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Car Forum / Alfa Romeo Cars / March 2007Changing the head on a 156
2.0TS Is changing the head beyond the scope of the home mechanic? It is a long time since I got my hands that dirty under the bonnet but in the past I have changed gaskets on Cav's, Astra's and a Hyundai S-Coupe. I have told the mechanic to give it me back, he found me a 'new' head after giving up fixing mine but wanted me to go and buy it and he would fit it. As it came without a guarantee I thought this was a really sh.t idea. > 2.0TS > > Is changing the head beyond the scope of the home mechanic? Yes, largely. Cambelt, variator and balancer shaft belt all need doing at the same time. It's a pig of a job requiring some special tools and knowledge.  SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >> 2.0TS >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It's a pig of a job requiring some special tools and knowledge. f.ck it then, will you buy my seats for three grand? >2.0TS Is this still the same one?? >Is changing the head beyond the scope of the home mechanic? That depends on the skill of the home mechanic. >I have told the mechanic Henceforth to be properly described as a (cheap?), useless labourer.. >to give it me back, he found me a 'new' head after giving up fixing mine ..a (cheap?), useless labourer - I rest my case.. > but wanted me to go and buy it and he would fit it. If this is the same idiot that's been messing about with your car for almost a year, I wouldn't let him fit a newspaper through my letterbox. >As it came without a guarantee I thought this was a really sh.t idea. ..but the car came without a guarantee!... Look, if it's still the car you've been playing with for almost a year, <shouting start> GET RID OF IT! <shouting end>. Break for parts on eBay then tow to scrappie. You must possess the worst 156 in the world..get another, it can only be better! SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >> 2.0TS > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > on eBay then tow to scrappie. You must possess the worst 156 in the > world..get another, it can only be better! Absolutley - amongst the mickey taking (probably more on other ngs), I suspect we all feel some sympathy with RDS! >I suspect we all feel some sympathy with RDS! Indeed. He's also in a place where many people can arrive - my Dad for one. The do I spend more and hope it's all done or do I get rid of it dilemma isn't often a trivial or easy matter. My experience suggests that once you're in it the only true escape is disposal. SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >>I suspect we all feel some sympathy with RDS! > > Indeed. He's also in a place where many people can arrive - my Dad for > one. The do I spend more and hope it's all done or do I get rid of it > dilemma isn't often a trivial or easy matter. My experience suggests > that once you're in it the only true escape is disposal. Its worse because I have been here before. I had a Hyundai S-coupe (I know, but I loved it) which was smoking like a .. well like my 156. Turbo was diagnosed as the problem, sent it to be reconned, no better, sent it back and they said there was scoring as swarf had got in it? replaced it with a new one, no better, head off and reconditioned, no better so it was suggested that it could be the rings. I ended up selling the f.cking thing for £50 and for a long while I wondered if I should have got the rings done. In future if my car breaks down I will simply leave it at the side of the road and move on. > >>I suspect we all feel some sympathy with RDS! > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > In future if my car breaks down I will simply leave it at the side of the > road and move on. In future, I suggest you take a responsible adult with you when you go buying cars ;-) SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >> >>I suspect we all feel some sympathy with RDS! >> > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > In future, I suggest you take a responsible adult with you when you go > buying cars ;-) Seriously Steve, next time I want to buy a car I hope you can get the day off. The Hyundai was my fault, I got a few good years from that car, I flogged the bollocks off it. I'm tired of being a lazy fat bastard anyway, i've just been out and bought a speedo for my mountain bike. When I am more affluent (the business looks like it may stop bleeding me dry at any minute) I will have another go at an Alfa and will buy a new one. >>> 2.0TS >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Absolutley - amongst the mickey taking (probably more on other ngs), I > suspect we all feel some sympathy with RDS! Which piss taking in particular? In case I have missed any! >>>> 2.0TS >>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Which piss taking in particular? > In case I have missed any! Mainly in uk.rec.cars.misc IIRC! >>>>> 2.0TS >>>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Mainly in uk.rec.cars.misc IIRC! You mean the great 'damn Rick for making short journeys the clueless fuckwit troll' debate. I wish I didn't get drawn into arguments, I am obviously stubborn and arrogant. >>>>>> 2.0TS >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > I wish I didn't get drawn into arguments, I am obviously stubborn and > arrogant. Usenet's great for that - it's all part of the charm! >>2.0TS > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > on eBay then tow to scrappie. You must possess the worst 156 in the > world..get another, it can only be better! The useless labourer nearly had it right which is a shame. It was running like a peach but oil use was still up. The 'mechanic' said if he could sort the head from parts he had he would do it for £200 which is why I have let it drag on these last months. Enough is enough though, f.ck it. A line will be drawn under it, I will try to get over the £1000's lost. The biggest dissapointment is that I will never have a 156 now, I can't be arsed with the 'told you so' brigade every time there is a problem if I get another. I have been walking about a lot more lately, it can do no harm, does a household really need two cars anyway, I wonder if we have all become too soft. >The 'mechanic' said if he could sort the head from parts he had he would do >it for £200 which is why I have let it drag on these last months. Hmmmm. >Enough is enough though, f.ck it. A line will be drawn under it, I will try >to get over the £1000's lost. Take a deep breath..think *calm*..it'll be like a weight lifted from your shoulders. >The biggest dissapointment is that I will never have a 156 now, That's up to you. There are many fine 156s out there and they are worth very little now - mine, for example. > I can't be arsed with the 'told you so' brigade every time there is a problem if I get >another. What do other people have to do with how you live? I thought you were thicker skinned than that. >I have been walking about a lot more lately, it can do no harm, does a >household really need two cars anyway, I wonder if we have all become too >soft. Good man. Think about this though..young family, need a car, only got one..same 156 for six years now - never let me down (apart from emptying my wallet at service times!). It *can* be done. SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) > Good man. Think about this though..young family, need a car, only got > one..same 156 for six years now - never let me down (apart from > emptying my wallet at service times!). It *can* be done. I would just like to add that my 156 TS is now up to 210 thousand miles and the only things that have ever failed have been made by Bosch.... and it still gives 34mpg, does not need oil between changes (level back down to low marker on dipstick after 6k miles) and appears to still have the manufacturers claimed top speed. AndyM > > Good man. Think about this though..young family, need a car, only got > > one..same 156 for six years now - never let me down (apart from [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > miles and the only things that have ever failed have been made by > Bosch.... This is a worrying trend. Our 156 failed it's MOT due to some Bosch bits playing up, too..... and lots of other manufacturers have problems with Bosch sensors. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >This is a worrying trend. Our 156 failed it's MOT due to some Bosch bits >playing up, too..... and lots of other manufacturers have problems with >Bosch sensors. I thought it was common knowledge that *these* days 'Italian Electrics' were largely caused by German electrical bits. I bet my MAF was German!! I wonder if Alfa (Fiat) asked the Germans for cheap parts? As an aside, I've never been particularly impressed with Bosch car parts from anything from windscreen wipers to fuel injection systems. However their dishwashers are superb!!! Modern cars are 'made' all over the world and are really just 'assembled' in the original country. Even the glass in my 156 is British! SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >> > Good man. Think about this though..young family, need a car, only got >> > one..same 156 for six years now - never let me down (apart from [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > playing up, too..... and lots of other manufacturers have problems with > Bosch sensors. Is a noc (or is it nox??) sensor German? Only that and the suspension bushes have failed on my 156. |
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