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Is the general consenus to stick with the 36k interval for JTDs? AIUI they're not as problematic as TSs (from previous discussions here) but do I err on the safe side (next service will be 108k)..... > Is the general consenus to stick with the 36k interval for JTDs? > > AIUI they're not as problematic as TSs (from previous discussions here) > but do I err on the safe side (next service will be 108k)..... I have a 10-valve 2.4JTD and I had the belts and tensioners replaced at 60K, although the advice was that it would be safe to leave it until 72K. My tame dealer (Monza Sport) told me at the time that they had never seen a broken belt on a JTD. They do a visual check at the intermediate services. I can't speak for the 1.9 or 20-valve 2.4 JTD engines. D A Stocks Oddly enough I was at a Dealership today looking at a 1.9 JTD and I asked about the cambelt service and the guy said not to worry about it until the 72K service! But then again he was trying to sell me one. DJ > Is the general consenus to stick with the 36k interval for JTDs? > > AIUI they're not as problematic as TSs (from previous discussions here) > but do I err on the safe side (next service will be 108k)..... > Oddly enough I was at a Dealership today looking at a 1.9 JTD and I > asked about the cambelt service and the guy said not to worry about > it until the 72K service! > But then again he was trying to sell me one. > > DJ I left mine to 72K as it was still under warranty. >Is the general consenus to stick with the 36k interval for JTDs? No need..stick with manufacturers recommended - in this case they got it right! >AIUI they're not as problematic as TSs Warning..understatement detected! ;-) > (from previous discussions here) but >do I err on the safe side (next service will be 108k)..... I've never heard of a belt break on a JTD. Remember, these motors are quite common as they're used in all manner of Fiat Group vehicles. If there are issues there'd be plenty of results in Google.  SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >> Is the general consenus to stick with the 36k interval for JTDs? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Warning..understatement detected! ;-) lol >> (from previous discussions here) but >> do I err on the safe side (next service will be 108k)..... > > I've never heard of a belt break on a JTD. Remember, these motors are > quite common as they're used in all manner of Fiat Group vehicles. If > there are issues there'd be plenty of results in Google. True! > > (from previous discussions here) but > >do I err on the safe side (next service will be 108k)..... > > I've never heard of a belt break on a JTD. Remember, these motors are > quite common as they're used in all manner of Fiat Group vehicles. If > there are issues there'd be plenty of results in Google. And Vauxhalls / Saabs. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >> > (from previous discussions here) but >> >do I err on the safe side (next service will be 108k)..... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >And Vauxhalls / Saabs. Indeed..but I think they mostly got the 1.9 engines so I left them out in case someone else with a 2.4 reads this. ISTBC but I don't think the 2.4 was exported outside Fiat group as much as the very common 1.9. Also, I do know of a gentle driver of a Vectra (1.9JTD) who has had problems due to the Vauxhall fitment (their particulate filter seems to block up). I haven't heard of this in Alfa land..mind you we might not be driving gently of course!! ;-) SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) > >> I've never heard of a belt break on a JTD. Remember, these motors are > >> quite common as they're used in all manner of Fiat Group vehicles. If [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > seems to block up). I haven't heard of this in Alfa land..mind you we > might not be driving gently of course!! ;-) Ahhh, yeah - the 5-pot has only ever been used by the Fiat group. Interestingly, the 5-pot petrols don't appear to snap cambelts either. It's a shame that never got installed in a 156 with a TSpark head. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >Interestingly, the 5-pot petrols don't appear to snap cambelts either. >It's a shame that never got installed in a 156 with a TSpark head. It might even have had a better chance of sales than the doomed 2.5 V6! A variable venturi turbo might have increased the excitement a bit too! :-))) Wouldn't have needed a heavy 3.2 V6 for the smaller cars then.....ah..dreams... SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) > >Interestingly, the 5-pot petrols don't appear to snap cambelts either. > >It's a shame that never got installed in a 156 with a TSpark head. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > too! :-))) Wouldn't have needed a heavy 3.2 V6 for the smaller cars > then.....ah..dreams... Well, the 2.4 in the Stilo Abarth managed to more or less match the power of the 2.5 V6, as I recall and in Turbo form, the Fiat Coupe is putting out 220bhp. I always wondered if you could put a 5-pot lump from a crashed Fiat into a 156 with a buggered TSpark engine..... SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >Well, the 2.4 in the Stilo Abarth managed to more or less match the >power of the 2.5 V6, as I recall and in Turbo form, the Fiat Coupe is >putting out 220bhp. The 2.5 V6 was not a great engine on paper - power was ok for its day but torque wasn't IMHO. My only knowledge of the Fiat Coupe is that it's a superb performer - I wonder what would have happened if they'd put that engine in early 156s rather than the 2.5 V6? More power and, likely, better efficiency (the big failure of the V6). >I always wondered if you could put a 5-pot lump from a crashed Fiat into >a 156 with a buggered TSpark engine..... Well my 2.4 JTD is a seriously tight fit length wise. It also restricts the turning circle. I don't know how long the petrol 5 is in comparison - I presume it was a straight 5. What we need is a lunatic that does mad things to old Alfas..cue Catman!! ;-) SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) > >Well, the 2.4 in the Stilo Abarth managed to more or less match the > >power of the 2.5 V6, as I recall and in Turbo form, the Fiat Coupe is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > put that engine in early 156s rather than the 2.5 V6? More power and, > likely, better efficiency (the big failure of the V6). I've had a Fiat with the non-turbo 5-pot in 2lt form. Not a lot more power than the 2lt TSpark, but it was actually, IMHO, a better engine. > >I always wondered if you could put a 5-pot lump from a crashed Fiat into > >a 156 with a buggered TSpark engine..... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > comparison - I presume it was a straight 5. What we need is a lunatic > that does mad things to old Alfas..cue Catman!! ;-) Yeah, the same block is used in the 2.4JTD and 2.4 petrol - both of which are derived from the 2lt 5-pot. Put it this way - the 155 / 156 / GTV / Fiat Coupe / Bravo / Brava are all based on the Tipo floorpan - you can fit a 5-pot in a Tipo and Fiat stuck it in the Bravo and Coupe. Therefore, it would fit in a 156. 5-pot turbo 156. That would be an amazing car. I had the Marea HLX with a 2lt 5-pot. Very cheap performance car and quite 156 like to drive. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >I've had a Fiat with the non-turbo 5-pot in 2lt form. Not a lot more >power than the 2lt TSpark, but it was actually, IMHO, a better engine. Probably sounded more interesting too. >Yeah, the same block is used in the 2.4JTD and 2.4 petrol - both of >which are derived from the 2lt 5-pot. Interesting..I didn't know the heritage. I've always liked a 5 cylinder soundtrack. >Put it this way - the 155 / 156 / GTV / Fiat Coupe / Bravo / Brava are >all based on the Tipo floorpan - you can fit a 5-pot in a Tipo and Fiat >stuck it in the Bravo and Coupe. Therefore, it would fit in a 156. Good point. I never said it wouldn't fit but I also remember seeing photos of a *very* tight install in a Marea a while back (possibly even from yourself!?). >5-pot turbo 156. That would be an amazing car. Too late now, unless Catman fancies balancing that big boot spoiler with an engine to do it the remotest justice.... :) SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) > >I've had a Fiat with the non-turbo 5-pot in 2lt form. Not a lot more > >power than the 2lt TSpark, but it was actually, IMHO, a better engine. > > Probably sounded more interesting too. They do, yes. 16v TSparks sound nice, but not as nice as the 8v TSparks or the Fiat 5-pots. > >Yeah, the same block is used in the 2.4JTD and 2.4 petrol - both of > >which are derived from the 2lt 5-pot. > > Interesting..I didn't know the heritage. I've always liked a 5 > cylinder soundtrack. That engine was originally launched as a 2lt petrol in the Bravo / Marea and Coupe. The diesel version found itself in the Marea and the 156. > >Put it this way - the 155 / 156 / GTV / Fiat Coupe / Bravo / Brava are > >all based on the Tipo floorpan - you can fit a 5-pot in a Tipo and Fiat [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > photos of a *very* tight install in a Marea a while back (possibly > even from yourself!?). It was, yes. Here's a reminder: http://www.italiancar.co.uk/Marea/images/DSCN0665.jpg > >5-pot turbo 156. That would be an amazing car. > > Too late now, unless Catman fancies balancing that big boot spoiler > with an engine to do it the remotest justice.... :) Bwahahaha! SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >Here's a reminder: > >http://www.italiancar.co.uk/Marea/images/DSCN0665.jpg Actually, looking at that photo, there could be more room in the 156 bay. That sure is a snug fit!!! >> Too late now, unless Catman fancies balancing that big boot spoiler >> with an engine to do it the remotest justice.... :) > >Bwahahaha! No..don't..he'll just get upset.. SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) > >Here's a reminder: > > > >http://www.italiancar.co.uk/Marea/images/DSCN0665.jpg > > Actually, looking at that photo, there could be more room in the 156 > bay. That sure is a snug fit!!! There isn't any reason why the 156 bay would be bigger. Mechanically, everything is interchangable between the Bravo based cars and the 155 / 156. > >> Too late now, unless Catman fancies balancing that big boot spoiler > >> with an engine to do it the remotest justice.... :) > > > >Bwahahaha! > > No..don't..he'll just get upset.. <points and laughs> SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >> Actually, looking at that photo, there could be more room in the 156 >> bay. That sure is a snug fit!!! > >There isn't any reason why the 156 bay would be bigger. Mechanically, >everything is interchangable between the Bravo based cars and the 155 / >156. Sorry, should have been clearer..it looks slightly longer, the width looks similar admittedly. SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) <snip> > Too late now, unless Catman fancies balancing that big boot spoiler > with an engine to do it the remotest justice.... :) Name your roundabout! SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Suzuki Bandit 600 #Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits (I live in hope) www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk ><snip> >> >> Too late now, unless Catman fancies balancing that big boot spoiler >> with an engine to do it the remotest justice.... :) > >Name your roundabout! The Whirlies..East Kilbride!! SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >> <snip> >>> Too late now, unless Catman fancies balancing that big boot spoiler [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The Whirlies..East Kilbride!! Nope, too far :) Hastingwood. SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Suzuki Bandit 600 #Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits (I live in hope) www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk >>> Name your roundabout! >> >> The Whirlies..East Kilbride!! >> >Nope, too far :) That was the plan! ;-) SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >> Well, the 2.4 in the Stilo Abarth managed to more or less match the >> power of the 2.5 V6, as I recall and in Turbo form, the Fiat Coupe is [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > comparison - I presume it was a straight 5. What we need is a lunatic > that does mad things to old Alfas..cue Catman!! ;-) Heh. The next lunatic thing on the list would be a V6 or mid-engined (or possibly a V6 mid-engined) Sprint. SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Suzuki Bandit 600 #Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits (I live in hope) www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk >Heh. The next lunatic thing on the list would be a V6 or mid-engined >(or possibly a V6 mid-engined) Sprint. Jeepers!! Have you stopped taking the pills?? ;-) SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >> Heh. The next lunatic thing on the list would be a V6 or mid-engined >> (or possibly a V6 mid-engined) Sprint. > > Jeepers!! Have you stopped taking the pills?? ;-) Wasn't actually my idea. Jamie wants to but a blower on it as well :) SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Suzuki Bandit 600 #Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits (I live in hope) www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk >>> Heh. The next lunatic thing on the list would be a V6 or mid-engined >>> (or possibly a V6 mid-engined) Sprint. >> >> Jeepers!! Have you stopped taking the pills?? ;-) >> >Wasn't actually my idea. Jamie wants to but a blower on it as well :) ..just the one. Are two not better on a V6? You haven't mentioned the nitro yet.. SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >>>> Heh. The next lunatic thing on the list would be a V6 or mid-engined >>>> (or possibly a V6 mid-engined) Sprint. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ..just the one. Are two not better on a V6? You haven't mentioned the > nitro yet.. Dunno. His turboed SZ has only the one. SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Suzuki Bandit 600 #Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits (I live in hope) www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk >Dunno. His turboed SZ has only the one. Isn't that an Eastern European bike?.. SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >> Dunno. His turboed SZ has only the one. > > Isn't that an Eastern European bike?.. You may be thinking of an MZ? Jamie was building an SZ with turbo for one of his customers last year. SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Suzuki Bandit 600 #Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits (I live in hope) www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk >>> Dunno. His turboed SZ has only the one. >> >> Isn't that an Eastern European bike?.. > >You may be thinking of an MZ? LOL..topic drift or what! SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >>>> Dunno. His turboed SZ has only the one. >>> Isn't that an Eastern European bike?.. >>> >> You may be thinking of an MZ? > > LOL..topic drift or what! Very scary. SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 TS 156 TS S2 Suzuki Bandit 600 #Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits (I live in hope) www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk > The 2.5 V6 was not a great engine on paper - power was ok for its day > but torque wasn't IMHO. My only knowledge of the Fiat Coupe is that > it's a superb performer - I wonder what would have happened if they'd > put that engine in early 156s rather than the 2.5 V6? More power and, > likely, better efficiency (the big failure of the V6). The 2.5 V6 is a classic Alfa engine. Not a lazy torquey big engine but high revving and super smooth all the way through the revs, with a real engine sound rather than amplified induction or exhaust. In fact it was good enough to be awarded the international engine of the year in as late in its life as 2000 for 2.0 to 2.5 litres, Alfas only award since the competition started in 1999. Things move on but the turbo petrol engines at the time of the 156 V6 were not up to the very latest now offered by rivals, lacking the all round driveability of the V6 and the mpg wasn't much better. If ever Alfa need a new petrol turbo it is right now as they are getting left behind in the petrol stakes, where the latest 2.0 Turbos have better torque, lag has been almost completely engineered out, more power and much better efficiency. The current JTS models look weak in comparison and the 3.2 out of reach for most. The diesels are looking good in the sports diesel category but the lack of competitive petrols looks like the end of an Alfa era for the petrolhead alfisti... Cheers Tony >> The 2.5 V6 was not a great engine on paper - power was ok for its day >> but torque wasn't IMHO. My only knowledge of the Fiat Coupe is that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >The 2.5 V6 is a classic Alfa engine. Not a lazy torquey big engine Not good enough, the Alfa engine was the class dunce for torque! It was 10% down on class average and even GM made an engine that was 20% better (and had similar power and wasn't big or lazy). > but high revving and super smooth all the way through the revs, with a real >engine sound rather than amplified induction or exhaust. Agreed. >In fact it was good enough to be awarded the international engine of the >year in as late in its life as 2000 for 2.0 to 2.5 litres, Alfas only >award since the competition started in 1999. Hmmm..*awards*..hmmm....I tend not to value awards in the car industry. Internal back slapping, no relevance to real life etc etc. Anyway, it doesn't really matter what mine, your or anybody else's opinions are on the engine as it still sold like a hot turd and got dropped. >Things move on but the turbo petrol engines at the time of the 156 V6 >were not up to the very latest now offered by rivals, lacking the all >round driveability of the V6 and the mpg wasn't much better. I don't think I can agree here..there were plenty of effective turbo petrols about then. Even years before that, I remember being very impressed by a turbo charged Audi engine. Saab have been doing reasonable turbo installations for years. >If ever Alfa need a new petrol turbo it is right now as they are getting >left behind in the petrol stakes, where the latest 2.0 Turbos have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >good in the sports diesel category but the lack of competitive petrols >looks like the end of an Alfa era for the petrolhead alfisti... Agreed. Also legislation is making the sound of modern engines too muted too. SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >>> The 2.5 V6 was not a great engine on paper - power was ok for its day >>> but torque wasn't IMHO. My only knowledge of the Fiat Coupe is that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > was 10% down on class average and even GM made an engine that was 20% > better (and had similar power and wasn't big or lazy). It has plenty enough to be very driveable at lowish revs. Alfa engines traditionally haven't been torquey. Only the recent diesels have been torquey motors. The 166 had a slightly detuned V6 to give more torque befitting of its exec status. >> but high revving and super smooth all the way through the revs, with a real >> engine sound rather than amplified induction or exhaust. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Hmmm..*awards*..hmmm....I tend not to value awards in the car > industry. Internal back slapping, no relevance to real life etc etc. The current 2.0 winner is the 2.0T FSI VAG engine. The only engine I have driven which I felt was better then my current Alfa. > Anyway, it doesn't really matter what mine, your or anybody else's > opinions are on the engine as it still sold like a hot turd and got > dropped. Dropped in the UK as Alfa climbed aboard the diesel bandwagon and made the 2.4 the exec mobile with the GTA in a different market (and not part of the face lift). At the same time as VAG were developing the new generation of petrols. Maybe it was the demise of the GM/FIAT partnership but Alfa seemed to have lost its way with petrols. The V6 was quietly dropped without an equivalent performing engine, the 1.9 diesel introduced and no face lifted GTA produced. For a sports saloon the new models just seemed a half hearted attempt to chase fleet sales (which never materialised either). >> Things move on but the turbo petrol engines at the time of the 156 V6 >> were not up to the very latest now offered by rivals, lacking the all [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > impressed by a turbo charged Audi engine. Saab have been doing > reasonable turbo installations for years. I had a 150bhp SAAB 2.0 turbo for 3 weeks before exchanging it for an older 150 bhp normally aspirated 2.0TS GTV. The SAAB was laggy and sounded strained at the revs that made it go. On paper the performance was equal, on the road it was awful. It is only the recent VAG 2.0T that have V6 type performance and driveability. All IMHO of course! The Japs have been knocking out decent turbos for some time but not in the 156 class. >> If ever Alfa need a new petrol turbo it is right now as they are getting >> left behind in the petrol stakes, where the latest 2.0 Turbos have [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Agreed. Also legislation is making the sound of modern engines too > muted too. I am not so sure. I drove a new GTI the other day and it sounded very good. Somewhat bizarrely the engineers have done such a good job sound proofing modern cars the Golf has a pipe that runs from the intake into the passenger compartment with no other purpose than to enhance the sound of the sportier variant. Cheers Tony > The current 2.0 winner is the 2.0T FSI VAG engine. The only engine I > have driven which I felt was better then my current Alfa. I had a Passat with the older 1.8T engine - I have to say it was a very good engine. Lacking in character and sound, but incredibly flexible. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # I must admit to being a bit perplexed at Alfa's strategy. If it were up to me the range would look something like this: 147 Class (suspension tuned for lighter engines) Petrol: 1.6, 2.0, 2.0 Turbo Diesel: 1.6, 1.9 159 Class (suspension tuned for medium engines) Petrol: 2.0, 2.0 Turbo, 2.4 Turbo 5 cyl Diesel: 1.9, 2.4, 3.0 V6 166 Class (suspension tuned for heavier engines) Petrol: 2.4 Turbo 5 cyl, 3.2 V6, 4.2 V8 Diesel: 2.4, 3.0 V6, 4.2 V8 2 Door Coupe (suspension tuned for medium engines) Petrol: 2.0, 2.0 Turbo, 2.4 Turbo 5 cyl Diesel: 1.9, 2.4, 3.0 V6 Some (currently available) engine specs: 2.4 Turbo petrol: 280hp (mmmmmmm!) 2.0 Turbo petrol: 230hp 3.0 V6 Diesel: 230hp 4.2 V8 Diesel: 326hp (yee haw!) Not to worry..back to reality now..(sigh!).. SignatureZ Scotland Alfa Romeo 156 2.4JTD Veloce Leather 'Oil' be seeing you.. (Email without 'Alfa' in subject are auto-deleted..sorry!) >>>> (from previous discussions here) but >>>> do I err on the safe side (next service will be 108k)..... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > seems to block up). I haven't heard of this in Alfa land..mind you we > might not be driving gently of course!! ;-) lol - gentle driving, moi? |
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