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Paul Woodsford - 09 Apr 2006 16:41 GMT
Whilst wife & daughter were visiting a wedding fayre in Cardiff ( dreaded
date in January ) I decided to visit the Cardiff Alfa Romeo dealer, Victoria
Park Motors, to glance over the new Brera having received the promotional
pack from the Alfa dealer in Swansea. Thought this was a mistake , now I
know it wasn't. The Alfa Dealership run by Victoria Park Motors in Hadfield
Road, Cardiff ceased trading on March 31st.

So, 2 questions.

Does anybody know if Alfa UK are going to appoint a new dealer in Cardiff,
capital of Wales?

Can anyone recommend an Alfa specialist for servicing etc: in or around
Cardiff / South Glamorgan as I don't fancy travelling all the way to Swansea
or Newport?

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SteveH - 09 Apr 2006 17:38 GMT
> Can anyone recommend an Alfa specialist for servicing etc: in or around
> Cardiff / South Glamorgan as I don't fancy travelling all the way to Swansea
> or Newport?

"All the way to Newport"?

It's only, what, 12-14 miles.
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Paul Woodsford - 09 Apr 2006 20:04 GMT
>> Can anyone recommend an Alfa specialist for servicing etc: in or around
>> Cardiff / South Glamorgan as I don't fancy travelling all the way to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> It's only, what, 12-14 miles.

I understand what you're saying, but I am an anaesthetist in a hospital near
Cardiff, and there is no way I could get back from Newport to start my list
in time so would have to take annual leave.

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SteveH - 09 Apr 2006 20:06 GMT
> >> Can anyone recommend an Alfa specialist for servicing etc: in or around
> >> Cardiff / South Glamorgan as I don't fancy travelling all the way to
> >> Swansea
> >> or Newport?
> >
> > "All the way to Newport"?

> I understand what you're saying, but I am an anaesthetist in a hospital near
> Cardiff, and there is no way I could get back from Newport to start my list
> in time so would have to take annual leave.

Welcome to the real world.

Life's a bitch.
Then you marry one.
Then you die.
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Paul Woodsford - 09 Apr 2006 20:45 GMT
>> >> Can anyone recommend an Alfa specialist for servicing etc: in or
>> >> around
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Then you marry one.
> Then you die.

Been there almost did that, the dieing bit.
Never mind if you can't be of any help, just forget I asked, I will.

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SteveH - 09 Apr 2006 21:34 GMT
> > Welcome to the real world.
> >
> > Life's a bitch.
> > Then you marry one.
> > Then you die.

> Been there almost did that, the dieing bit.
> Never mind if you can't be of any help, just forget I asked, I will.

Gah! Some people are so sensitive.

Have you ever thought a nice, cuddly web forum would be a better place
for you? You appear to lack the robust character needed to survive on
Usenet.
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Paul Woodsford - 09 Apr 2006 20:54 GMT
>> Can anyone recommend an Alfa specialist for servicing etc: in or around
>> Cardiff / South Glamorgan as I don't fancy travelling all the way to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> It's only, what, 12-14 miles.

Thought I recognised the name:-
""""I have a local guy in Llanbradach who works on all my cars - he got my
75 through an MOT last year and my 155 the year before. When I had my
'Panzerwagen' phase, he did a cambelt on my Passat..... which is quite a
tricky job. He'll be doing all the work on our 156 and my Marea, too.

He's called Peter Holcombe and is in the Yellow Pages.

Labour is only £25/hour + VAT, so it's not going to be too painful.""""

Now why couldn't you just reprint this.
Much closer to where I work and will not have to fight the traffic on the M4
back to Cardiff in the morning. Llanbradach-Nantgarw-Llantrisant

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SteveH - 09 Apr 2006 21:22 GMT
> >> Can anyone recommend an Alfa specialist for servicing etc: in or around
> >> Cardiff / South Glamorgan as I don't fancy travelling all the way to
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> >
> > It's only, what, 12-14 miles.

> Thought I recognised the name:-
> """"I have a local guy in Llanbradach who works on all my cars - he got my
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Now why couldn't you just reprint this.

Perhaps because Llanbradach is further from Cardiff than Newport.....
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Paul Woodsford - 09 Apr 2006 22:30 GMT
>> >> Can anyone recommend an Alfa specialist for servicing etc: in or
>> >> around
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>
> Perhaps because Llanbradach is further from Cardiff than Newport.....

Incorrect. According to AA route planner:-
Cardiff - Llanbradach    11.9miles
Cardiff - Newport    15.7 miles

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Domestos - 09 Apr 2006 22:38 GMT
> Whilst wife & daughter were visiting a wedding fayre in Cardiff ( dreaded
> date in January ) I decided to visit the Cardiff Alfa Romeo dealer,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Cardiff / South Glamorgan as I don't fancy travelling all the way to
> Swansea or Newport?

2 questions of my own...

Why was you at the local alfa dealer when your daughter is planning for the
most important/exciting day of her life. Should you not be with her?

second, how often will your car be going in for a service? Once... at most
twice a year... for the sake of 12 - 14 miles i couldn't give a shite !!!!
Book half a day off for christ sake... if you can afford the brera, you can
afford to take a day of work ! or book it in for a saturday morning...

Dom
SteveH - 09 Apr 2006 22:47 GMT
> > Can anyone recommend an Alfa specialist for servicing etc: in or around
> > Cardiff / South Glamorgan as I don't fancy travelling all the way to
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Book half a day off for christ sake... if you can afford the brera, you can
> afford to take a day of work ! or book it in for a saturday morning...

At a guess, the job in question doesn't have regular 9-5, Monday-Friday
hours.

I book mine in for my day off, leaving it with him until I can swing an
early shift to pick it up just before he closes a couple of days later.
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Paul Woodsford - 09 Apr 2006 23:15 GMT
>> > Can anyone recommend an Alfa specialist for servicing etc: in or around
>> > Cardiff / South Glamorgan as I don't fancy travelling all the way to
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> I book mine in for my day off, leaving it with him until I can swing an
> early shift to pick it up just before he closes a couple of days later.

Thanks for your last comment Steve H, and calm down Domestos.
Yes you're correct, the annual service can be organised with some
difficulty, but it would be nice to know that there was an Alfa specialist
to deal with the problems etc: that hopefully will not, but probably will,
arise in future who is not too far away.
As I have already suffered a cambelt failure at 12000miles finding the
dealership closed was of concern.
Oh and for Domestos. Taking leave has no financial consequence for me but
the patients who get cancelled would be pretty miffed.  Mind you I could
just adopt you're attitude.

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Domestos - 11 Apr 2006 22:04 GMT
> Oh and for Domestos. Taking leave has no financial consequence for me but
> the patients who get cancelled would be pretty miffed.  Mind you I could
> just adopt you're attitude.

So what are you telling me? You have to book your leave 10 months in
advance? Most hospitals only book appointments 4-6 weeks in advance. Even
your schedule will allow for a late arrival or a morning off now and again,
so don't pull the 'patient is most important' bullshit... as we all know,
patients are just meat on a slab...

Dom
Paul Woodsford - 12 Apr 2006 06:08 GMT
>> Oh and for Domestos. Taking leave has no financial consequence for me but
>> the patients who get cancelled would be pretty miffed.  Mind you I could
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>
> Dom

They probably are where you live, judging by your IQ.

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Stephen Poley - 10 Apr 2006 06:24 GMT
>Book half a day off for christ sake... if you can afford the brera, you can
>afford to take a day of work ! or book it in for a saturday morning...

Taking a whole day off seems excessive. Around here it's common to drop
the car off the previous evening (key in an envelope through the
letter-box) and then one only has to take an hour or two off to pick the
car up again.

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Oggy - 10 Apr 2006 13:59 GMT
Blimey, the guy was only asking a couple of simple questions.

He knows his situation far better than anyone else ... sheesh!

Paul.
Paul Woodsford - 10 Apr 2006 16:34 GMT
> Blimey, the guy was only asking a couple of simple questions.
>
> He knows his situation far better than anyone else ... sheesh!
>
> Paul.

Thanks Oggy

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Stephen Poley - 11 Apr 2006 06:13 GMT
>Blimey, the guy was only asking a couple of simple questions.
>
>He knows his situation far better than anyone else ... sheesh!

Well, when you get a bunch of Alfa males together, I guess you have to
expect a bit of blood on the floor.  ;-)

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Domestos - 11 Apr 2006 22:14 GMT
> Blimey, the guy was only asking a couple of simple questions.
>
> He knows his situation far better than anyone else ... sheesh!

So why does he need to share it with the NG? He obviously has a problem in
organisation (IMHO) if he finds a dealer 12-14 miles away 'a little too far
to travel becasue of work related reasons...

I work 50 odd miles away from my dealer, and still managed to get my car
into them without missing any time at work. However the problem I find with
alfa dealers are they can never book you in when you need to be booked
in.... you always have to wait for 2 weeks and even longer if you want a
courtesy car...

Dom
Paul Woodsford - 12 Apr 2006 06:37 GMT
>> Blimey, the guy was only asking a couple of simple questions.
>>
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>
> Dom

Your making up stories now Dom.
Who said I couldn't cope with 12-14 miles, not me.
Cardiff is 15.9 miles from the next dealer in Newport.
Getting from Home to old Dealer to work was just possible without too much
disruption as the journey crosses the radially orientated transport links to
Cardiff rather than follow them..
Travelling the extra 15miles to Newport, using the M4 or anyother road,
first thing in the morning is a whole new ball game with the amount of
commuter traffic.
The journey is not impossible and maybe I should have used different
language other than "I don't fancy travelling all the way to Swansea or
Newport?" when making my request for any information about an Alfa
Specialist.
I can see you have a chip on your shoulder, called a forest by the look of
things, but never mind " Each to our own opinion ".
I wish you a good day, as I'm off to work.

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Graeme Cosgrove - 12 Apr 2006 21:26 GMT
>>> Blimey, the guy was only asking a couple of simple questions.
>>>
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> things, but never mind " Each to our own opinion ".
> I wish you a good day, as I'm off to work.

Tried to find words to describe the futility of this thread, but gave up.
Catman - 13 Apr 2006 06:59 GMT
> Tried to find words to describe the futility of this thread, but gave up.

Our first proper flame war ;)
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Zathras - 13 Apr 2006 08:58 GMT
>> Tried to find words to describe the futility of this thread, but gave up.
>
>Our first proper flame war ;)

Hmmm..guy asks reasonable on-topic question - completely unhelpful
answers deteriorate to cheap goading, off-topic (FAQ 1), personal
abuse. "people are trying to help" (FAQ 8) - ROTFL.

The OP probably thinks we're all a bunch of @ssholes here and he
didn't even admit to owning a BMW FFS.  :-(

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SteveH - 13 Apr 2006 09:08 GMT
> >> Tried to find words to describe the futility of this thread, but gave up.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> The OP probably thinks we're all a bunch of

To be fair, most of us wouldn't consider a 35 mile round-trip to our
nearest Alfa dealer to be anything out of the ordinary. I've driven
further than that to get to a decent mechanic in the past.
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cupra - 13 Apr 2006 09:12 GMT
>>>> Tried to find words to describe the futility of this thread, but
>>>> gave up.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> nearest Alfa dealer to be anything out of the ordinary. I've driven
> further than that to get to a decent mechanic in the past.

I travel 45 miles to main dealer.... before I google, where was the
specialist near Newport?
SteveH - 13 Apr 2006 09:19 GMT
> > To be fair, most of us wouldn't consider a 35 mile round-trip to our
> > nearest Alfa dealer to be anything out of the ordinary. I've driven
> > further than that to get to a decent mechanic in the past.
>
> I travel 45 miles to main dealer.... before I google, where was the
> specialist near Newport?

Well, my mechanic in Llanbradach isn't a specialist as such, he's just a
bloody good local mechanic. Proper old-school guy, does the job properly
in a run-down back-street workshop.
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cupra - 13 Apr 2006 09:24 GMT
>>> To be fair, most of us wouldn't consider a 35 mile round-trip to our
>>> nearest Alfa dealer to be anything out of the ordinary. I've driven
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> just a bloody good local mechanic. Proper old-school guy, does the
> job properly in a run-down back-street workshop.

Personal recommendation is certainly something that'll generate more
business than most advertising! 147 JTD belt change and service - do you
reckon he'd do a good job?
SteveH - 13 Apr 2006 09:40 GMT
> > Well, my mechanic in Llanbradach isn't a specialist as such, he's
> > just a bloody good local mechanic. Proper old-school guy, does the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> business than most advertising! 147 JTD belt change and service - do you
> reckon he'd do a good job?

Can't see why not.

He's got our 156 for a service at the moment, got mour 75 through an MOT
last year and the 155 the year before that. He's also done a belt change
on my old Passat 1.8T.... which is a  much more complicated job than a
1.9JTD lump.

So yes, I'd take one there. Especially for, ISTR, £27.50 / hour.....
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cupra - 13 Apr 2006 09:48 GMT
>>> Well, my mechanic in Llanbradach isn't a specialist as such, he's
>>> just a bloody good local mechanic. Proper old-school guy, does the
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> job than a
> 1.9JTD lump.

Cool - got a few thou' to go yet so I may ask for details at some point...

> So yes, I'd take one there. Especially for, ISTR, £27.50 / hour.....

Main dealer labour prices are one thing I won't miss (£20 to change the
sidelight bulb that I just couldn't shift!)
SteveH - 13 Apr 2006 21:38 GMT
> > > To be fair, most of us wouldn't consider a 35 mile round-trip to our
> > > nearest Alfa dealer to be anything out of the ordinary. I've driven
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> bloody good local mechanic. Proper old-school guy, does the job properly
> in a run-down back-street workshop.

Just as a follow-up.....

Went to pick it up this evening, the young-ish lad who does a lot of the
donkey work down there was asking me all sorts of questions about the
car - started off with me explaining the Twin-Spark system to him, then
we got onto the design of the rear door handles and loads of other
stuff. He obviously really enjoyed having something different to work
on, 'cos he was the same with the 75, too.

Christ knows what he'll think when he pops the bonnet on the Marea in a
couple of weeks :-)
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cupra - 14 Apr 2006 08:32 GMT
>>>> To be fair, most of us wouldn't consider a 35 mile round-trip to
>>>> our nearest Alfa dealer to be anything out of the ordinary. I've
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> of other stuff. He obviously really enjoyed having something
> different to work on, 'cos he was the same with the 75, too.

It's good to see some enthusiasm in the yute of today!

> Christ knows what he'll think when he pops the bonnet on the Marea in
> a couple of weeks :-)

lol - same with mine, jammed in!
Catman - 13 Apr 2006 09:08 GMT
>>> Tried to find words to describe the futility of this thread, but gave
>>> up.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> The OP probably thinks we're all a bunch of @ssholes here and he
> didn't even admit to owning a BMW FFS.  :-(

I am forced to agree
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Domestos - 12 Apr 2006 23:46 GMT
> I can see you have a chip on your shoulder, called a forest by the look of
> things, but never mind " Each to our own opinion ".
> I wish you a good day, as I'm off to work.

Maybe if you spent less time in the morning replying to NG posts, you would
have more time to get to your dealer and onto your work !!! Like I said...
you must have a problem with organisation... I would hate for you to be
related to my health records in some way...

In addition last Monday (10/04/06)  you spent time replying to a post at
16:34 - busy day at the office was it? Maybe you could have used that time
to pick up/ drop off a car...

I look forward to you response...

Dom
Paul Woodsford - 13 Apr 2006 19:31 GMT
>> I can see you have a chip on your shoulder, called a forest by the look
>> of
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Dom

My response, having been called in from 0030 hrs Monday morning , theatre
list finished early due to patient not turning up. Probably one of your
relatives Domestos, couldn't understand the letter.

But never mind.

Have found out that there will be a new Alfa Dealership setup in Cardiff
towards the 3rd quarter of this year, and have found a garage in Cardiff who
specialise in Alfa & Jaguar repairs/service, via a personal recommendation
of a work colleague who restores vintage Jaguars. So I'm happy, and as for
you Domestos ---- Go to Hell ----.
Killfile set up for this arrogant poster.
To the rest, thanks for your help and info.
Bye.

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Domestos - 13 Apr 2006 19:46 GMT
> My response, having been called in from 0030 hrs Monday morning , theatre
> list finished early due to patient not turning up. Probably one of your
> relatives Domestos, couldn't understand the letter.

I think most people have problems reading NHS letters...

The letters for appointments are often contradictive...

One letter my relatives got recetly stated that they needed to to arrive
before 10.00am as the operation would be starting before or soon after that
time!

Also I have seen letters from Trusts asking patients to be null by mouth for
the operation however at the bottom the letter suggests the patient should
bring along a sugary item of food or drink to eat after the blood has been
taken!!!

> But never mind.

<snip>

> So I'm happy, and as for you Domestos ---- Go to Hell ----.

I beleive we are already living in hell! Actually I am ashamed to own an
alfa if somebody like you also owns one, it kinda makes me feel like we have
somthing in common, share a passion, and that makes me sick...!

And this will be my final word on the matter...

> Killfile set up for this arrogant poster.
> To the rest, thanks for your help and info.
> Bye.

good ridance...
Tony Rickard - 13 Apr 2006 22:14 GMT
>> My response, having been called in from 0030 hrs Monday morning , theatre
>> list finished early due to patient not turning up. Probably one of your
>> relatives Domestos, couldn't understand the letter.
>>
> I think most people have problems reading NHS letters...

<snip>

I think Paul could be out of a job if this thread were to be released to
the populous at large. I feel quite sleepy already...
Paul Woodsford - 13 Apr 2006 22:35 GMT
>>> My response, having been called in from 0030 hrs Monday morning ,
>>> theatre
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> I think Paul could be out of a job if this thread were to be released to
> the populous at large. I feel quite sleepy already...
Tony,
If you thought the "Working Hours Directive" applied to senior medical staff
then I regret you are sadly misinformed. Lorry Drivers, Train Drivers,
Pilots and many other groups have better Health & Safety Regulations than we
have as regards to working hours. But that is the nature of the job. If
these regulations did apply, then Bye-Bye NHS.
Thats why I was annoyed the Dealership closed without warning and without
informing customers. ( I received a letter today from the Dealer today
telling me they had closed).
However, I have know found an alternative garage who will carry out the
necessary servicing and can deal with any faults without wasting time
travelling, so I'm sorted.

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Domestos - 13 Apr 2006 23:31 GMT
>>>> My response, having been called in from 0030 hrs Monday morning ,
>>>> theatre
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> Regulations than we have as regards to working hours. But that is the
> nature of the job. If these regulations did apply, then Bye-Bye NHS.

Good - I would rather pay for private healthcare than the crappy service we
get out of the tin-pot organisation we call a national health service... I
mean they cannot even manage a budget !!! have you seen the wastage that
happens in a hospitals for use-once medical equipment?

If I paid as much per month for Private health care as I do for NHS
healthcare I would be able to have cosmetic surgery toget rid of my flabby
arms !!!
Catman - 14 Apr 2006 07:02 GMT
<snip>

OK, this is now OT and in breach of group's charter. To both you and Paul:
Take it elsewhere, please.

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Jim - 14 Apr 2006 08:49 GMT
> <snip>
>
> OK, this is now OT and in breach of group's charter. To both you and Paul:
> Take it elsewhere, please.

Paul asked a civil question. There has been an uncalled for torrent of
abuse. I have no connection with the NHS or medicine and am embarrassed
that my fellow potential patients are seemingly represented by Domestos
and his mates. I know a few doctors and they are the sort of people you
can abuse (as described above) and then meet them professionally. They
will still remove your appendix and not show any malice to you. That's
because they are SPECIAL people. They aren't money grabbing tarts like
you Domestos. They care. Oh yes, while I'm on, they don't manage the NHS
budget in hospitals. That is done by non-medical staff......maybe even
people like YOU Domestos.

I have read every exchange from the off. Wouldn't normally comment but
you are an excuse for a proper person Domestos. Go get your 'flabby
arms' seen to.

Paul, I'm sorry for being a member of the same species as Domestos,
please don't take it out on all of us!!

Jim
Tony Rickard - 14 Apr 2006 09:58 GMT
> <snip>
>
> OK, this is now OT and in breach of group's charter. To both you and Paul:
> Take it elsewhere, please.

Quite, anyway Domestos doesn't need the NHS as he kills all known germs
dead...
Catman - 14 Apr 2006 14:10 GMT
>> <snip>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Quite, anyway Domestos doesn't need the NHS as he kills all known germs
> dead...

That's not really helping.....
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Tony Rickard - 14 Apr 2006 15:58 GMT
> That's not really helping.....

I guess you're right, sorry about that.

Tony
Catman - 14 Apr 2006 18:42 GMT
>> That's not really helping.....
>
> I guess you're right, sorry about that.

np ;)
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Domestos - 14 Apr 2006 11:29 GMT
> <snip>
>
> OK, this is now OT and in breach of group's charter. To both you and Paul:
> Take it elsewhere, please.

It may be OT, but its been the most interesting debate in this NG for some
time!

And besides, when was the last time anybody in here saw the charter? Maybe
its time you posted it again...

Domestos
Zathras - 14 Apr 2006 13:44 GMT
>It may be OT, but its been the most interesting debate in this NG for some
>time!

Eh??! "Most embarrassingly poor responses for a long time" you mean!

>And besides, when was the last time anybody in here saw the charter? Maybe
>its time you posted it again...

A further fine display of complete and utter ignorance. Try 28th March
2006, FAQ posted by Pete, line one says:

"FAQ and de facto Charter"

School holidays..pah!!!

(Sorry Catman..this guy seems to believe that him annoying people is
*interesting*..sheesh!....got it out of my system now..bye)

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Catman - 14 Apr 2006 14:10 GMT
>> <snip>
>>
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> And besides, when was the last time anybody in here saw the charter? Maybe
> its time you posted it again...

As Zathras mentioned, 28th March.  Pete posts it every month.

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