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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / 4x4 Cars (Australian group) / July 2006Dual Cab 4x4 - opinions
Okay, time for everyone's opinions to come out! My brother is taking a look at a few possible dual cab 4x4s and so I was wondering what people's opinions were of the following (diesel or petrol where applicable): Toyota Hilux - new (heard they're not as good as the last model in terms of reliability?) Nissan Navara - new Nissan Navara - last model (good prices, old shape) Mitsubishi Triton - new (a bit of an unknown) Rodeo - new (do they suffer as terribly as the Commodores do in resale?) He's going to be using it mostly for road work, some holidays off-road (probably sand), and some general lugging of gear around the place. Perusal Seems to be a bit of a consensus that the Hilux is most durable/reliable/drivable... end of the day, depends what your brother wants the car for, how he drives, etc... Personally, I'm going a Hilux SR5 D4D, with off-road kitout from ARB/Carryboy... > Okay, time for everyone's opinions to come out! My brother is taking a > look [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Perusal > Seems to be a bit of a consensus that the Hilux is most > durable/reliable/drivable... Yeah I had always thought that of the last model... I'd just heard a few stories about the new model. > end of the day, depends what your brother wants the car for, how he drives, > etc... Yeah, the summary of his use was mentioned... can't tell you much more than that. Might come down to personal preference of cabin etc. at test drive time. > Personally, I'm going a Hilux SR5 D4D, with off-road kitout from > ARB/Carryboy... Yes I prefer the Navara and Hilux, but I have never owned either of them. Is the Hilux built in Japan? The Navara is built in Spain and I have noticed a few niggly bits in my Pathfinder that I have never found in my previous Japanese cars Perusal. > > Okay, time for everyone's opinions to come out! My brother is taking a > > look [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > > Perusal Have a chat to Rod Outback about the Navara. Rodeo's suffer from the fact that they are dated compared to the other vehicles. Still they are bombproof, there are not as many modifications, they also sound like a tractor in the diesel. I would prefer the last model of Hilux in an SR5 trim... like I have. My Hilux has not missed a beat and there is no hassles with modifications or parts anywhere in Australia. Diesel is also my preference, but then again I am in Southern and Western NSW and prefer the benefits of diesel. Muddy > Yes I prefer the Navara and Hilux, but I have never owned either of them. > Is the Hilux built in Japan? No latest Hiluxs built in Thailand The Navara is built in Spain and I have > noticed a few niggly bits in my Pathfinder that I have never found in my > previous Japanese cars > > Perusal. If you go for the Rodeo get an 05 one or an auto. The manual Alloytech is a PITA. > > Yes I prefer the Navara and Hilux, but I have never owned either of them. > > Is the Hilux built in Japan? > > No latest Hiluxs built in Thailand I had a funny feeling I'd heard that somewhere before :/ Perusal > The Navara is built in Spain and I have > > noticed a few niggly bits in my Pathfinder that I have never found in my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If you go for the Rodeo get an 05 one or an auto. The manual Alloytech is a > PITA. I've heard a few negative things about the Hilux too, like chassis bending , thirsty ( petrol model )Maybe someone else knows more about that. I'm in a similar position, I'm looking to upgrade my existing dual cab 4WD. I don't do extreme 4WD'ing s but use it for the same reasons that you outlined, carry motorbikes, do a bit of driving on dirt roads, go to Moreton etc I've almost ruled out Toyota mostly because of the attitude of the Toyota dealers I've spoken to in Brisbane. They couldn't give a sh.t,and don't provide quotes, don't return calls etc.I've been to 3 different dealers and htey were all the same. Obviously they don't have any trouble selling their quota of Hiluxes so they don't have to make an effort. I didn't buy a Toyota last time for the same reason . I favour the new Navara (petrol ) I spend a lot of time driving in traffic and couldn't drive a diesel, they're all slugs. I've got a Triton ( 4 years old , 125KK ) and I really can't fault it , The 3L v6 has enough acceleration for traffic, pulls a trailer quite easily and fuel economy is acceptable . The biggest bitch I have with Mitsubishi is the dealers, service wise they couldn't give a sh.t either. I want to get rid of the Triton while it still looks OK and before it gets too many more K's on it. I'm a bit put off by the look of the new Triton but I've only seen pictures of it. Is it released yet ? I'm waiting to see how the new Triton pans out I believe it has 3.4L Pajero motor, I'll wait and see if the new Navara gets a few runs on the board as well . Plan B is the Rodeo. DP > Okay, time for everyone's opinions to come out! My brother is taking a > look [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Perusal > I've heard a few negative things about the Hilux too, like chassis bending > , thirsty ( petrol model )Maybe someone else knows more about that. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I favour the new Navara (petrol ) I spend a lot of time driving in traffic > and couldn't drive a diesel, they're all slugs. DP, test drive that CRD diesel - it's nothing like the older diesels! I have the Pathy in turbo diesel and it's a really great engine (and yes, most of the time it's in the CBD unfortunately!). > I've got a Triton ( 4 years old , 125KK ) and I really can't fault it , The > 3L v6 has enough acceleration for traffic, pulls a trailer quite easily and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Plan B is the Rodeo. Thanks for the opinions mate. Perusal > DP > I've heard a few negative things about the Hilux too, like chassis bending > , thirsty ( petrol model )Maybe someone else knows more about that. [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> >>Perusal I've seen some being towed about on car carriers and they do look as ugly as the pics suggest also saw some new turbo Territorys being moved about Kev > I've seen some being towed about on car carriers and they do look as > ugly as the pics suggest > > also saw some new turbo Territorys being moved about > > Kev Yeah, new cars often cop a lot of flak though, especially when they go for the "curvy" look. Look at the Hilux - it copped loads of sh.t when it came out. While it sits with me a lot better now, it's taken me a while to get used to! The Triton will probably be the same a year after its release. Perusal >Okay, time for everyone's opinions to come out! My brother is taking a look >at a few possible dual cab 4x4s and so I was wondering what people's [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Perusal I know these are not often mentioned, but I have for the past 3 years, had a Ford Courier XLT (Mazda Bravo) 2.5 Intercooled Turbo deisel, and could'nt be happier. I too, use it mainly as you describe, and have found it really great. Plenty of grunt, pick up surprises a lot of Petrol owners at the lights ( <(:-)))) ) Fairly consistent economy of around 9.25ltres/100klms, over the past 65 ~70,000 k's Prior to this I had a 1980 Hilux 4x4 petrol motor from new for some 22 years. When buying the new vehicle, I too looked at the Toyo's again, but was not too impressed with the skittery feel of the steering. I have always been a petrol car person, but this deisel has certaily changed that. They are worth a look at least. > Prior to this I had a 1980 Hilux 4x4 petrol motor from new for some 22 > years. When buying the new vehicle, I too looked at the Toyo's again, > but was not too impressed with the skittery feel of the steering. Please explain "skittery feel", no problem with my 3 yr old Hilux's steering. Daryl >> Prior to this I had a 1980 Hilux 4x4 petrol motor from new for some 22 >> years. When buying the new vehicle, I too looked at the Toyo's again, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Daryl Skittery, under full acceleration the rear skips over anything. >>> Prior to this I had a 1980 Hilux 4x4 petrol motor from new for some 22 >>> years. When buying the new vehicle, I too looked at the Toyo's again, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Skittery, under full acceleration the rear skips over anything. Haven't noticed that with mine. I have a lockable toolbox with about 40kg of gear in it which seems to be enough to settle the rear suspension. Daryl >> Prior to this I had a 1980 Hilux 4x4 petrol motor from new for some 22 >> years. When buying the new vehicle, I too looked at the Toyo's again, >> but was not too impressed with the skittery feel of the steering. >> >Please explain "skittery feel", no problem with my 3 yr old Hilux's >steering. "twas just a very light (Too light for my liking) in the front end, steering I suspect. Perhaps it was incorrectly adjusted, who knows. Anyway too light for me. The Ford Courier had more feel of the road. >Daryl >>> Prior to this I had a 1980 Hilux 4x4 petrol motor from new for some 22 >>> years. When buying the new vehicle, I too looked at the Toyo's again, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >>Daryl My SR5 has 75000kms on it and the roof trim came off it has a constant clunk no one can figure out what is is. They had to replace the first gear O what a feeling. Plus it was recalled for oil feed in the gear box or something like that. >>>> Prior to this I had a 1980 Hilux 4x4 petrol motor from new for some 22 >>>> years. When buying the new vehicle, I too looked at the Toyo's again, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Plus it was recalled for oil feed in the gear box or something like that. Manual or auto? Mines a 2003 Xtra Cab 4WD, V6 5spd man and I haven't heard of a recall, its done just over 80,000klms and apart from servicing I haven't put a spanner on it. Daryl >>> Prior to this I had a 1980 Hilux 4x4 petrol motor from new for some 22 >>> years. When buying the new vehicle, I too looked at the Toyo's again, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Perhaps it was incorrectly adjusted, who knows. Most likely had too much pressure in the tyres. > Anyway too light for me. The Ford Courier had more feel of the road. Can't say that I've noticed light steering, even at 140kph the steering feels good. Daryl >>>> Prior to this I had a 1980 Hilux 4x4 petrol motor from new for some 22 >>>> years. When buying the new vehicle, I too looked at the Toyo's again, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Most likely had too much pressure in the tyres. One would have thought that at least with the Demo one that things are set up right..... >> Anyway too light for me. The Ford Courier had more feel of the road. >> >Can't say that I've noticed light steering, even at 140kph the steering >feels good. Nah! did'nt even get up to any speed, this was just a suburban test drive, around 50 ~ 60kph in a demo vehicle. >Daryl |
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