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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Antique Cars / May 2004This DeLorean: Is this deal worth it?
Hello, perhaps some of you may offer an opinion on this deal 81 model with questionable engine for $7000+/12K miles. Second, what else should I ask about / be concerned about on this vehicle? Here are the vehicle pictures and information: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2243076521 Would I be OK if I bid under $10,000 for this car and fix it. The car only has 12K miles. Thanks. What should I ask about on this vehicle based on what is already given? Thanks. > Hello, perhaps some of you may offer an opinion on this deal 81 model > with questionable engine for $7000+/12K miles. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > What should I ask about on this vehicle based on what is already > given? Thanks. SPAM !!! Why is this Guy asking questions about his own car? If you read the ad, you can call a Guy called Warren , & the poster is also called Warren!! BTW Warren, you don`t need a professional to `undust`? the car.....just a hosepipe !!! Oh, & a tap with water . I think it is quite expensive. I have one in perfect condition that I'm looking for $20K. Reuven > Hello, perhaps some of you may offer an opinion on this deal 81 model > with questionable engine for $7000+/12K miles. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > What should I ask about on this vehicle based on what is already > given? Thanks. >Hello, perhaps some of you may offer an opinion on this deal 81 model >with questionable engine for $7000+/12K miles. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >What should I ask about on this vehicle based on what is already >given? Thanks. I would give the car a very, very carefull inspection before considering a bid on it. The person posting the acution obviously knows little about the car. ------------ Alex > >Hello, perhaps some of you may offer an opinion on this deal 81 model > >with questionable engine for $7000+/12K miles. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ------------ > Alex Use a good escrow service too. Friend of mine bought an '85 Jaguar on Ebay. The care was in PA, he's in RI. The guy drove the car up. Outside it looked beautiful but the guy was at least honest, the exhaust system fell off on the way up. And on opening the hood we could tell the car had been fairly well used and wasn't quite what the seller had advertised. No problem - he comes up here quite often anyhow. So my friend gave the car back, rescinded the escrow and everyone was happy. Well, maybe not the seller. > Hello, perhaps some of you may offer an opinion on this deal 81 model > with questionable engine for $7000+/12K miles. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > What should I ask about on this vehicle based on what is already > given? Thanks. The seller could have at least taken it outdoors and hosed it down. >The seller could have at least taken it outdoors and hosed it down. According to him, you need a professional to do that otherwise you risk damaging the stainless steel. Completely clueless seller. I would stay away for that reason alone. -------------- Alex >>The seller could have at least taken it outdoors and hosed it down. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >-------------- >Alex Strange, quick exposure to water damages stainless steel? I'm confused. :-P ***************** Check Us Out ***************** http://www.CarFleaMarket.com We help you sell off-line as well as online. > >>The seller could have at least taken it outdoors and hosed it down. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I'm confused. :-P I think you're supposed to be :)  SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004. I respond to Email as quick as humanly possible. If you Email me and get no response, see <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html> Short form: I'm trashing EVERYTHING that doesn't contain a password in the subject. > > >>The seller could have at least taken it outdoors and hosed it down. > > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I think you're supposed to be :) Perhaps it's 'special' white dust. J. are you talking about that "special" white pixie dust?? > > > >>The seller could have at least taken it outdoors and hosed it down. > > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > J. >Perhaps it's 'special' white dust. Ha ha - very witty!!! Best Regards John McCabe To reply by email replace 'nospam' with 'assen' WarrenDar@Lieu.org (Let_do_The_No) realised it was 5 May 2004 21:40:59 -0700 and decided it was time to write: >Hello, perhaps some of you may offer an opinion on this deal 81 model >with questionable engine for $7000+/12K miles. American poser's car, built by a coke dealer, with lots of British subsidies, in Northern Ireleand, famous only for being a low-quality, hard-to-sell dog that won't rust and starred in a series of forgettable movies as a time-machine. Avoid like the plague, especially when the seller has no valid reason to not clean it before the sale and seemingly has to advertise it in four newsgroups by posing as a potential buyer to arouse interest in the auction. SignatureY. In article <ujvk905daq4s8408c9p6jqol3vtokdncsj@newsfeed03.glasvezel.net>, yippee.104@intuh.net.invalid says... > WarrenDar@Lieu.org (Let_do_The_No) realised it was 5 May 2004 21:40:59 > -0700 and decided it was time to write: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > newsgroups by posing as a potential buyer to arouse interest in the > auction. I dunno - some of us make the Back to the Future link, some of us don't. However, the care does have collectible value based on a few facts. The first is that DeLorean bucked Detroit and built his car, his way. Second is the all stainless steel body. Manufacturers could do this to cars but the problem is getting paint to adhere. Someone figured out how to do this with a type of clear coat that tinted the bright silver to the desired color. It looked very cool at the time. And gull wing door - don't see much of those anymore. Granted, the cars are only at their 23rd year, but in about 10-15 years it'll be a bona fide collectible. I just can't see paying $10K for it. Tony P. <kd1s@nospamplease.verizon.reallynospam.net> realised it was Thu, 06 May 2004 20:34:33 GMT and decided it was time to write: >The first is that DeLorean bucked Detroit and built his car, his way. If he'd built a good, truly revolutionary car, I could have respect for that. But he didn't. He built a compromise, and a bad one at that. >Second is the all stainless steel body. Popular misconception. It's a glassfibre body (on a mild steel chassis) with a stainless steel skin. It would have been a better car without the extra weight of that useless skin. >Manufacturers could do this to >cars but the problem is getting paint to adhere. Painting stainless steel hasn't been a problem since the 1950's. >Someone figured out how >to do this with a type of clear coat that tinted the bright silver to >the desired color. It looked very cool at the time. The bare, brushed stainless steel looked cool - that's why Delorean didn't paint it. >And gull wing door Very badly implemented on the Delorean, with gas struts that were much too weak to be much good on the overweight doors. > - don't see much of those anymore. Gee, now why would that be? >Granted, the cars are only at their 23rd year, but in about 10-15 years >it'll be a bona fide collectible. In about 10-15 years time, it'll still only appeal to shallow posers who don't have the faintest idea about what makes a good sports car. >I just can't see paying $10K for it. I just can't see paying anything for it. SignatureY. > Tony P. <kd1s@nospamplease.verizon.reallynospam.net> realised it was > Thu, 06 May 2004 20:34:33 GMT and decided it was time to write: <snip> > >Someone figured out how > >to do this with a type of clear coat that tinted the bright silver to > >the desired color. It looked very cool at the time. > > The bare, brushed stainless steel looked cool - that's why Delorean > didn't paint it. And it saved the cost and aggravation of building a paint shop and getting good quality out of it. The stainless steel itself was a response to the poor surface finish from the molding process used: ERM, or Elastic Reservoir Molding, as I recall. <snip> Signature-Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors. > And it saved the cost and aggravation of building a paint shop and > getting good quality out of it. The stainless steel itself was a > response to the poor surface finish from the molding process used: > ERM, or Elastic Reservoir Molding, as I recall. Delorean wanted a car that didn't rust. I wasn't aware of the stainless being a response, rather, one of the few aspects of the car that wasn't compromised on. Richard SignatureSupra. New Beetle. Toyota Sera EXY10 1.5 Auto G5 - Wine red, Sushi. For sale. Too many cars - http://www.dmc12.demon.co.uk/allcars/ > > And it saved the cost and aggravation of building a paint shop and > > getting good quality out of it. The stainless steel itself was a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > being a response, rather, one of the few aspects of the car that wasn't > compromised on. Well, the plastic wouldn't rust, either. Why cover it with stainless which, under certain circumstances, will? It's additional weight and construction complexity. And it means all your hihg-priced sports cars come out the same color. I believe the ERM process was licensed from Lotus after Lotus couldn't find a use for it. Signature-Stephen H. Westin Any information or opinions in this message are mine: they do not represent the position of Cornell University or any of its sponsors. [ DeLorean "snortscar" ] > I just can't see paying anything for it. Oh, I dunno. I wouldn't mind having one to go with my Bricklin... Geoff Signature"A squealing tire is a happy tire." -- Bruce MacInnes, Skip Barber Driving School instructor >I just can't see paying anything for it. Well, if you've got you don't want.. .I'll gladly take one off your hands :-) Deloreans are one of the coolest cars ever made. I love 'em. Howard Rose <austinmini62NOSPAM@lycos.co.uk> realised it was Sat, 08 May 2004 15:51:32 +0100 and decided it was time to write: >Deloreans are one of the coolest cars ever made. Cool in the way an Edsel or Excalibur may be cool to some people. >I love 'em. I loathe them. Bad idea - badly executed. SignatureY. > Howard Rose <austinmini62NOSPAM@lycos.co.uk> realised it was Sat, 08 May > 2004 15:51:32 +0100 and decided it was time to write: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > Y. Agreed. Even Saint Chapman struggled to get it to handle. Give an egomaniac drug dealer a few million pounds of taxpayers money to set up in Ireland and that's what you get. If it wasn't for "Back to the Future" this automotive abortion would have been consigned to the dustbin of history. Geoff MacK >> Howard Rose <austinmini62NOSPAM@lycos.co.uk> realised it was Sat, 08 May >> 2004 15:51:32 +0100 and decided it was time to write: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Geoff MacK Why didn't it handle? I used to have an Alpine-Renault GTA with the V6 at the rear and it handled superbly, as did the later Alpine A610. SignatureChris Morriss > >> Howard Rose <austinmini62NOSPAM@lycos.co.uk> realised it was Sat, 08 May > >> 2004 15:51:32 +0100 and decided it was time to write: > >> > >> >Deloreans are one of the coolest cars ever made. > >> > >> Cool in the way an Edsel or Excalibur may be cool to some people. There's quite a difference between a mediocre car with some unusual features (DMC12) and a hideous car with nothing of interest (Edsel). > >> >I love 'em. > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Why didn't it handle? I used to have an Alpine-Renault GTA with the V6 > at the rear and it handled superbly, as did the later Alpine A610. Behind the rear axle is no place for an engine, period. I know the people who don't know Boxsters are better than 911s are going to flame me now... Biggest problem with the Delorean was its anemic engine. But if it hadn't been so underpowered, it would've been dangerous. Whatever John Z. was, he was NOT a drug dealer until, while about to lose his biggest dream, the feds tempted him with $100 million. Entrapment, plain and simple. I'm not a JZD fan, but he generally fought the evil forces at GM (and lost). I know what the Brits had in mind, but loaning him that much money wasn't a very smart move. David >Biggest problem with the Delorean was its anemic engine. But >if it hadn't been so underpowered, it would've been dangerous. It wasn't quite so underpowered in europe as it was in USA because of the less stringent emissions regulations - european cars actually performed quite well for that time - I think they could hit about 130-135mph and 0-60 in around 8.5s compared to US spec of around 110mph and 10.5s. See also. http://www.delorean.com/performance.asp http://www.delorean.co.uk/DMUK/perfomance.html Best Regards John McCabe To reply by email replace 'nospam' with 'assen' > Agreed. Even Saint Chapman struggled to get it to handle. Give an > egomaniac drug dealer a few million pounds of taxpayers money to set up in > Ireland and that's what you get. And get Arthur Andersen to audit the company too....come to think of it maybe they designed the chassis... >Well, if you've got you don't want.. .I'll gladly take one off your >hands :-) > >Deloreans are one of the coolest cars ever made. I love 'em. would go well with a mini and a 66 acvw, eh? JT >And gull wing door - don't see much of those anymore. Toyota Sera ? There's an owner in this thread. Cleaning a DeLorean _is_ a difficult job, like cleaning any stainless steel kitchen. The chrome in stainless steel is highly reactive and after any harsh cleaning you need to repassivate it carefully, otherwise you get uneven staining. Pressure-wash a DeLorean, leave it to dry in hot sun or after a city rainstorm and you'll find there are water droplet stains that won't shift. If you really go to town on one, passivate it afterwards (I'd suggest citric acid) before you let it dry. SignatureSmert' spamionam > Cleaning a DeLorean _is_ a difficult job, like cleaning any stainless > steel kitchen. Pah. All you need is a brillo pad and some fairy liquid.... <fx: Hello, OvenClean? Yes, I'd like to book my car in for a valet, please> > If you really go to town on one, passivate it afterwards (I'd suggest > citric acid) before you let it dry. How appropriate for a car widely perceived as a lemon... |
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