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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / 4x4 Cars (Australian group) / March 2006

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Oxygen Sensor? Injectors? Fuel Tank Breather?

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Crash Lander - 23 Mar 2006 02:11 GMT
Car is a '96 Pajero on LPG. (I know! I don't need to be told again!)
3.5L DOHC model

It might be a long shot, but something's sitting in the back of my mind that
says my original thoughts may have been wrong.
The car used to drive fine on both petrol and gas. Then, when on petrol, it
would start to drive as if it wasn't getting enough fuel. This would happen
after driving about 120km or so. It would then do this every time I put my
foot down to overtake or take off with any grunt. Initial thoughts were that
the fuel pump was on it's way out, because it was a somewhat intermittent
problem, as the next day, the car would be fine again for about another
180km.
Eventually the problem deteriorated to the point where the car basically
runs on about 3-4 cylinders when it's on petrol. On gas it's fine. At this
point, we started to think it was either the fuel pump, and then, once the
fuel pump was tested to be OK, we thought perhaps badly blocked injectors.
Again, another pricey problem. I continued to drive the car solely on lpg.
It's been 6 months now with no dramas, and have decides to look into it
further. It's a pain in the a.s to have only a 300km maximum range.
Recently, I had the LPG system 'de-gunked' from the wax sh.t that builds up
and causes shitty running when cold. The guys had major difficulties getting
the mixtures right afterwards, and discovered that the lpg computer was
faulty, and would cost about $500 to replace. Funds were lacking, so they
just disconnected it, and set mixtures best as possible, and all was fine.
Now, I spoke to another mechanic about it, and he suggested that if the
oxygen sensor was gone, it could cause the engine to run very badly (ie: on
3 or 4 cylinders) because it's not telling the computer to inject enough
fuel. He said also that because the lpg computer got it's information from
the oxygen sensor, then it might 'appear' to be faulty because it's working
off dodgy information from the stuffed oxygen sensor, but in actual fact not
be faulty at all.
Does any of this make sense to anyone, or does it sound like sh.t?
Crash Lander

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Peter Degotardi - 23 Mar 2006 05:50 GMT
> Does any of this make sense to anyone, or does it sound like sh.t?

You tried asking at http://pajeroclub.com.au/forum/PajeroForum.htm
and http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/ ?

Sounds reasonable to me... but then, I know squat about
this sort of thing ;-)

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Crash Lander - 23 Mar 2006 23:37 GMT
Not asked there yet, but I will tonight. Thanks.
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>
>> Does any of this make sense to anyone, or does it sound like sh.t?
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> Sounds reasonable to me... but then, I know squat about
> this sort of thing ;-)
Jim - 23 Mar 2006 09:25 GMT
> Car is a '96 Pajero on LPG. (I know! I don't need to be told again!)
> 3.5L DOHC model
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> Does any of this make sense to anyone, or does it sound like sh.t?
> Crash Lander

From what little I know about mechanics, your last guy sounds plausable. Is
it possible to find a sensor at the wreckers ?

Cheers
Jim
Crash Lander - 23 Mar 2006 23:33 GMT
> From what little I know about mechanics, your last guy sounds plausable.
> Is it possible to find a sensor at the wreckers ?
>
> Cheers
> Jim
I think an oxygen sensor is only about 30 bucks or so, so new is the go. If
I'm right about the price, and it's something I can replace myself, it might
be worth just doing it anyway and see what happens. Not really going to
break the bank is it! :-)
Crash Lander
Scotty - 24 Mar 2006 12:05 GMT
> Car is a '96 Pajero on LPG. (I know! I don't need to be told again!)
> 3.5L DOHC model

(snipped all the sh.t out)

This is almost exactly the same issue that I had on an older vehicle a few
years ago. It was a duel fuel Nissan. On gas not a worry in the world, great
in fact (just a short range tank, only 250kms) and petrol fine but on
occasion would start to starve and run like its on 3 (or 4) pots. Switched
to gas for a few kms and then back to petrol and its fine for a few days or
mins.  To cut the long story short, I had a custom petrol tank to make room
for the gas tank. The petrol tank manufacturerd used a silicon based product
for sealign around all the inlets/outlets/sender unit etc. After a few years
the sealant gave way and got sucked into the fuel line. Under hard
acceleration on occasion the silicon would travel around 6inchs up the fuel
pipe where it changed from Rubber pipe to bundy tube and became slightly
smaller. This is exactly where the the silion peices got stuck and with the
extar suction half blocked the damn fuel pipe until I turned on the gas and
the fuel demand seised allowing it to safely float back into the tank until
the nest time I was runnign late.

bastard of a fault to find and I ended up removeing the tank and blowing out
the fuel lines with nitrogen, first blow when tank was out and out came the
damn peice of silicon about 6mm wide and 50mm long, had been the extra that
squeezed out around the filler pipe. Boy was I glad to get that sorted out.

Is your tank custom made or origional? Could there be sh.t in the lines?
Crash Lander - 24 Mar 2006 12:10 GMT
> Is your tank custom made or origional? Could there be sh.t in the lines?
Custom tank. Pissy little 30L capacity thing. Might be worth dropping it out
and doing as you suggest.
Thanks.
Crash Lander
Scotty - 24 Mar 2006 12:17 GMT
>> Is your tank custom made or origional? Could there be sh.t in the lines?
> Custom tank. Pissy little 30L capacity thing. Might be worth dropping it
> out and doing as you suggest.
> Thanks.
> Crash Lander

It took me ages to find it as I removed the tank while the silicon was in
the pipe and flushed the tank and reinstalled before blowing the pipes out
while the tank was out.

Scotty
 
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