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SteveH - 03 Mar 2008 17:23 GMT
Just paid the bill for the 'big' cambelt service and MOT on the 156.

Anyone care to guess on the size of the bill?

(Cambelt, 60k service (minus plugs, they were done last time) and MOT)

'Prace bets now!'

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Halmyre - 03 Mar 2008 17:57 GMT
> Just paid the bill for the 'big' cambelt service and MOT on the 156.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> 'Prace bets now!'

£600.

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SteveH - 03 Mar 2008 18:02 GMT
> > Just paid the bill for the 'big' cambelt service and MOT on the 156.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> £600.

<Brucie mode>
Lower, Lower!

Total cost was £388.

Not *too* bad - but the 75 goes in this week, too....
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Jim - 03 Mar 2008 18:48 GMT
>>> Just paid the bill for the 'big' cambelt service and MOT on the 156.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Not *too* bad - but the 75 goes in this week, too....

Is that at an independent?? I'm guessing so.

Is it a petrol or diesel?
SteveH - 03 Mar 2008 18:50 GMT
> >>> Just paid the bill for the 'big' cambelt service and MOT on the 156.
> >>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Is it a petrol or diesel?

Indie, for a 2lt TSpark. The timing and balance belt kits are around 150
quid alone.
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Jim - 03 Mar 2008 19:31 GMT
>>>>> Just paid the bill for the 'big' cambelt service and MOT on the 156.
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Indie, for a 2lt TSpark. The timing and balance belt kits are around 150
> quid alone.

So is that first new cam belt or second??
SteveH - 03 Mar 2008 19:33 GMT
> > Indie, for a 2lt TSpark. The timing and balance belt kits are around 150
> > quid alone.
>
> So is that first new cam belt or second??

4th.
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Jim - 03 Mar 2008 19:47 GMT
>>> Indie, for a 2lt TSpark. The timing and balance belt kits are around 150
>>> quid alone.
>>
>> So is that first new cam belt or second??
>
> 4th.

Supercautious!!
SteveH - 03 Mar 2008 19:49 GMT
> >>> Indie, for a 2lt TSpark. The timing and balance belt kits are around 150
> >>> quid alone.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Supercautious!!

Not really, it's 9 years and 128k miles old.

This belt change was done about a month and 10k miles ahead of schedule,
though.

The first 2 changes were done on a mileage basis, the 3rd and 4th at 6
and 9 years. Which is what the revised schedule advises.

I'd rather err on the side of caution, than have to find a recon.
engine.
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Jim - 03 Mar 2008 20:11 GMT
>>>>> Indie, for a 2lt TSpark. The timing and balance belt kits are around 150
>>>>> quid alone.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> I'd rather err on the side of caution, than have to find a recon.
> engine.
Sorry to bang on......but does that mean your first one was at 72000K
and the others at 36?

I have a JTD which is coming up to three years old. Only done 15000 and
not sure when it's due. I should use it more!! I save it for best!
SteveH - 03 Mar 2008 20:44 GMT
> >>>>> Indie, for a 2lt TSpark. The timing and balance belt kits are around 150
> >>>>> quid alone.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> I have a JTD which is coming up to three years old. Only done 15000 and
> not sure when it's due. I should use it more!! I save it for best!

Erm, from memory.

36k, 72k, 113k and 128k. Ish.

JTDs are much more tolerant of belt changes, but, at 3 years old, I'd be
seriously considering having it done.

Is yours a 1.9 or 2.4? - 2.4s are known to last, but they're also a bit
tricky to change. Not sure about the 1.9, but they're peanuts to change
at an indie.
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Jim - 03 Mar 2008 20:47 GMT
>>>>>>> Indie, for a 2lt TSpark. The timing and balance belt kits are around 150
>>>>>>> quid alone.
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> tricky to change. Not sure about the 1.9, but they're peanuts to change
> at an indie.

Thanks for your advice. I'm grateful.

Jim
David A Stocks - 04 Mar 2008 11:52 GMT
> JTDs are much more tolerant of belt changes, but, at 3 years old, I'd be
> seriously considering having it done.
>
> Is yours a 1.9 or 2.4? - 2.4s are known to last, but they're also a bit
> tricky to change. Not sure about the 1.9, but they're peanuts to change
> at an indie.
My tame dealer tells me he's never seen a broken belt on a 2.4 JTD. The
official service interval is 72K, I had mine done at 60K.

D A Stocks
Jim - 04 Mar 2008 18:17 GMT
>> JTDs are much more tolerant of belt changes, but, at 3 years old, I'd be
>> seriously considering having it done.
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>
> D A Stocks

Is there much evidence of broken belts on the 1.9JTD? And is it still
72,000 for the first change?
cupra - 04 Mar 2008 18:54 GMT
>>> JTDs are much more tolerant of belt changes, but, at 3 years old,
>>> I'd be seriously considering having it done.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Is there much evidence of broken belts on the 1.9JTD? And is it still
> 72,000 for the first change?

I changed mine at 72K and coming up to 132K just now....
Zathras - 04 Mar 2008 20:18 GMT
>> I have a JTD which is coming up to three years old. Only done 15000 and
>> not sure when it's due. I should use it more!! I save it for best!
>
>Erm, from memory.

..alcohol assisted?  ;-)

>36k, 72k, 113k and 128k. Ish.

72K or every 5 years for JTD

>JTDs are much more tolerant of belt changes, but, at 3 years old, I'd be
>seriously considering having it done.

Coward - there's no problem following manufacturers spec on the JTDs.
The petrols are far too delicate and I'd be as scared as you and
change the belts at least in line with the new(ish) spec.

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SteveH - 04 Mar 2008 20:25 GMT
> >> I have a JTD which is coming up to three years old. Only done 15000 and
> >> not sure when it's due. I should use it more!! I save it for best!
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> The petrols are far too delicate and I'd be as scared as you and
> change the belts at least in line with the new(ish) spec.

Yes, I'm a coward with cambelts.

The 1.9JTD is a very simple lump shared with lots of Fiats and
Vauxhalls, so I'd have no issues in shelling out for a 3 year change -
even with a service, I reckon my local guy could do it for 200 quid.
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Zathras - 05 Mar 2008 09:52 GMT
>Yes, I'm a coward with cambelts.

A very sensible approach for the petrols!

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Halmyre - 05 Mar 2008 17:56 GMT
> >Yes, I'm a coward with cambelts.
>
> A very sensible approach for the petrols!

Sounds like a Kenny Rogers song...

"Everyone considered him the coward of the cambelts..."

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Catman - 05 Mar 2008 19:40 GMT
>>> Yes, I'm a coward with cambelts.
>> A very sensible approach for the petrols!
>
> Sounds like a Kenny Rogers song...
>
> "Everyone considered him the coward of the cambelts..."

A Steve named Sue?

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Zathras - 04 Mar 2008 20:22 GMT
>I have a JTD which is coming up to three years old. Only done 15000 and
>not sure when it's due. I should use it more!! I save it for best!

Do it on its 5th birthday or at 72,000 miles - whichever is first and
*do not worry* - I've never heard of any JTD breaking a belt (unlike
Alfa petrols).

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Halmyre - 03 Mar 2008 19:41 GMT
> > > Just paid the bill for the 'big' cambelt service and MOT on the 156.
> > >
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>
> Not *too* bad - but the 75 goes in this week, too....

<drops jaw>

Who do you have to shag to get it at that price?

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SteveH - 03 Mar 2008 19:44 GMT
> > > £600.
> >
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>
> Who do you have to shag to get it at that price?

Local, trusted, mechanic.

Works from a run-down back-street garage.

£30 / hour labour and a good parts supply.

Really nice bloke - if anyone is near-ish to South Wales, I'm happy to
pass on his details.

I did have some reservations, however, he's done every job / service on
my Alfas since we moved here and also did a cambelt on a VW 1.8T engine,
which is equally as complicated and fragile in this respect, so I
entrusted the job to him.
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GT - 04 Mar 2008 09:38 GMT
>> > Just paid the bill for the 'big' cambelt service and MOT on the 156.
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Total cost was £388.

Crikey. Mine was over £700 (Alfa dealer).
Alan Rogers - 07 Mar 2008 10:00 GMT
>> > Just paid the bill for the 'big' cambelt service and MOT on the 156.
>> >
>> > Anyone care to guess on the size of the bill?
>
> Total cost was £388.

Good grief, that's cheap.  My 72K was just shy of £490 - not including the
MOT which is what, £40 - £50 these days.  £388 is a steal.

And I thought I did well.  I've had the car just 3 years, bought it at 4
years old with 38K on the clock, previous owner had just had the 36K service
done (inc cambelt), cost him £848 (Northgate Alfa, Canterbury), although he
did have the rear hub eye bushes replaced.

Talking of the bushes I've never replaced them, is this something that
should be done as a matter of course at regular intervals?

Alan
Ted Tofield - 08 Mar 2008 11:53 GMT
On Mar 7, 10:00 am, "Alan Rogers"
<a...@NOPINKSTUFFarogers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > Just paid the bill for the 'big' cambelt service and MOT on the 156.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Good grief, that's cheap.  My 72K was just shy of £490 - not including the
> MOT which is what, £40 - £50 these days.  £388 is a steal.

<snip>

> Alan

I've just booked my 156 in for cambelt and variator change and it's
quoted at £380 + VAT inc. courtesy car from Rusper Alfa in Sussex

w00t!

Ted

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