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Car Forum / Pontiac / Pontiac Fiero / June 2006

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Headlights not cooperating this year :-(

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My 'Lil Red Car - 07 Jun 2006 02:29 GMT
I am new to the group; however, I am not new to my Fiero :-)

Her first problem since inception... and as of this month, she is
20-yrs young, so I will not complain.

Headlights are not popping up.  Although my hubby does not work on
cars, he has a few engineering degrees, so he looked into it.  Of
course as soon as I saw the tools... I RAN.... couldn't bear watching
this part, but took something out, did whatever, put it back and
advised me the problem may be with the relay(s).  When he was done
(maybe 5 mins) they were working.

Well, it's a year later, and they are not working once again.  She must
pass the yearly state inspection due at month end.   She hasn't been
out since last year, in fact, she really doesn't get out much.

Any advise from y'all would be most appreciated.  Thanks...
Boomtastic Racing - 07 Jun 2006 02:47 GMT
>I am new to the group; however, I am not new to my Fiero :-)
>
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>
>Any advise from y'all would be most appreciated.  Thanks...

Doing the math I take it that she's an '86 model? If all hubby did was
mess with the relays previously, more than likely you'll be needing a
headlamp motor rebuild kit. See Rodney Dickman (www.rodneydickman.com)
for parts.

In the meantime, you can wind the headlamps "up" and "lock" them in
that way to pass inspection. (State inspection tests to ensure that
the lights are functional, and the up/down operation is not part of
that.) To put the lamps into the up position for now, turn the lamps
"on" and open the front hood. Any lamp that did not go up will need to
be hand wound by the knob on the top. Watch out though - with the
motors energized it is possible that at any point they could "catch"
nd go up automatically. Once fully up, look on the sides of the
headlamp brackets for a solitary blue wire with a black connector.
Unplug this and the lights will remain "up" when you turn them off.
My 'Lil Red Car - 07 Jun 2006 13:06 GMT
Yes, she's an 86 GT, V6-all options, with 5-speed Muncie -Original.
Mileage is a little over 20,000.   Seen a few raindrops, NO snow, and
obviously doesn't like the dark.

Hubby did test the motor with some kind of equipment he has, and
believed it to be registering good marks?  Is it possible to save the
motor?  Let me guess, this happened because they've probably been
turned on about six-times in life?

Also, once in a while, I noticed a tight-uncontrollable pull to the
right (all road situations).  I am able to work-it-out.  And when it
'releases' I hear a type of knock in right front floor area.

The 2001 inspection found the break-lines collapsed from under use, and
were replaced, before I had any problems to learn about.    Last years'
inspection, they were afraid to put her on the rack- or perhaps this
may have been noticed.

Could this be the problem again?  When we take the 'kids' out, we start
out slow... but definitely run 'm!

Any other lil things I should be expecting from your experience ??

I sure do admire the work you do with these little cars.  Although I
will keep my lil red 'original' (easy to do as hubby has a 93 GT
Mustang V8-(is there anything else?-ha), 5-speed...with a few
tweaks-ha)--   First time I saw your work was the 20th Anniversary
photos on: 2bluesc.com

Your advice is most appreciated....
Thank you....

Will tell him your suggestion.

> >I am new to the group; however, I am not new to my Fiero :-)
> >
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> headlamp brackets for a solitary blue wire with a black connector.
> Unplug this and the lights will remain "up" when you turn them off.
Boomtastic Racing - 07 Jun 2006 15:00 GMT
>Yes, she's an 86 GT, V6-all options, with 5-speed Muncie -Original.
>Mileage is a little over 20,000.   Seen a few raindrops, NO snow, and
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>motor?  Let me guess, this happened because they've probably been
>turned on about six-times in life?

I wish I could tell you it was from under-use, but more likely it was
just "time" that causes this. The bushings inside that drive the gear
break apart over time and cause the motor drive to disengage. A simple
flush, re-bushing and re-greasing gets you going again. :)

>Also, once in a while, I noticed a tight-uncontrollable pull to the
>right (all road situations).  I am able to work-it-out.  And when it
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>Could this be the problem again?  When we take the 'kids' out, we start
>out slow... but definitely run 'm!

The brake hoses shouldn't make any noises, or cause any for that
matter. Things that will cause noise, and cause the car to pull in a
given direction, would be a sticky caliper, problem with the steering
rack, or a suspension piece - and this last one could even be a rear
suspension piece. Best suggestion I have for you is to visit a *good*
front end alignment shop and have them take a look at it.

Unfortunately putting the car on a rack sometimes does not reveal a
problem (unless it's a drive-on type rack) as the suspension "hangs"
when the Fiero is lifted and the weight is not on it. Since the
vehicle will spend 99% of it's life on the ground, and the suspension
under a load, that's how you really want to check for problems. ;)

>Any other lil things I should be expecting from your experience ??

Hmm .. let's see. I would keep an eye out for leaks, especially around
the base of the distributor. The o-ring there will dry up from the
engine heat, crack, and oil will leak out - and right into the
transaxle, which will spoil the clutch, etc. A $2.00 o-ring can save
you lots of money in the long run. :) Keep the Getrag transaxle wet
with fluid. That's another costly piece to the Fiero. The brake and
clutch fluids should be clear, not brown and certainly not black. If
they are brown or (more likely) black, think about flushing them out.
The color change is caused by impurities in the fluid, and those
impurities are usually water. Water doesn't mix well with hydraulic
fluid (an oil essentially) so it floats around and wets the metal
lines, which causes rust. Rust is no good wherever it is - especially
in the hydraulic systems! LOL Speaking of rust, gently pull the
carpets back in the trunk. On the "upper level" of the trunk, in the
corners, look on the sides and at the curved part of the trunk (the
right side will be difficult to see with the engine cooler there, but
try anyways). Aggressively attack ANY rust that you see in that area.
This is the #1 place that Fieros will start to rust out because of the
design (flaw?) of the rear fender liners.

Those are some basics to look for. I am sure that there are more, but
those are the ones that will stop you from going anywhere, or cause
larger repair bills in the future. If you really want to be silly you
can start upgrading the car. For instance, '87/88 models had a larger
gas tank and better headlamp system - both of which will fit the
earlier years. Contact Ed Parks (www.thefierofactory.com) for more
information or parts if necessary.

>I sure do admire the work you do with these little cars.  Although I
>will keep my lil red 'original' (easy to do as hubby has a 93 GT
>Mustang V8-(is there anything else?-ha), 5-speed...with a few
>tweaks-ha)--   First time I saw your work was the 20th Anniversary
>photos on: 2bluesc.com

Why thank you. I appreciate your kind words. My pro street is a car
that you either love or hate. Purists hate it - I love it. :) For more
pictures you can go directly to my web site - www.boomtastic.com

Good luck, and I hope this helps!
Eric
My 'Lil Red Car - 07 Jun 2006 16:14 GMT
> >Yes, she's an 86 GT, V6-all options, with 5-speed Muncie -Original.
> >Mileage is a little over 20,000.   Seen a few raindrops, NO snow, and
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> Good luck, and I hope this helps!
> Eric
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Thanks a million for your knowledge...

Fortunate for me :) I have a guy in Ohio within 10-miles who is the..
Fiero GENIUSS!
I made an appointment and mentioned your comments (he appreciated
them), and she has an apointment next Wed, June 14.  Thank you...Thank
you...

Checked out your boomtastic website (actually had it in favorites
already-ha) it is one of the finest out there!

I still will look into the websites you mentioned.  And will mention to
my Fiero Genius.
 
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