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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / 4x4 Cars (Australian group) / August 2006Surf (2.4TD) yes or no?
I suppose there is no clear answer to he whole surf dialema? cheers Wazza > I suppose there is no clear answer to he whole surf dialema? yes there is don't listen to the dickheads who make stupid claims about how bad Surfs are buy one and enjoy Kev Go for the 3.0ltr if you can afford it though. You would be surprised the difference that it makes in hilux's. Muddy untill the head sh.ts itself or burns to the ground > yes there is > don't listen to the dickheads who make stupid claims about how bad Surfs [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Kev > untill the head sh.ts itself or burns to the ground > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > Kev Plenty of 2L and 3L non turbo engines have broke their heads, that's why there is a firm in Melbourne that makes an aftermarket head for the blasted things.... Doesn't happen if you maintain the cooling system, the Surf starts with a cooling system that is adequate only when it is in perfect condition and has the viscous fan clutch adjusted appropriately. Haven't heard the "burn to the ground" nonsense before, let's all draw up a log round the campfire while you tell that fairytale. -- > untill the head sh.ts itself or burns to the ground See what I mean Wazza Kev >> untill the head sh.ts itself or burns to the ground > > See what I mean Wazza > > Kev Lots of owners I know well have had no problems with smurf heads.. sorta like the ford head bolt furfy . hav never had a problem with ford head bolts in all my years in the trade CYS > Lots of owners I know well have had no problems with smurf heads.. sorta > like the ford head bolt furfy . I reckon we need a bit of light entertainment in this ng, especially since Barnsey seems to have taken the pledge or something. Anyway, I thought it might be a bit of fun to set out all the fairytales that have been told about "grey import" vehicles. My own experience is with the Toyota Surf 2L-TE version, so i'll lead off with the lies I was told before, during and after my purchase. They use short life engines that only last 4 years The panels are made of thinner metal than the export models You can't get parts for them Local mechanics can't/won't fix them (must have been a mate of Biggus) The paint isn't as thick and won't last as long They get full of salt on the trip over here and rust out really quickly The seats and pedals are made for Japanese and are uncomfortable for Western people. Insurance companies won't insure them. [Some truth?] Japanese owners don't maintain their vehicles so they are stuffed already [Ok there is a thread of truth in this one] They all have their speedo wound back [also thread of truth] They all have overheating problems They stuff their heads [That would be why there was a good indistry importing/manufacturing heads long before the first "grey import" graced these shores then?] They catch fire [This is a new one heard for the first time in this group only a day or so ago]. Any others that people can add? Not only for Surfs but also Terranos, MUs and all the other host of imports? > I reckon we need a bit of light entertainment in this ng, especially > since Barnsey seems to have taken the pledge or something. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > They use short life engines that only last 4 years They are some of the best available > The panels are made of thinner metal than the export models Myth, the are moulded in the same jigs > You can't get parts for them Any Australian 4runner has parts that fit Surfs and vice Versa (Except the million and one smog parts that some of the imports have, but then you can just piss them off anyway) > Local mechanics can't/won't fix them (must have been a mate of Biggus) Pure ignorance on the Mechanics part, if they are to damn lazy to fix em f.ck em off for a better mechanic. > The paint isn't as thick and won't last as long Painted in the same factory as every other Toyota of that erra > They get full of salt on the trip over here and rust out really quickly Need no explaination here > The seats and pedals are made for Japanese and are uncomfortable for > Western people. Only if your buying a Ferrari, my size 13s fit fine > Insurance companies won't insure them. [Some truth?] Thats cause insurance companies are ignorant, matbe from same area as above mechanics eh? > Japanese owners don't maintain their vehicles so they are stuffed > already [Ok there is a thread of truth in this one] Hmm, Ive also heard that they use the heat from the idleing motors to warm thier houses!! (WTF!!) > They all have their speedo wound back [also thread of truth] Almost goes without saying > They all have overheating problems Ive never had any issues with over heating at all, Im on my 4th one now. > They stuff their heads [That would be why there was a good indistry > importing/manufacturing heads long before the first "grey import" > graced these shores then?] You said it > They catch fire [This is a new one heard for the first time in this > group only a day or so ago]. Only if you start it! > Any others that people can add? Not only for Surfs but also Terranos, > MUs and all the other host of imports? > > Japanese owners don't maintain their vehicles so they are stuffed > > already [Ok there is a thread of truth in this one] > > > Hmm, Ive also heard that they use the heat from the idleing motors to warm > thier houses!! (WTF!!) Well my experience over there was that they don't rely on the car so much and the klms you drive are minimal, so if they are going by klms between servicing, it can be a long time between oil changes. My friend had a Subaru over there which he only drove to the supermarket and gym, so travelled 5,000klms in 3 years. You really cannot take them anywhere because parking is astronomical unless you go to a mall where it is free, or a restaurant or something. You sit in traffic for ages and go no where... that might not be great for the car either. Perusal Having lived in NZ r most of my life before I saw the light and moved to QLD, We became very used to "Jap Import" second hand vehciles, in fact, I still own one in NZ. In gneral, they are very good vehciles now that the NZ market is used to them. Originally no-one would touch them but now eveyone has one. See my comments to questions raised on a previous post. We are also suffereing hee in OZ with a Landrover we cannot sell due to it being imported from NZ and the only reason is pure ignorance via the insurance and finance industries in OZ. > I reckon we need a bit of light entertainment in this ng, especially > since Barnsey seems to have taken the pledge or something. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > They use short life engines that only last 4 years Generally you can get 300,000km+ out of a Jap import engine in NZ. > The panels are made of thinner metal than the export models Hope > You can't get parts for them Maybe correct in OZ with its highly protected motor industry but in NZ, no problems - now but 15 years ago it was a differrent story > Local mechanics can't/won't fix them (must have been a mate of Biggus) Ignorant and lazy mechanics but also see the previous comment > The paint isn't as thick and won't last as long Bullshit, lasts just as long as any other vehcile, after all, where are most of the Jap vehciles made that are sold in OZ. > They get full of salt on the trip over here and rust out really quickly Older ones rusted but the ones made in the last 15 years are very rust resistant. The car carrier ships do not have theri vehciles on the open deck. Also new assembled in Japan take the same trip on the same ships. > The seats and pedals are made for Japanese and are uncomfortable for > Western people. Nope, 6ft tall and size 13 feet, no problem, try driving a Mecedes Sprinter van if you ,want un-comfortable. > Insurance companies won't insure them. [Some truth?] Yep, ignorant insurance companies, we have this problem but fortunately if you look hard enough, there are a couple that will insure you. > Japanese owners don't maintain their vehicles so they are stuffed > already [Ok there is a thread of truth in this one] Correct. but generally they are still OK but the occassional head gasket needs changing - not only on the 2.4 Toy motors but others as well. > They all have their speedo wound back [also thread of truth] If they can get away with it but use your head and if the pedal rubbers are worn out on a 10,000km vehicle, don't buy it. > They all have overheating problems Nope > They stuff their heads [That would be why there was a good indistry > importing/manufacturing heads long before the first "grey import" > graced these shores then?] > > They catch fire [This is a new one heard for the first time in this > group only a day or so ago]. Never heard of this one. In NZ, there are around 100.000 second hand Jap vehciles registered every year for the fuirst time, a big industry that has given NZ good quality, low priced cars - and we are being ripped off big time in OZ for second hand cars. > Any others that people can add? Not only for Surfs but also Terranos, > MUs and all the other host of imports? Our NZ Jap import is a Terrano II, great truck and no problems over 50,000km of running, not a problem, just add fuel, sevicing and that is it (new battey as well). Stevesub Curious Steve, which part of NZ u from? I know that in Wgton the rust gets em pretty damn quick, mine was gotten at a few times with different vehicles due to high salt content in the air, a bit like Surfers Paradise. Scotty > Having lived in NZ r most of my life before I saw the light and moved > to QLD, We became very used to "Jap Import" second hand vehciles, in [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > > Stevesub I used to live in Jaffa Land (Auckland). As for rust, the older ones rusted as you watched them but the newer Jap imports last a lot longer and in fact seem to last as long as new NZ cars of the same age. That is my experience with my own cars as well as those belonging to friends and family. Rust is not an issue now like it used to be a few years ago. Stevesub > Curious Steve, which part of NZ u from? > I know that in Wgton the rust gets em pretty damn quick, mine was gotten at [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > > > > Stevesub > I used to live in Jaffa Land (Auckland). > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Stevesub this is true with many vehicles rust prevention from the factory is much much better these days even as far back as the early eighties the Japs started to better prepare the bodies before paining I had an 81 Subaru and the rust just couldn't be stopped I swapped the body for an 83 model and it never rusted at all but you could see the difference if you chipped paint off either one the later model had a gal type coating where the earlier model was just bare metal Kev >I suppose there is no clear answer to he whole surf dialema? > > cheers > > Wazza Im on my 4th Surf/4Runner, with the exception of a Chevy powered one (that gave me endless greif due to poor install) Ive not had any issues with them. If ya have to go Deisel, try get a 3litre or at least a 2.8. The 2.4s are a little underpowered, even the turbo ones. Even better go for a V6 petrol one, way better, Im over the low powered deisels. Mind you my last 3.0 Turbo deisel went pretty dam well. Go for the larger engines. In NZ, the 2.4Turbo has a very bad reputation for stuffing heads - expensive. Nothing else wrong with the rest of the truck. Steve > >I suppose there is no clear answer to he whole surf dialema? > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Even better go for a V6 petrol one, way better, Im over the low powered > deisels. Mind you my last 3.0 Turbo deisel went pretty dam well. > Go for the larger engines. In NZ, the 2.4Turbo has a very bad > reputation for stuffing heads - expensive. Nothing else wrong with the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> Even better go for a V6 petrol one, way better, Im over the low powered >> deisels. Mind you my last 3.0 Turbo deisel went pretty dam well. Cant see why youd stuff a head with a properly maintained vehicle? Rad in good order, fan in good order and dotn tow a 10 ton load unless everythings upgraded. |
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