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An interesting observation
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K00k Wrangler - 07 Aug 2006 23:19 GMT My personal response to the increase in fuel costs has been to ride my push-bike to work a couple of times a week, as this is a 60km round trip it took some "work up" before I could get there at all, never mind get home again 8 or 9 hours later. The good thing is that I can now do it relatively easily and aside from lower weekly fuel bills my middle age spread that was so handsomely helped by my 4 years return to University has also started to shrink and I now fit back into clothes I haven't been able to wear for nearly 20 years - a further cost saving, but not the point of this post.
When you ride a push bike you notice a lot more about the roads you travel on than you do when ensconced in an air-conditioned cocoon. For instance I've always regarded the Cook Highway from the beach where I live, the the city of Cairns as well, pretty much flat. I now know that this is not the case and I find myself looking forward to the next level bit, or even joy of joys, the next slightly downhill bit that means that I can either back off a bit and maintain current speed or alternatively maintain effort and speed up.
Aside from a greater awareness of terrain, you also quickly gain an understanding of the cretinous behavior of the average motorist, but that is another story.
The thing I wanted to say is that you become much more aware of the smell of vehicles as they pass you, and it is this that leads me to my "interesting observation".
In the past weeks I've become aware of an increasing number of diesel trucks, cars and 4WDs that when they pass me they leave behind a pleasant odor not at all unlike that found in a nice clean fish and chip shop. The different smell is quite noticeable when compared to the stench from petrol driven vehicles and even other diesel vehicles - the smell from some telling me that the annual dump of excess heating oil has begun already....
But going back to the "fish and chip" smell which used to be a rarity but is now becoming and every day experience I suspect that quite a lot of people, and even small firms are batching up their own bio-diesel.
The other day when I was at Coles and saw Coles brand "blended vegetable oil" on special for 90c for a 1 litre bottle I was tempted to contact a wholesaler and find out what the damm stuff costs per litre in bulk.
If you are lucky enough to have a diesel with an "in-line" pump, you can with a bit of fiddling around run them on direct unprocessed vegetable oil without mucking about with trans-estering it with Methanol to make biodiesel.
I'm tempted, notwithstanding that my previous experience with bio-diesel led me to believe that it was non-viable, but then diesel wasn't $1.40 a litre then either....Might start looking around for an old Peugeot or Merc diesel, or even an early cruiser or patrol I think to test this out.
anyone else thinking on similar lines?
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Garry Beattie - 07 Aug 2006 23:52 GMT > I'm tempted, notwithstanding that my previous experience with > bio-diesel led me to believe that it was non-viable, but then diesel [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > anyone else thinking on similar lines? A mate of mine has been making his own Bio Diesel for quite some time now. It was real hit and miss at first but now he has it down to a fine art and I don't think he has actually purchased any diesel for quite a few months. It cost's him about 60 cents per litre.
Once he got it all sorted out he offered his equipment to me for use to make my own bio diesel but I thought with all the mucking around involved, I thought I would rather pay the extra 25 cents and just fill up at the gas station. Well that 25 cents has now grown to almost 80 cents difference and so now I think it is a very worth while proposition.
Mind you, while we still have, and use, the Nissan Patrol Turbo Diesel, our main vehicle at present is the Petrol Toyota Prado. The Nissan is used as the spare car for towing the boat etc.
Garry
Biggus - 08 Aug 2006 00:09 GMT <snip> f.ck off.
The Kook Wrangler - 08 Aug 2006 01:05 GMT > <snip> > f.ck off. Aw snookums, still haven't got over being called for telling yet more lies about your imaginary friends then?
Actually, that's a mistake, as your friends are imaginary I guess "they" can say anything you want them too......
You know like your mechanic mate who can't fix Toyotas so blames it on them being "imports". Or your "policeman" mate who told you that you can't be done for DUI on a pushbike, or some such other nonsense.
Had any interesting, if of course imaginary, chats with cars lately?
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Rainbow Warrior - 08 Aug 2006 08:44 GMT >> <snip> >> f.ck off. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Actually, that's a mistake, as your friends are imaginary I guess > "they" can say anything you want them too...... You don't have to forgive Biggus, it's just the best quality reply he can give on any subject.
> You know like your mechanic mate who can't fix Toyotas so blames it on > them being "imports". Or your "policeman" mate who told you that you > can't be done for DUI on a pushbike, or some such other nonsense. > > Had any interesting, if of course imaginary, chats with cars lately? Jim - 08 Aug 2006 01:40 GMT > My personal response to the increase in fuel costs has been to ride my > push-bike to work a couple of times a week, as this is a 60km round [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > anyone else thinking on similar lines? http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm
The Kook Wrangler - 08 Aug 2006 02:16 GMT > http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm Jim.
Thanks for that, interesting.
I'm looking at something similar to http://www.plantdrive.com It seems to me that the trick is to set up a second fuel tank for the vegetable oil, and then arrange a means of heating the fuel (canola oil) in it. Running the exhanust through it would probably do the trick based on my experience many years ago with a "Rumley Oil Pull Tractor" that you started on kero, warmed up on diesel and once the exhaust running through the fuel tank had made the bunker fuel in it liquid, you ran all day on that.
Plant drive have some very neat, but expensive ways of doing this, I reckon as an experiment I take the "bucks down" approach. My maths is like this:-
The direct cost of making biodiesel is (I reckon) between 65c and 80c per litre, to which you add the cost of electricity, filters and waste disposal. This of course assumes that you get 2nd hand chip oil for nicks.
Whereas, it would seem that I can buy brand new "blended vegetable oil" (the blend being whatever vegetable oil is cheap that week/month when the blender makes it up) in 20lt drums for about 85c/lt, slightly less if I buy in 400lt lots and supply my own tankage.
Now it seems to me that in the long term, setting up a second fuel system in a vehicle, and some additional filtration of the fuel is a whole lot less hassle than running around scrounging used chip fryer oil, it also doesn't involve playing with lethal chemicals (methoxide) and has no waste disposal problem.
First step, find a second hand vehicle with an inline pump.
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Jim - 08 Aug 2006 04:20 GMT >> http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > First step, find a second hand vehicle with an inline pump. I'd be interested in your observations. As one who can't really afford to have his diesel engine go bang, or fuel system drop out onto the road, making my own is a fantasy. I did have a peek at bio but it was hardly hassle free. Consistant quality appears to be the problem for the home grown. Plus getting the bits together at an affordable price. In my case I just don't think that it would fly. However I have used Gull 20% bio in WA and was most impressed (it seemed to be a bit cheaper also...and that's impressive by itself :)
Cheers Jim
The Kook Wrangler - 08 Aug 2006 05:07 GMT The site you referred me to was interesting. I'd never considered the possibility of simply mixing SVO with fossil diesel, in up to 50/50 ratio according to that site.
What I've decided to do is I'm going to run my tank to near empty and then I'm goping to put in 20lt of diesel and (initially) 5lt of SVO. If nothing horrid happens I'll trial 20/10 for a while and if still nothing dire happens, I'll give 50/50 a go.
This is worth doing as my pump in the surf is due for a rebuild in about 50k, so I'm not overly shortening its life if something bad does happen to it and I can currently buy "blended vegetable oil" for a lot less than I can buy diesel.
I'll check back from time to time to see how its going, but I am genuinely looking for a 80's~90's Pug or Merc to try the full-on start on diesel-run on vege oil -purge to diesel on shutdown routine.
Pity of it is that there was a 300TD wagon for sale in Brissie a couple of weeks ago that would have been perfect as it already had a second (normal) fuel tank fitted which would have save costs.
Still, if eBay is anything to go by the price of 4WDs is in freefall so I might end up with a similar aged Patrol or Cruiser.
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just us - 08 Aug 2006 08:19 GMT A little off topic but I too have discovered riding my pushie. (umm I actually get paid kilometers at work so am definitely in front if I ride my bike!)Unlike you Kook I live on the Atherton Tablelands and you either have wind or hills! I rode down the Quaid Road the other day (and back up! woohooo). What a shame that is not an open road. the scenery is just terrific. Drive up sometime, park away from the main road and do a ride down the hill to Wangetti Beach then turn around and ride back up! Totally exhilarating. Next week I am riding to Mt Carbine (lol totallly different to taking the Hilux) and in a couple of weeks we are going to conquer the Cooktown road. Although this will take us 2 1/2 days think of the fuel we save. Sorry just had to get slightly off topic! Kathy.
Jim - 08 Aug 2006 11:21 GMT >A little off topic but I too have discovered riding my pushie. (umm I >actually get paid kilometers at work so am definitely in front if I ride my [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Sorry just had to get slightly off topic! > Kathy. When Fred Flintstone was a boy I used to ride a bike. When I was about 15 I decided that there was just too much traffic to be safe. The idea of riding a bike on a public road now gives me nightmares. I often come across them riding on the road next to a bikeway put in at great expense to the taxpayer. All in branded Lycro racing gear and the attitude that seems to go with it. Coming across a great gaggle of them around a blind bend with the sun in my eyes does not make for safe motoring or biking. Sorry, although I appreciate the joys ? of riding a pushbike, I'm convinced that bikes and cars rarely mix.
Cheers Jim
Figjam (AKA Biggus Dickus) - 08 Aug 2006 16:24 GMT yeah it gives me the sh.ts when you come across several riders riding 2 abreast
>>A little off topic but I too have discovered riding my pushie. (umm I >>actually get paid kilometers at work so am definitely in front if I ride [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Cheers > Jim Kev - 09 Aug 2006 02:33 GMT > yeah it gives me the sh.ts when you come across several riders > riding 2 abreast 2 Abreast
try driving out from the city to Lytton along Wynnum-Lytton rds on any weekend morning they ride as many as can fit in the lane you have trucks of all sizes lined up behind morons on bikes all doing 15kph
and don't try and pass them, they'll hurl abuse and water bottles at you for even thinking about it
I hope a Sea Cargo comes along and cleans them all up
Kev
atec77 - 09 Aug 2006 02:59 GMT >> yeah it gives me the sh.ts when you come across several riders >> riding 2 abreast [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Kev Years ago I once ran a cyclist down round about there . no injury and the coppers booked him as they said 5 abreast is pushing it . Bull bars on utes have a purpose.
Figjam (AKA Biggus Dickus) - 09 Aug 2006 05:44 GMT fuk that i wouldn be lined up id be on the hoota and make em get the fuk out
> 2 Abreast > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Kev Biggus - 09 Aug 2006 11:52 GMT few boxes of thumbtax fixes them real fast! fuckin funny comin back the other way seeing them all crying
LMAO
>and don't try and pass them, they'll hurl abuse and water bottles at you >for even thinking about it > >I hope a Sea Cargo comes along and cleans them all up > >Kev
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