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Car Forum / Pontiac / Pontiac Fiero / May 2005

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Fiero Problem... Not Sure

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Nate Sestrich - 17 Apr 2005 05:27 GMT
Hey guys,

   Ive recently been driving my 87 V6 GT since the weather has been so nice
and Ive developed a problem that Im not sure how to address, or even what it
is, but Im pretty sure they are all connected:

   First issue, when I drive 80 on the highway for about 4-5 solid minutes
without much variation in speed, my check engine light comes on.  Once I
park and do the old trick to check the engine code, I just get 12 over and
over, no problem found.

   Secondly, Ive been getting a large amount of soot on the back of my car.
Its not greasy or anything like that, its just some black spots with a
coating of black powder on the whole back of the car.  If I tug on the
throttle engine cable, the exhaust blows smoke, but it seems much more white
than blue, and it reeks of gasoline.  I just got the engine rebuilt about
800 miles ago, and Im hoping that I didnt screw up the piston rings or
valves yet.  Ive been thinking/hoping that the engine is running rich and
not burning all the gas, as opposed to burning oil.

   Lastly, which might not be a connected problem.  If I turn on the car
without pressing the gas pedal, it will stall out.  If I turn it on and just
pump the gas once its ok.

   So, I have talked to a few people who said my timing might be off?  It
does indeed run a LITTLE rough at idle, and I mean a little.  Nothing that I
would think suggests a timing problem.  Im hoping maybe somekind of sensor
is bad, but I dont know why my ECU doesnt record it and report it when I do
the check engine thing.  If anyone can tell me what even to TRY to replace
or check out, Id be willing to give it a shot.  I was hoping to get it
painted this month, but if Im going to get soot all over a brand new
paintjob every 3 days, to hell with that idea.  This is really starting to
irritate me, and if the piston rings have gone bad there will soon be a
Fiero for sale on the newsgroup, as Im about finished with trying to get the
car in great working order.  =)  Any suggestions are extremely helpful.
Thanks in advance you guys!

Nate
Phil Randolph - 17 Apr 2005 17:53 GMT
> Hey guys,
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> Nate

 The check engine light that you get while traveling on the highway is
most likely a code 32 ( EGR system) The ECM when put in diagnostic mode
will flash 12 three times then any stored codes three times then 12
three times and the process will repeat again and again. The best thing
to do is find somebody with a scanner and then you can read all the info
going to the ECM while the car is running.
Fierofool - 11 May 2005 02:58 GMT
> > Hey guys,
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> to do is find somebody with a scanner and then you can read all the info
> going to the ECM while the car is running.

First, don't touch the accelerator when starting.  It's fuel injected
and it has a cold'start injector to enrichen the mixture.  When you
open the accelerator, you dump excess air in and upset the air/fuel
ratio.  Pumping the accelerator on an engine that isn't started won't
do anything, since there's not an accelerator pump, like a carburetor.

Second, you're possibly having an issue with the EGR.  Remove the EGR
valve near the coil and distributor.  Clean the pintel in the bottom
and clean the port the EGR valve sits on.  With one hand, depress the
pintel, and put a finger over the vacuum line connection on the top.
Release the pintel and see if the EGR valve leaks down. If you have a
vacuum pump, pull a vacuum on the line that plugs to the top of the EGR
and see if it holds.  Check the little plastic line on the EGR Solenoid
on the right, near the thermostat housing.  If these don't solve the
problem, and stepping on the accelerator helps the engine to start, and
you smell very strong exhaust, change out the coolant temperature
sensor.  You'll have to remove the EGR solenoid to make it easier.  It
sits just under the EGR solenoid.  You can unplug the sensor first to
see if that helps the situation.  If it does, it's definately the
coolant temp sensor.
 
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