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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / 4x4 Cars (Australian group) / August 2006

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K00k Wrangler - 07 Aug 2006 23:19 GMT
My personal response to the increase in fuel costs has been to ride my
push-bike to work a couple of times a week, as this is a 60km round
trip it took some "work up" before I could get there at all, never mind
get home again 8 or 9 hours later. The good thing is that I can now do
it relatively easily and aside from lower weekly fuel bills my middle
age spread that was so handsomely helped by my 4 years return to
University has also started to shrink and I now fit back into clothes I
haven't been able to wear for nearly 20 years - a further cost saving,
but not the point of this post.

When you ride a push bike you notice a lot more about the roads you
travel on than you do when ensconced in an air-conditioned cocoon. For
instance I've always regarded the Cook Highway from the beach where I
live, the the city of Cairns as well, pretty much flat. I now know that
this is not the case and I find myself looking forward to the next
level bit, or even joy of joys, the next slightly downhill bit that
means that I can either back off a bit and maintain current speed or
alternatively maintain effort and speed up.

Aside from a greater awareness of terrain, you also quickly gain an
understanding of the cretinous behavior of the average motorist, but
that is another story.

The thing I wanted to say is that you become much more aware of the
smell of vehicles as they pass you, and it is this that leads me to my
"interesting observation".

In the past weeks I've become aware of an increasing number of diesel
trucks, cars and 4WDs that when they pass me they leave behind a
pleasant odor not at all unlike that found in a nice clean fish and
chip shop. The different smell is quite noticeable when compared to the
stench from petrol driven vehicles and even other diesel vehicles - the
smell from some telling me that the annual dump of excess heating oil
has begun already....

But going back to the "fish and chip" smell which used to be a rarity
but is now becoming and every day experience I suspect that quite a lot
of people, and even small firms are batching up their own bio-diesel.

The other day when I was at Coles and saw Coles brand "blended
vegetable oil" on special for 90c for a 1 litre bottle I was tempted to
contact a wholesaler and find out what the damm stuff costs per litre
in bulk.

If you are lucky enough to have a diesel with an "in-line" pump, you
can with a bit of fiddling around run them on direct unprocessed
vegetable oil without mucking about with trans-estering it with
Methanol to make biodiesel.

I'm tempted, notwithstanding that my previous experience with
bio-diesel led me to believe that it was non-viable, but then diesel
wasn't $1.40 a litre then either....Might start looking around for an
old Peugeot or Merc diesel, or even an early cruiser or patrol I think
to test this out.

anyone else thinking on similar lines?


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Garry Beattie - 07 Aug 2006 23:52 GMT
> I'm tempted, notwithstanding that my previous experience with
> bio-diesel led me to believe that it was non-viable, but then diesel
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>
> anyone else thinking on similar lines?

A mate of mine has been making his own Bio Diesel for quite some time now.
It was real hit and miss at first but now he has it down to a fine art and I
don't think he has actually purchased any diesel for quite a few months. It
cost's him about 60 cents per litre.

Once he got it all sorted out he offered his equipment to me for use to make
my own bio diesel but I thought with all the mucking around involved, I
thought I would rather pay the extra 25 cents and just fill up at the gas
station. Well that 25 cents has now grown to almost 80 cents difference and
so now I think it is a very worth while proposition.

Mind you, while we still have, and use, the Nissan Patrol Turbo Diesel, our
main vehicle at present is the Petrol Toyota Prado.
The Nissan is used as the spare car for towing the boat etc.

Garry
Biggus - 08 Aug 2006 00:09 GMT
<snip>
f.ck off.
The Kook Wrangler - 08 Aug 2006 01:05 GMT
> <snip>
> f.ck off.

Aw snookums, still haven't got over being called for telling yet more
lies about your imaginary friends then?

Actually, that's a mistake, as your friends are imaginary I guess
"they" can say anything you want them too......

You know like your mechanic mate who can't fix Toyotas so blames it on
them being "imports". Or your "policeman" mate who told you that you
can't be done for DUI on a pushbike, or some such other nonsense.

Had any interesting, if of course imaginary, chats with cars lately?

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Rainbow Warrior - 08 Aug 2006 08:44 GMT
>> <snip>
>> f.ck off.
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> Actually, that's a mistake, as your friends are imaginary I guess
> "they" can say anything you want them too......

You don't have to forgive Biggus, it's just the best quality reply he can
give on any subject.

> You know like your mechanic mate who can't fix Toyotas so blames it on
> them being "imports". Or your "policeman" mate who told you that you
> can't be done for DUI on a pushbike, or some such other nonsense.
>
> Had any interesting, if of course imaginary, chats with cars lately?
Jim - 08 Aug 2006 01:40 GMT
> My personal response to the increase in fuel costs has been to ride my
> push-bike to work a couple of times a week, as this is a 60km round
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>
> anyone else thinking on similar lines?

http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm
The Kook Wrangler - 08 Aug 2006 02:16 GMT
> http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm

Jim.

Thanks for that, interesting.

I'm looking at something similar to http://www.plantdrive.com It seems
to me that the trick is to set up a second fuel tank for the vegetable
oil, and then arrange a means of heating the fuel (canola oil) in it.
Running the exhanust through it would probably do the trick based on my
experience many years ago with a "Rumley Oil Pull Tractor" that you
started on kero, warmed up on diesel and once the exhaust running
through the fuel tank had made the bunker fuel in it liquid, you ran
all day on that.

Plant drive have some very neat, but expensive ways of doing this, I
reckon as an experiment I take the "bucks down" approach. My maths is
like this:-

The direct cost of making biodiesel is (I reckon) between 65c and 80c
per litre, to which you add the cost of electricity, filters and waste
disposal. This of course assumes that you get 2nd hand chip oil for
nicks.

Whereas, it would seem that I can buy brand new "blended vegetable oil"
(the blend being whatever vegetable oil is cheap that week/month when
the blender makes it up) in 20lt drums for about 85c/lt, slightly less
if I buy in 400lt lots and supply my own tankage.

Now it seems to me that in the long term, setting up a second fuel
system in a vehicle, and some additional filtration of the fuel is a
whole lot less hassle than running around scrounging used chip fryer
oil, it also doesn't involve playing with lethal chemicals (methoxide)
and has no waste disposal problem.

First step, find a second hand vehicle with an inline pump.

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Jim - 08 Aug 2006 04:20 GMT
>> http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm
>
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>
> First step, find a second hand vehicle with an inline pump.

I'd be interested in your observations. As one who can't really afford to
have his diesel engine go bang, or fuel system drop out onto the road,
making my own is a fantasy.
I did have a peek at bio but it was hardly hassle free. Consistant quality
appears to be the problem for the home grown. Plus getting the bits together
at an affordable price. In my case I just don't think that it would fly.
However I have used Gull 20% bio in WA and was most impressed (it seemed to
be a bit cheaper also...and that's impressive by itself :)

Cheers
Jim
The Kook Wrangler - 08 Aug 2006 05:07 GMT
The site you referred me to was interesting. I'd never considered the
possibility of simply mixing SVO with fossil diesel, in up to 50/50
ratio according to that site.

What I've decided to do is I'm going to run my tank to near empty and
then I'm goping to put in 20lt of diesel and (initially) 5lt of SVO. If
nothing horrid happens I'll trial 20/10 for a while and if still
nothing dire happens, I'll give 50/50 a go.

This is worth doing as my pump in the surf is due for a rebuild in
about 50k, so I'm not overly shortening its life if something bad does
happen to it and I can currently buy "blended vegetable oil" for a lot
less than I can buy diesel.

I'll check back from time to time to see how its going, but I am
genuinely looking for a 80's~90's Pug or Merc to try the full-on start
on diesel-run on vege oil -purge to diesel on shutdown routine.

Pity of it is that there was a 300TD wagon for sale in Brissie a couple
of weeks ago that would have been perfect as it already had a second
(normal) fuel tank fitted which would have save costs.

Still, if eBay is anything to go by the price of 4WDs is in freefall so
I might end up with a similar aged Patrol or Cruiser.

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just us - 08 Aug 2006 08:19 GMT
A little off topic but I too have discovered riding my pushie. (umm I
actually get paid kilometers at work so am definitely in front if I ride my
bike!)Unlike you Kook I live on the Atherton Tablelands and you either have
wind or hills! I rode down the Quaid Road the other day (and back up!
woohooo). What a shame that is not an open road. the scenery is just
terrific. Drive up sometime, park away from the main road and do a ride down
the hill to Wangetti Beach then turn around and ride back up! Totally
exhilarating. Next week I am riding to Mt Carbine (lol totallly different to
taking the Hilux) and in a couple of weeks we are going to conquer the
Cooktown road. Although this will take us 2 1/2 days think of the fuel we
save.
Sorry just had to get slightly off topic!
Kathy.
Jim - 08 Aug 2006 11:21 GMT
>A little off topic but I too have discovered riding my pushie. (umm I
>actually get paid kilometers at work so am definitely in front if I ride my
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> Sorry just had to get slightly off topic!
> Kathy.

When Fred Flintstone was a boy I used to ride a bike. When I was about 15 I
decided that there was just too much traffic to be safe.
The idea of riding a bike on a public road now gives me nightmares. I often
come across them riding on the road next to a bikeway put in at great
expense to the taxpayer. All in branded Lycro racing gear and the attitude
that seems to go with it.
Coming across a great gaggle of them around a blind bend with the sun in my
eyes does not make for safe motoring or biking.
Sorry, although I appreciate the joys ? of riding a pushbike, I'm convinced
that bikes and cars rarely mix.

Cheers
Jim
Figjam (AKA Biggus Dickus) - 08 Aug 2006 16:24 GMT
yeah  it gives me the sh.ts when you come across several riders
riding 2 abreast

>>A little off topic but I too have discovered riding my pushie. (umm I
>>actually get paid kilometers at work so am definitely in front if I ride
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> Cheers
> Jim
Kev - 09 Aug 2006 02:33 GMT
> yeah  it gives me the sh.ts when you come across several riders
> riding 2 abreast

2 Abreast

try driving out from the city to Lytton along Wynnum-Lytton rds on any
weekend morning
they ride as many as can fit in the lane
you have trucks of all sizes lined up behind morons on bikes all doing 15kph

and don't try and pass them, they'll hurl abuse and water bottles at you
for even thinking about it

I hope a Sea Cargo comes along and cleans them all up

Kev
atec77 - 09 Aug 2006 02:59 GMT
>> yeah  it gives me the sh.ts when you come across several riders
>> riding 2 abreast
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>
> Kev

Years ago I once ran a cyclist down round about there . no injury and
the coppers booked him as they said 5 abreast is pushing it .
 Bull bars on utes have a purpose.
Figjam (AKA Biggus Dickus) - 09 Aug 2006 05:44 GMT
fuk that i wouldn be lined up id be on the hoota and make em get the fuk
out

> 2 Abreast
>
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>
> Kev
Biggus - 09 Aug 2006 11:52 GMT
few boxes of thumbtax fixes them real fast! fuckin funny comin back
the other way seeing them all crying

LMAO

>and don't try and pass them, they'll hurl abuse and water bottles at you
>for even thinking about it
>
>I hope a Sea Cargo comes along and cleans them all up
>
>Kev
 
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