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Car Forum / Pontiac / Pontiac Fiero / April 2007

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85 GT acts up after warmed up

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Serial # 19781010 - 11 Apr 2007 23:09 GMT
1985 Fiero GT 2.8L

First noticed problem/change: I have to crank the engine 3 times
before it will start. It was starting on the first cranking of the
engine.

Second problem/change:  I locally drive to somewhere, park and turn
off the car, short time afterwards, engine still hot, I try to start
and it acts gas starved, putt-putt-putt, give more gas,
putt-putt-putt, sometimes would fire up and run, sometimes not.

I can start and run the car short distance and not notice any problem
other than the starting on 3rd time cranking the engine.

ECM Error Codes: 13 oxygen sensor and 44 lean mix.

I am going to replace the oxygen sensor with a new one tonight.

I hear the fuel pump come on for 2 secs after ign key turned to on.  

What else could be causing the lean mix condition?
Serial # 19781010 - 11 Apr 2007 23:20 GMT
Oh, I forgot.
The car has about 45,000 orginal miles on it.
Robert W Hughes - 12 Apr 2007 01:38 GMT
> 1985 Fiero GT 2.8L
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> What else could be causing the lean mix condition?

You might want to check fuel pressure, fuel pumps don't last forever.
The V6 fuel pressure is referenced to the manifold absolute pressure. At
idle you would expect around 30psi, quick opening of the throttle should
cause it to jump to close to 40psi. Just turning on the key without
cranking should give 39-40psi and this should not bleed off rapidly.

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fiero1985gt@verizon.net - 27 Apr 2007 02:34 GMT
>> 1985 Fiero GT 2.8L
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>cause it to jump to close to 40psi. Just turning on the key without
>cranking should give 39-40psi and this should not bleed off rapidly.

Thanks for the info.

Sorry for my delay. My news reader program stopped working.

I put a pressure guage on and get only 15 psi at idle. Appears it is
certain my problem is fuel pressure related.

I had replaced the fuel filter 3 months ago, but need to check it to
make sure it is not clogged.

There is a test for the fuel pressure regulator, like putting 10psi
vacume to it and observing what happens to fuel pressure.

I suspect your right about the fuel pump, I just want to be sure
before getting into that. I can hear the pump running, but does that
mean anything?
 
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