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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / 4x4 Cars (Australian group) / July 2006Smurf advice
My old foulcan just ran over 600k so I am thinking it might be time to replace it with a slightly better carry capacity ( but I am cheep) and I see the early 90's Smurfs are getting under $10k now with only 150k or so in a turbo , what should I be looking for as a fault situation bearing in mind it will never see more than a muddy driveway in my term of ownership , all I look for is a get in and go ( plus I have a source of bio). Where do they rust etc ? , I am tall and will be test driving a couple before xmas to determine if I will fit ? ( 196 cm) , any sensible advice appreciated . Tnx ' In advance B > My old foulcan just ran over 600k so I am thinking it might be time to > replace it with a slightly better carry capacity ( but I am cheep) and I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Tnx ' In advance > B Ive mine for sale if yoru keen. 91 RV6 SR5 Ltd wagon. Excellent condition in and out, just spent 1500 on new tyres and rims (31-10.5 BFG All Terrains and Alloys), new EFS Suspension, new heat reduction tint. Towbar, Bullbar, cruise (Why a manuals got cruise is beyond me), remote central lock, alarm, yadda yadda yadda Reply if ya keen. PS Done 230Ks. >> My old foulcan just ran over 600k so I am thinking it might be time to >> replace it with a slightly better carry capacity ( but I am cheep) and I [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > PS Done 230Ks. I doubt I would pay what you are asking ( how much ?) as I have a mate who owns a wholesale importer .. He is offering a 92 model with 160k new rubber etc ( turbo ) and auto for $8500.00 >>> My old foulcan just ran over 600k so I am thinking it might be time to >>> replace it with a slightly better carry capacity ( but I am cheep) and I [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > He is offering a 92 model with 160k new rubber etc ( turbo ) and auto for > $8500.00 Yeah but thats a Deisel auto, yuk. Im after 10. If you can get a good import go for it at that price. If its an import with new rubber the tyres are likely to be Jap plastic rings. Ive had them before, no thanks but I hope you do get a Surf/4runner. Great vehicles. >>>> My old foulcan just ran over 600k so I am thinking it might be time to >>>> replace it with a slightly better carry capacity ( but I am cheep) and I [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Im after 10. If you can get a good import go for it at that price. If its > an import with new rubber the tyres are likely to be Jap plastic rings. No! , I have contacts ( he buys all his tyres from there) so it's Australian sourced . Ive > had them before, no thanks but I hope you do get a Surf/4runner. Great > vehicles. I have about 600 kg of tools I drag about worth consevitavly 40k so it makes the back of the wagon drag even lower ( its normally 110. mm off the deck) I am beginning to think a better lock up higher off the ground is a good idea >>>>> My old foulcan just ran over 600k so I am thinking it might be time >>>>> to replace it with a slightly better carry capacity ( but I am cheep) [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > I am beginning to think a better lock up higher off the ground is a good > idea A surfs load is limited to 350 Kgs unless you upgrade the rear springs. (Mines already been done and rated at 750 Kg (Max 4runner can be loaded to), theres another $400 you will have to spend, now its $9000, add a set of alloys a bull bar and a tow bar and you could buy mine for the same price, and mines already done. ;o) >>>>>> My old foulcan just ran over 600k so I am thinking it might be time >>>>>> to replace it with a slightly better carry capacity ( but I am cheep) [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > alloys a bull bar and a tow bar and you could buy mine for the same price, > and mines already done. ;o) by your own admission its already done 230 . plus the 100k windback , I normally sell them at 10 years and 600k , thanks for the offer but I will take him on offer , I supply new computers and phones he offers a suitable smurf .. suddenly the thing is looking much cheaper ? , now with a tax dispensation I get it all back in a couple of years :) they already have alloys and I dont want a smash bar. > by your own admission its already done 230 . plus the 100k windback , I > normally sell them at 10 years and 600k , thanks for the offer but I will [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > they already have alloys and I dont want a smash bar. Umm no, mines a Australian new 4runner, no wind back here dude. As I said, hope ya get a good one they are great vehicles, Ive never had an issue with my ones. (Im on my 4th due to upgradeing each time) >> by your own admission its already done 230 . plus the 100k windback , I >> normally sell them at 10 years and 600k , thanks for the offer but I will [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Umm no, mines a Australian new 4runner, no wind back here dude. OoPS sorry . > As I said, hope ya get a good one they are great vehicles, Ive never had an > issue with my ones. (Im on my 4th due to upgradeing each time) I figure 5 years and trade it , thats around 300k so it will be well run in by then at 450k > I doubt I would pay what you are asking ( how much ?) as I have a > mate who owns a wholesale importer .. He is offering a 92 model with > 160k new rubber etc ( turbo ) and auto for $8500.00 It will have done more than 160k, simple fact of life with all imports is that they are "clocked" on the dock. That said, pay money to a good diesel mech to go over it with a fine tooth, check all compression, check cooling system very carefully indeed, particularly if a 2L-TE 9which on your year model, it will be). Don't worry too much about a stuffed or leaky turbo, $500 fixes that, unless you need a new housing, then its $1k (ouch). Also have him check the auto carefully, these things are basically indestructible given regular fluid changes, they are unfortunately a box that dirties up their fluid, and if not changed regularly they do tend to have trouble (frequently fixed by nothing more than a good flush, but it gets expensive after that). Other little things that cost a lot are things like news hoses, the ancient 2L engine looks like it is being raped by an Octopus there are so many hoses, most can be easily made form good stock hose, but it all takes time and costs if you are paying. Pump rebuilds can be very expensive as very few local shops have the gear required, bank on sending it to NZ to be rebuilt at a reasonable price. With injectors, when they are due, pay a good shop to rebuild yours, they will then last longer than "new". -- >> I doubt I would pay what you are asking ( how much ?) as I have a >> mate who owns a wholesale importer .. He is offering a 92 model with >> 160k new rubber etc ( turbo ) and auto for $8500.00 > > It will have done more than 160k, simple fact of life with all imports > is that they are "clocked" on the dock. Not always , I am lucky in that the buyer is my cousins wifes brother so if he says its at 160 it will be , I know it will have been neglected , I have a spare turbo and know how to rebuild injectors and maintain stink pots ( the military teaches all) > That said, pay money to a good diesel mech to go over it with a fine > tooth, check all compression, check cooling system very carefully > indeed, particularly if a 2L-TE 9which on your year model, it will be). he has several 2.4 availible so I have a choice . > Don't worry too much about a stuffed or leaky turbo, $500 fixes that, > unless you need a new housing, then its $1k (ouch). see above > Also have him check the auto carefully, these things are basically > indestructible given regular fluid changes, they are unfortunately a > box that dirties up their fluid, and if not changed regularly they do > tend to have trouble (frequently fixed by nothing more than a good > flush, but it gets expensive after that). first thing I will do is fiulds and add a cooler if not already fitted , I spend a lot of time in traffic > Other little things that cost a lot are things like news hoses, the > ancient 2L engine looks like it is being raped by an Octopus there are > so many hoses, most can be easily made form good stock hose, but it all > takes time and costs if you are paying. Nah , part of the deal > Pump rebuilds can be very expensive as very few local shops have the > gear required, bank on sending it to NZ to be rebuilt at a reasonable > price. Fuel pumps are not a problem , luckily a mate teaches the stuff at tafe' > With injectors, when they are due, pay a good shop to rebuild yours, > they will then last longer than "new". I know what to do ... but thats a ways off I think , did som in a mates cruiser recently , worked out at 25% of the cost a shop wanted and its running much better . anyway thanks ... I take it the bodys dont rot ? mush ? > Fuel pumps are not a problem , luckily a mate teaches the stuff at > tafe' I'm prepared to bet money that no TAFE in australia has the gear to set up a series 1 EDC pump from a 2L-TE. 2l & 2L-T, not a problem, but the 2L-TE is an orphan and requires specific setup data and specific equipment that is very thin on the groun in Oz. Still, you might suprise me, but given that it is now bygone tech, I simply doubt it. > anyway thanks ... I take it the bodys dont rot ? mush ? Therein lays a tale. I should have mentioned that you will need to renew the underbody sound-deadening and have it rust proofed. They give them an extra odinarily thorough clean with some harsh chemicals. -- >> Fuel pumps are not a problem , luckily a mate teaches the stuff at >> tafe' [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > specific setup data and specific equipment that is very thin on the > groun in Oz. I will ask him , after all it could well be years before it is required > Still, you might suprise me, but given that it is now bygone tech, I > simply doubt it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > renew the underbody sound-deadening and have it rust proofed. They give > them an extra odinarily thorough clean with some harsh chemicals. not a problem , I normally do each and every car I purchase , it is a good investent to seal everything by hand personally . > >> I doubt I would pay what you are asking ( how much ?) as I have a > >> mate who owns a wholesale importer .. He is offering a 92 model with [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > neglected , I have a spare turbo and know how to rebuild injectors and > maintain stink pots ( the military teaches all) Does he manage the export end and acquisition in Japan as well as the import end? If not, it's unlikely he could guarantee the mileage. It is more likely to be clocked on the Japan end, if at all. I had an import that was 24,000km on the clock and it must have been very close to that if it had been clocked. The gears were virgin, no markings, tight clutch, belts ended up with correct wear etc. So it was either not wound back or they only wound it like 5,000km or so... which doesn't really seem worth it. My suspicious side tells me that there's a lot to be gained by misinforming and discrediting grey imports, especially by the local new and used car salesyards. Then the other side of me realises that an organised and protected practice of winding the clocks back in Japan is entirely plausible. The yakuza have their hand in a lot of big business, and I am sure they haven't spared the auction yards! Perusal >>>> I doubt I would pay what you are asking ( how much ?) as I have a >>>> mate who owns a wholesale importer .. He is offering a 92 model with [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > end? If not, it's unlikely he could guarantee the mileage. It is more > likely to be clocked on the Japan end, if at all. He does , his wifes .. 'lation > I had an import that was 24,000km on the clock and it must have been very > close to that if it had been clocked. The gears were virgin, no markings, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and discrediting grey imports, especially by the local new and used car > salesyards. yes there is indeed , but if you have a jap reading person its amazing what all the stickers tell you . Then the other side of me realises that an organised and > protected practice of winding the clocks back in Japan is entirely > plausible. The yakuza have their hand in a lot of big business, and I am > sure they haven't spared the auction yards! they come from wreckers ( never get to the auctions)and I can't comment on the dodgy bro side of it.. > Perusal he had some little thing there recenlty which was a tiny little 990 cc Honda ( I think) with a fesking HUGE turbo on it , sels like rego is determined by engine size not turbo.. > >>>> I doubt I would pay what you are asking ( how much ?) as I have a > >>>> mate who owns a wholesale importer .. He is offering a 92 model with [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > end? If not, it's unlikely he could guarantee the mileage. It is more > > likely to be clocked on the Japan end, if at all. > He does , his wifes .. 'lation Ah right. That's pretty solid then. > > I had an import that was 24,000km on the clock and it must have been very > > close to that if it had been clocked. The gears were virgin, no markings, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > yes there is indeed , but if you have a jap reading person its amazing > what all the stickers tell you . Exactly. I didn't have a Japanese reading person - but I do now for future reference :) > Then the other side of me realises that an organised and > > protected practice of winding the clocks back in Japan is entirely [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > they come from wreckers ( never get to the auctions)and I can't > comment on the dodgy bro side of it.. Yeah it's all speculation... when I was over there though I learnt a lot about small business and how it operates side-by-side with org. crims. Not in a criminal way necessarily, but protection money (which was actually reasonably priced) brought with it a lot of useful business info, contacts of suppliers etc. All I know is they try their hand at everything! > > Perusal > he had some little thing there recenlty which was a tiny little 990 cc > Honda ( I think) with a fesking HUGE turbo on it , sels like rego is > determined by engine size not turbo.. I think under 800cc is considered a K-car - or maybe 1000cc... one of the two. You get a big discount if you're under that figure. Perusal > My suspicious side tells me that there's a lot to be gained by > misinforming and discrediting grey imports, especially by the local > new and used car salesyards. What you say above is absolutely correct. In fact the FUD campaign run by Toyota was largely responsible for getting the LVIS scheme absolutely eviscerated in 2000/2001. I own an Import Surf, bought on the dock out of literally 1,000 that were lined up. I thought that I'd avoided the "clocking" but subsequently I found that mine had been clocked, determiend by the difference between the odometer reading and when the "T-belt" light illuminated (runs independant of the odo on Surfs). > Then the other side of me realises that > an organised and protected practice of winding the clocks back in > Japan is entirely plausible. I wouldn't blame it on the Yakuza, just a SOP of the business. -- > My old foulcan just ran over 600k so I am thinking it might be time to > replace it with a slightly better carry capacity ( but I am cheep) and I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Tnx ' In advance > B The only real problem I have heard of is the cooling system lots of overheated engines that crack heads get the cooling system upgraded before summer the rear springs sag(this was the same with the 4Runners sold everywhere), get a set of heavier rear coils and shocks other than that you should be fine as you seem to be able to fix or source the other bits ok Kev >> My old foulcan just ran over 600k so I am thinking it might be time >> to replace it with a slightly better carry capacity ( but I am cheep) [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Kev Ok , chatting to the mechanic mate he has a source of springs apparantly... . Ill have a look at the next shipment.. Sounds like a tuff little truck , now if the dogs fit in the back I will be happy. > > Kev > Ok , chatting to the mechanic mate he has a source of springs > apparantly... On the topic of springs, personal recommendation for King springs. I like them cause they use a nice heavy, single rate wire that achieves a slightly higher than stock ride height in a shorter free length spring, makes them a little easier to fit (an easy job by the way). I have a personal hatred of dual rate or progressive wound springs, it has been my experience on every occasion I've been talked into trying them that the "softer" portion sacks out bloody quick on the roads up here, leaving you with less than stock ride height and a ride like a dray on the remaining "heavy rate" part of the spring. Others of course will swear by dual rate springs... -- >>> Kev >> Ok , chatting to the mechanic mate he has a source of springs [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > slightly higher than stock ride height in a shorter free length spring, > makes them a little easier to fit (an easy job by the way). I have a set of single rate King super low heavy dutys under one of the toys rides like a billy cart but at 1600 kg it corners very well. > I have a personal hatred of dual rate or progressive wound springs, it > has been my experience on every occasion I've been talked into trying [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Others of course will swear by dual rate springs... well they can continue in the delusion , you know what they say about keeping quite . |
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