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Jim - 15 May 2005 00:51 GMT
What a wonderful bit of kit these are. And what a PITA to set up. Getting
the right software, installing, fiddling fiddling fiddling, mounting the
gps, where to put the laptop etc.
Initial attempts with map calibration were dismal failures...one trip to the
shop reported me to be in China. Decent maps soon fixed this minor glitch.
Better off to buy the whole shebang if you can afford it, better still buy a
new vehicle with it installed when you win Lotto.
I've always used paper maps, and will still carry them. But just having the
ability to confirm which track I'm on, and having the proximity alarm for
waypoints is great.
Unfortunately since the laptop is currently sitting strapped down in the
passengers seat, blonde swedish hitchhikers will have to keep walking (damm
! :)

Now I'll know where I'm lost :))

Cheers
Jim
Mike Harding - 15 May 2005 01:17 GMT
>I've always used paper maps, and will still carry them.

You bet!

Like you, Jim, I'm sold on moving maps but on my first
trip into the High Country using them the computer
refused to boot due to a hard disk error. All sorted out
when I returned home but was I glad I had my paper
backups.

Mike Harding
smack - 16 May 2005 03:06 GMT
> >I've always used paper maps, and will still carry them.
>
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>
> Mike Harding

you can't wipe your arse on a laptop (unless it's a mac)
Figjam\(cable\) - 15 May 2005 01:36 GMT
Jim what kind of gps and software do you use ?

> What a wonderful bit of kit these are. And what a PITA to set up. Getting
> the right software, installing, fiddling fiddling fiddling, mounting the
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> Cheers
> Jim
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 15 May 2005 02:03 GMT
>Jim what kind of gps and software do you use ?

Not sure what Jim's using but if you run Linux on your laptop instead of
Megasloth Windoze, check out a software package called GPSdrive that works
with Garmin (and perhaps other) makes of GPS unit:

http://www.gpsdrive.cc

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Craig's Saab C900 Site - 15 May 2005 02:08 GMT
>>Jim what kind of gps and software do you use ?

>Not sure what Jim's using but if you run Linux on your laptop instead of
>Megasloth Windoze, check out a software package called GPSdrive that works
>with Garmin (and perhaps other) makes of GPS unit:

>http://www.gpsdrive.cc

Something I forgot to mention is that GPSdrive is also suitable to use on a
PDA such as a HQ Ipaq. That's true portability for you.

I'm investigating it's use with my local bushfire brigade (of which I'm a
member) since we're trying to come up with good ways to make GPS gear more
useful in the field both during crew training and non-firefighting
actitivies, and also during core firefighting such as hazard reductions,
normal fire suppression, and big section-44 emergencies as well.

Currently our three vehicles have a single hand-held Garmin GPS-12 provided.
No remote power, no external antenna. They rarely get used, but I'd like to
see us make a lot more use of GPS if possible. Perhaps having a ruggedised
laptop PC in each vehicle with ability to connect to a GPS unit is a good
way to go.

Regards,

Craig.
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Toby Ponsenby - 15 May 2005 03:39 GMT
>>>Jim what kind of gps and software do you use ?
>
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>
> Craig.

Go the BIG aerial...
IMHO, trees, burning or not ain't a good thing to have between a GPS
and the satellites:-)
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Jim - 16 May 2005 01:15 GMT
> What a wonderful bit of kit these are. And what a PITA to set up. Getting
> the right software, installing, fiddling fiddling fiddling, mounting the
<schnip>

At the risk of sending techies and geeks into spasms of laughter, I'll try
and explain the software etc. I call it a retro tech system. (for those old
enough to remember, its also known as cheap or povo).

I have an old Thinkpad 760 laptop. (would you believe 64 meg of ram).
Oziexplorer was installed and thats where it all began. A very basic
Magellan 310 GPS was mated to the lappy and a copy of Natmap 2003 acquired.
Unaware that the appropriate "map" files were availiable off the net I
attempted all sorts of import and calibration moves to it all working.
Finally the penny dropped and I was away.
A copy of Great Desert Treks (I had the paper version) was procured (thanks
Bob :) was loaded and away we go.
Along the way I evaluated the Garmin Mapping software for Oz  (on the
desktop). A great bit of gear, as I found my propertys location wihin
minutes...with a house number. . I can see the value of in car nav systems.
What a pity they werent around when I was finding my way through strange
cities. What a boon to anyone who has to find different addresses every
business day.

Roll on a big Lotto win when I will be able to afford a td Sahara with all
the fruit :)

Yes, trees and clouds are not the GPS s friend. But I don't intend using
this stuff anywhere where thats a problem.

I don't really expect the electronics to survive the corregations and dust
of my trip. Its old stuff put together with chewing gum technology. But I'm
going to give it a good try.
Imagine coming to an intersection in the bush. No signposts.  3 of the
tracks will take you a long way from nowhere into the desert. With a this
stuff you can just turn around and see which one is the right one. Bloody
magic.

Ok guys you can go back to your dedicated mapping systems and PDA's etc now,
secure in the knowledge that at least one old doodle bug  doesn't take it
all for granted.

Cheers
Jim
Figjam\(cable\) - 16 May 2005 03:23 GMT
Im impressed Jim
well done and this sorta thingy is a goal for me for a trip to the cape next
year some time

Fig

>> What a wonderful bit of kit these are. And what a PITA to set up. Getting
>> the right software, installing, fiddling fiddling fiddling, mounting the
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> Cheers
> Jim
Jim - 16 May 2005 08:51 GMT
Dunno about impressing anyone, I was lucky to have some great people pass
along their maps.
If they'd of been there to point things out, I would of been up and away in
10 mts and not a week :((
Mate, start now :)) I just wish I'd of had it on all my trips up there. One
station property I crossed using the Bible (Ron Moon must of had different
sized tyres) and it said 120K. At 160k I was worried as night was falling, I
had a seriously sick passenger and there wasn't anywhere to camp.
There were so many little tracks everywhere that it wasn't funny, sidetracks
off detours off detours.
Turns out that all my detours around fallan trees added up to a LOTTA extra
mileage.
I thought I would be right, but wasn't sure. Having a crook passenger will
do that to you.
We ended up at Bramwell station, a nice camp indeedie. If its still run by a
lady and her son I can recommend it.
The locals told us there had been people lost on the track we came in on.
I wasn't surprised :))

Cheers
Jim
> Im impressed Jim
> well done and this sorta thingy is a goal for me for a trip to the cape next
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> > Cheers
> > Jim
Jim - 16 May 2005 08:57 GMT
Forgot to mention the trees were down as the Cape burns in the dry. I could
of used mooving mappies when I was looking for an airfield. Supposed to be
across the track. Couldnt see it so got out to answer the call of nature.
Thats when I realized that I was ON it. Only the variation in tree height
gave it away. That and the termite mounds. When something says "abandoned",
make sure you find out how long for :))

Cheers
Figjam\(cable\) - 16 May 2005 08:58 GMT
Cheers Jim
That kinda info is invaluable to anyone especialy when considering that
course.
Thanks again mate

Fig

> Dunno about impressing anyone, I was lucky to have some great people pass
> along their maps.
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>> > Cheers
>> > Jim
Jim - 16 May 2005 10:10 GMT
Glad to be of service mate. If you need any other info, give me a yell on my
email addy .

Cheers
Jim
> Cheers Jim
> That kinda info is invaluable to anyone especialy when considering that
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> >> > Cheers
> >> > Jim
Figjam\(cable\) - 16 May 2005 11:41 GMT
Cool thans mate for the offer
I might take you up on that one mate.
Thanks again kind sir   :)

> Glad to be of service mate. If you need any other info, give me a yell on
> my
> email addy .
>
> Cheers
> Jim
kevcat - 19 May 2005 05:15 GMT
"Figjam(cable)" wrote:

> Im impressed Jim
> well done and this sorta thingy is a goal for me for a trip to the cape next
> year some time

Geez just what I need, spend my time pulling you out of the sh.t
ya got a winch and suspension yet??

Kev
Figjam\(cable\) - 19 May 2005 16:42 GMT
No but i can carry a shitload a slack jack tailpipes to the cape in the boot
for ya chunka.
I drive a real truk not some gimped up urban cowboys mechanism.
The only pullin you'l be doin is if ya git on ya knees.
:P

Fig

> Geez just what I need, spend my time pulling you out of the sh.t
> ya got a winch and suspension yet??
kevcat - 20 May 2005 06:24 GMT
"Figjam(cable)" wrote:

> No but i can carry a shitload a slack jack tailpipes to the cape in the boot
> for ya chunka.
> I drive a real truk not some gimped up urban cowboys mechanism.
> The only pullin you'l be doin is if ya git on ya knees.
> :P

yeah yeah but are ya gonna have some real suspension in that thing or
are we gonna have to tow you over every little pot hole on the road?

Kev
Figjam\(cable\) - 20 May 2005 09:26 GMT
yeah yeah  i drive a cruisa trayback not some soft saggy arsed ppl mover
ok  i'll be goin realy slow so ya can feel good about ya dunga
and i'll even play possum in the creekbeds and let ya pull something out
jus so ya dont hav a yippy fit    OK !
Sheeeeez the things ya gotta do to stop ppl sookin

Fig

> yeah yeah but are ya gonna have some real suspension in that thing or
> are we gonna have to tow you over every little pot hole on the road?
Jim - 20 May 2005 12:01 GMT
> yeah yeah  i drive a cruisa trayback not some soft saggy arsed ppl mover
> ok  i'll be goin realy slow so ya can feel good about ya dunga
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> > yeah yeah but are ya gonna have some real suspension in that thing or
> > are we gonna have to tow you over every little pot hole on the road?

Now you  understand why I don't have any mates :))

Cheers
Jim
Figjam\(cable\) - 20 May 2005 16:00 GMT
hehehehe  nah mate hes jus some trukwit  :P
kinda like those who drag camper trailers up the beach and stay in a motel

Fig

> Now you  understand why I don't have any mates :))
>
> Cheers
> Jim
kevcat - 21 May 2005 12:09 GMT
"Figjam(cable)" wrote:

> hehehehe  nah mate hes jus some trukwit  :P
> kinda like those who drag camper trailers up the beach and stay in a motel

It was a Cabin ya goose
hehehe

Kev
kevcat - 21 May 2005 12:14 GMT
"Figjam(cable)" wrote:

> yeah yeah  i drive a cruisa trayback not some soft saggy arsed ppl mover
> ok  i'll be goin realy slow so ya can feel good about ya dunga
> and i'll even play possum in the creekbeds and let ya pull something out

playing possum, is that when you drive into a mud hole and your crappy
bullbar digs in one side and the tray catches the other and you are left
sitting with wheels off the gound?, remember mud tyres don't do a thing
when spinning in the air

> jus so ya dont hav a yippy fit    OK !
> Sheeeeez the things ya gotta do to stop ppl sookin

anytime you think that bog stocker leaf sprung pile of poo can better a
lifted coil sprung cruiser
come and try

:)

Kev
Figjam\(cable\) - 21 May 2005 16:42 GMT
> playing possum, is that when you drive into a mud hole and your crappy
> bullbar digs in one side and the tray catches the other and you are left
> sitting with wheels off the gound?, remember mud tyres don't do a thing
> when spinning in the air

yeah it was in the mud and it is a crappy bar and the tray is too low
and when where they off the ground  ??? well i spose from where you were
BEHIND me waitin to see how i got through coz you were too afriad to give it
a go and i at least had the balls to give it a shot.and i spose to the
untrained eye
the tires woulda appeared to be off the ground coz they were spinning so
fast
when i do lift my tray and when i do upgrade the bar what will be your
excuse
then seeins i still go the same places you do and i dont cry on the side of
the
trak coz i bent me tailpipe coz you got some bodgy fencepipe fitted for a
drain.

> anytime you think that bog stocker leaf sprung pile of poo can better a
> lifted coil sprung cruiser
> come and try

yeah it is a bog stock suspension, see thats the thing  if and when i do
decide to lift
mine it wont be some saggy arsed ppl mover it will be a tuff truk jus like
another one
you know of and they will kick you saggy a.s up the cape while your towin
that silly
bodgy box trailer you call a camper and sleepin at hotels coz you cant stand
roughin
it in the bush it beats the hell outta me why you went and paid money in the
first place
for a ppl mover when ya coulda got a real bush truk.
ya know if it wasn for us quiet achievers out there and we werent patient
enough to wait
for the likes of your type while you bandaged up ya  over priced garden hose
you call an
exhaust system  you still be out there lookin for some vines hangin outta
tarzans tree house
to tie up that nylex garden hose but i had fun even though mine got dirty
and even got
stuck and had to get pulled out by not one but two decent 4by's chained
together with
a hundred foot of chain coz no one else could get close enough or game
enough to pull me out
Now THATS a real day out in the bush

:P

Fig
Jim - 22 May 2005 00:06 GMT
> > playing possum, is that when you drive into a mud hole and your crappy
> > bullbar digs in one side and the tray catches the other and you are left
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>
> Fig

Geez u blokes must have scary missus's if ya have to argue with each other
:-)

Cheers
Jim
kevcat - 22 May 2005 06:30 GMT
> yeah it is a bog stock suspension, see thats the thing  if and when i do
> decide to lift
> mine it wont be some saggy arsed ppl mover it will be a tuff truk jus like
> another one

and you won't be getting stuck between a lil sand hump and a concrete
pillar neither I suppose

:)

Kev
Figjam\(cable\) - 23 May 2005 10:04 GMT
Wotya mean

> and you won't be getting stuck between a lil sand hump and a concrete
> pillar neither I suppose
>
> :)
>
> Kev
 
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