantly higher mileage (102k miles), but they changed > > > the belts and front drop links etc. when they got it in. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Parkers is wrong. Very, *very* wrong. I'd be lucky to get £2k back for > mine now. Probably even less. Agreed, especially as you've driven it since then. > You took a chance on pricing your car at an obscene price and were lucky > enough to find a mug punter to buy it off you. > > In reality it was worth £2.5k. Fair play for having the cheek to > advertise it so far off the scale, though. Blimey. £4k is nothing for a car in the south east. Crappy little 5 year old Polos with 50k on the clock get snapped up for that sort of money. The market's pretty strong at the monent. > I do hope you pointed out to the buyer that he should investigate having > the cambelt changed ASAP, though..... unless you'd already had an early > change carried out. Didn't I mention having it done recently? Mark >> >>>>>> Considering the very low miles and presuming you feel you got a >> > decent [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > You win - I got £3900, Which just goes to show, there's one born every minute ;) SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk >> "Tony Rickard" <tonyno@spam.blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message >>> £3950 >> You win - I got £3900, > Which just goes to show, there's one born every minute ;) You're only jealous cos I got the kudos on offer :) It was in line with the Parkers guide, but there does seem to be a bigger variation with 156 prices than something more mainstream. A lot of the trade still don't seem to be keen. Cheers Tony > >> "Tony Rickard" <tonyno@spam.blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > bigger variation with 156 prices than something more mainstream. A lot > of the trade still don't seem to be keen. The reality of it is that Parkers guide prices are more often wrong than they are right. I'd never value a car for buying or selling based on the fantasy prices Parkers or What Car print in their guides - I've not known them to be correct on a single car so far. However, non-enthusiast car buyers can often treat them like the 'bible' when they're buying or selling. Sometimes you get lucky because your potential buyer has 100% trust in the Parkers prices. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Fiat Marea 20v HLX - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message news:1hdj7zo.lpb8pc1xx8rnkN% > However, non-enthusiast car buyers can often treat them like the 'bible' > when they're buying or selling. Sometimes you get lucky because your > potential buyer has 100% trust in the Parkers prices. Bingo! Certainly applied in my case to some extent, however, the guy did look at other similar cars and compare prices with others on the market before making me an offer. He even got a car expert (though not an Alfa man*) to drive it for him before parting with his cash. It works the other way too - it can be worth paying more than Parkers says for an enthusiast-owned car that's had all the bushes, belts & other bits maintained perfectly. My 164 was a good example of this as I hardly had to spend anything on it for 30k miles and it never once let me down. Mark * Though I got the distinct impression he'd got the Alfa bug after driving mine :-) > Go on, what do you reckon I got? There will be much kudos for the person > who > gets the closest... I reckon you got about 1200 - 1300 for it private > > Go on, what do you reckon I got? There will be much kudos for the person > > who > > gets the closest... > > I reckon you got about 1200 - 1300 for it private So far out you're in Siberia. Mark > Go on, what do you reckon I got? There will be much kudos for the person > who > gets the closest... £1500 cash. -- Simon Mason http://www.simonmason.karoo.net > > Go on, what do you reckon I got? There will be much kudos for the person > > who > > gets the closest... > > £1500 cash. So far out you're in Northern Canada. Mark >It's a 99/T 156 2.0 TS Sport Pack 1, >in Proteo Metallic red, fAsh (including cambelt change at 5 years), and only >36.6k miles. Standard apart from a CD/MP3 changer. Sold privately for cash >this week, in E. Anglia. £1750 Pete -- <iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso > >It's a 99/T 156 2.0 TS Sport Pack 1, > >in Proteo Metallic red, fAsh (including cambelt change at 5 years), and only > >36.6k miles. Standard apart from a CD/MP3 changer. Sold privately for cash > >this week, in E. Anglia. > > £1750 Greenland. Mark >> £1750 >> >Greenland. > >Mark You really got 3K for it? Pete -- <iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso > >> £1750 > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > You really got 3K for it? Maybe more :-) >> You really got 3K for it? > >Maybe more :-) Congratulations. I am gob-smacked. Nobody needs to tell me that "the car" is worth that money, but I am astonished that bearing in mind the general undervaluation (and street prices) that you managed to achieve such a great figure. I must Bookmark your post to remind me to get you to sell my car when the day comes. It will be well worth paying your commission :-) Pete -- <iowna156@rustclubalfa.com> 156 2.0 TS (2001) - Proteo Rosso > >> You really got 3K for it? > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I must Bookmark your post to remind me to get you to sell my car when > the day comes. It will be well worth paying your commission :-) I got less than what Parkers said I should when you consider I threw in a CD/MP3 changer. I woz done :-) Mark £2,300 Simon B >A bit of an announcement: I've sold my 156 after 3.5 years with it. Tough > decision, but the other half found the family car, a 406 estate, too big. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Mark > Go on, what do you reckon I got? There will be much kudos for the > person who gets the closest... 3300? > Mark SignatureBest regards, Fikret Hasovic http://fikret.fbtalk.net USAID TAMP Senior Programmer * Firebird Foundation member. - Join today at http://www.firebirdsql.org/ff/foundation * Firebird and Fyracle news http://www.fyracle.org * JEDI VCS contributor http://jedivcs.sourceforge.net/ Posted with XanaNews 1.18.1.2 >I'm expecting 156 values to drop with the 159 coming out. 156 residuals are so low anyway that the 159 cannot make that much difference. Alfa UK only expect to sell 3500 159s in the UK this year - I wonder if they'll manage that? To put depreciation into perspective, a 159 will loose more money by taking it out of the retailer's forecourt than you got for your 156. I've even seen the 159 2.4JTDm Lusso with a 1500UKP discount already! > I expect this will be gradual over the next year but will >hit hard by this time in 2007. If there's a rush to get 159s that is. Trouble is that Joe Average appears to be unlikely to be buying Alfa again..if he had a 156. The sales pitch for the 159 is EXACTLY the same as the sales pitch was for the 156 so I expect the actual average ownership experience to be identical. Joe Public is being advised of this by the "wait and see if it's true" comments in the media. This is not good. Sure, once secondhand 159s start appearing in any numbers, that would (possibly) depreciate 156 values further but that will be unlikely for a while and it depends a bit on the reputation the 159 gains. There's a hilarious side to all this. Having done *months* of research before buying my 156, I'm now seeing a surprising number of cut-'n'-paste 156 reviews being used for 159s. Some from big players. I wonder what's going on there then? ;-) >So I thought it would be a good time move my >"investment" elsewhere, so to speak. "Investment" and Alfa..or cars in general..LOL! <snip> >Sold privately for cash this week, in E. Anglia. Looking at Parkers and adjusting for mileage, 3500UKP is the VERY tops I'd pay. So..E. Anglia looks like an excellent place to sell old Alfas. Looking at eBay (always bad news for Alfa owners) and no 2.0 in the current eBay history has made near 3000UKP and only 3 made it past 2500UKP. SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) > NC is disqualified from guessing as he has (or should have) the answer > already. > > Mark :) Gald to hear you got a VERY good price for it.... I wonder how far they will drop in the next year now that the 159 is out and about..?? > > NC is disqualified from guessing as he has (or should have) the answer > > already. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I wonder how far they will drop in the next year now that the 159 is out > and about..?? They already have..... you can get a perfectly decent 2lt TSpark for under £2k these days. They won't fall a hell of a lot further than that. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Fiat Marea 20v HLX - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # |
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