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Garry Beattie - 11 Nov 2006 21:38 GMT
Hi Guys.

I am now looking for a good camper trailer.

I want one that takes next to no time to set up, so I am thinking one of
those Jayco Outback series models or a hard floor camper trailer like the
Cub or similar.

I would prefer one that had an outside kitchen and one that can sleep 2
adults and 1 child in reasonable comfort.

I don't want to have to take out a loan to buy one either, so the $30,000+
Cape Yorks and similar are out of the question.

Anyone have any experience with these things, or can suggest some good
models?

Garry
just us - 12 Nov 2006 06:29 GMT
Hello Garry
We bought a Cub offroad camper in 2004. New it cost us $17000 and so far we
have taken it through the Territory across the Roper Bar road, up into the
Gulf, Kowanyama, Coen, through Lakefield, back of Laura, Mitchell River
area,etc etc etc and LOVE it. It tows well, sets up in under 10minutes if
you want the annexe on it, otherwise it is about 2mins.  It is the
Supermatic Escape model and there are just a couple of things you need to be
aware of with them. Hubby is 5ft 10 and I am 5ft 8 and the bed is great for
us but if he was over 6foot the bed would be too short as it is across the
trailer not length ways. The foam mattress was a bit on the hard side so we
put a padded "thing" on the top and now this bed is made in heavan.  When we
go to Cairns for a night out we actually take it and set it up in the van
park as it has electricity sockets for the hot weather etc. It is  very very
spacey inside - storage under the bed is as big as the bed. On the top floor
there are 2 fitted boxes which allows you to load extra gear in. There is
room on the bottom floor when opened to have table and chairs in the
wet/cold weather. We loook at folks in their $40000+ campers and most of
them are just a bed on wheels with not a great deal of storage space.
The other reason we settled on a Cub was the weight factor. Most campers are
a tonne empty, ours is 650kgs. We have altered the kitchen as I just wanted
a better kitchen. We also got the annexe but not a front wall as with only 2
of us it is way big enough. I have taken this bush by myself and have no
problems winding it up and down, attaching the towhitch, towing or backing.
We did a weekend trip with 2 other adults, they slept "downstairs" and us
upstairs and it was not a problem. The nightcap may have helped in that
department because there was some snoring going on.
I would be a little careful if you buy it from the Brisbane dealer. He did a
couple of things which really peed us off. One of them was when we arrived
to pick up the camper he said "oh great you have your own hitch". Stupid us
didnt think to take off our Treg Hitch before going there so in actual fact
we didnt get the hitch with the Treg. We carried on about it, got home and
rang him and he just didnt want to know about it so I threatened him with
Cub Sydney and straight away he got our hitch and sent it to us! Other
slightly sleazy thing he did was he added a toolbox to the front and then
wanted payment for it, it ended up an extra $100 which we gave him cash
for - stupud us again! The same box was in overflow for about $30! #@%#@%$
Then to top it all off we had decided not to get the outside plug for the
electricity as Hubby is an electrician and could do it cheaper but it came
with the power ready to plug in.. When he tried to hit us for that we told
him "nope, take it out and give us one without the hole in the side of it
from where the plug was mounted. "LOL we got that for nothing. But we did
think he was a bit on the sleaze side with that sort of thing.
Only other thing which really pees us off is the tap - it seems that it is a
common problem with that sort of pump tap. We have had to replace it twice
and both times the shops have told us that they are not a good design and
even if you pay for a dear one they stuff up. At present we are sourcing a
better tap set up. The other thing we did do was put 2 lengths of steel down
into the front stone guard so that we can just hang the front window from it
so that you have shade and protection in the rain.
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2178829990063293615IKrRPQ  are some
pics of our camper.
Kathy
just us - 12 Nov 2006 06:30 GMT
OOOOPs i think I gave you the wrong link! Try this one
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/555497757Bwhozq
Kathy
Scotty - 12 Nov 2006 09:15 GMT
> OOOOPs i think I gave you the wrong link! Try this one
> http://good-times.webshots.com/album/555497757Bwhozq
> Kathy

No, they both worked okay.

Thats a great little camper. $17000 you say? What do they go for 2nd hand?
(approximate price for say a 5 year old unit)
I like how yours has stages of construction with or without the annex. Only
issue is that Im 6`3 and I like my bed to fit me. Is there ways of extending
the bed at all, even if its a fold out extender style?
Garry Beattie - 12 Nov 2006 20:18 GMT
> OOOOPs i think I gave you the wrong link! Try this one
> http://good-times.webshots.com/album/555497757Bwhozq
> Kathy

Both links worked for me.

Garry
Garry Beattie - 12 Nov 2006 20:17 GMT
> Hello Garry
> We bought a Cub offroad camper in 2004. New it cost us $17000 and so far
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> pics of our camper.
> Kathy

Thanks for the run down Kathy.

Cub was one of the brands I am looking at and I have asked them to send out
a brochure and price list.

One thing though. On the model you have their web site says the front bed is
a "lift up" bed. What do they mean by that??

Best regards

Garry
Kev - 13 Nov 2006 02:02 GMT
> Thanks for the run down Kathy.
>
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>
> Garry

it is hinged at the front so you can access the storage area under the
bed, usually with gas struts to hold it and ease of lifting

Kev
Jim - 13 Nov 2006 08:49 GMT
> Hello Garry
> We bought a Cub offroad camper in 2004. New it cost us $17000 and so far
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> pics of our camper.
> Kathy

Hi Kathy. Couple of questions if I may. How does it handle the corregations
and rough stuff ?
I can't seem to find a web page for cub ?

Cheers
Jim
Gerrit 't Hart - 13 Nov 2006 09:45 GMT
> Hi Kathy. Couple of questions if I may. How does it handle the corregations
> and rough stuff ?
> I can't seem to find a web page for cub ?
>
> Cheers
> Jim

Try this:  http://www.cubcampers.com.au/
Phred - 13 Nov 2006 10:25 GMT
>> Hi Kathy. Couple of questions if I may. How does it handle the
>> corregations and rough stuff ?
>> I can't seem to find a web page for cub ?
>
>Try this:  http://www.cubcampers.com.au/

The Specs page gives the "ball weight" for the various models and the
"Touring" models all range 25 to nearly 40 kg for this spec.  On the
other hand, the "Off Road" models range from 50 to 145 kg.

ISTR Kathy saying she was able to handle their model by herself, so
I'm just wonder which of the present models would be closest to the
one her mob uses.  Kathy...?

Cheers, Phred.

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Jim - 13 Nov 2006 11:34 GMT
>> Hi Kathy. Couple of questions if I may. How does it handle the
> corregations
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>
> Try this:  http://www.cubcampers.com.au/

Thanks Gerrit, appreciate it.
Cheers
Jim
Rocatanski - 13 Nov 2006 08:16 GMT
Take a look at these,

http://www.exploroz.com/Trader/Campers_Trailers.asp?Type=For%20Sale&id=4160

http://www.challengecampers.com.au/

http://www.kangacampertrailers.com.au/
Garry Beattie - 13 Nov 2006 21:08 GMT
> Take a look at these,
>
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>
> http://www.kangacampertrailers.com.au/

Thanks for the links.

I am really swinging towards the Jayco Swan Off-road camper.

We checked out quite a few yesterday, including a Cub, but the Jayco's just
seem to have the whole thing down to a fine art.

From completely closed, it took all of 3 minutes to set up. No tent poles or
pegs, no moving anything around.
Just wind it up, pull out the ends and put the braces in. A complete setup
that could sleep up to 7 people, or in our case 3 with a nice dinette,
lounge, microwave, fridge (3 way), stove (both 240v & Gas), 90L water tank,
sink (with both tank and mains taps) and heaps of storage space for clothes
etc. All for $23,000 brand new on the road.

The Cub we looked at was a Spacematic and, once set up, looked very good but
it took a while to set it up and then you had to move poles around and lift
things up in the trailer. That wasn't such a big deal, but our plan is to
get something that is as easy and quick as possible to set up, and the Jayco
seems to have it all down to a fine art. Mind you, in all fairness to the
Cub, the person at that caravan place did not really seem interested in
opening it up for us and did not do a very good job showing us, so we need
to take that into consideration.

My only hassle now is, as I am prone to do, while we were at the Jayco
dealer I had a look at their Jayco Destiny off road pop tops and thought it
was very nice indeed. AND only $7,000 more than the Jayco Swan camper.

I hate it when I think like that!!

Does anyone have any experience with one of them??

Garry
Barnsey - 14 Nov 2006 01:56 GMT
> I am really swinging towards the Jayco Swan Off-road camper.
>
>snip<
> Does anyone have any experience with one of them??
>
> Garry
I had an old Jayco circa 1984 that I beefed up for off road. Patrol wheels,
treg hitch etc. It was blown away in Cyclone Jacky (my first marriage) in
2000.

It was a great rig. A mate (not to be out done by Barnsey) went and bought a
2nd hand Jayco Swan. We both had young kids, pregnant wives, etc at that
time (1999) We towed them in our MQ SWBs to some pretty remote places in NQ.
Beaches, river banks, etc. Very comfortable and hassle free camping.

I'd go for a pop top over a camper any day. My van cost about $800 to
convert to off road specs, but the Swans are purpose built.
Rocatanski - 14 Nov 2006 04:31 GMT
I hired a Jayco for four weeks, it towed well but after 4000k's, 500k's on
dirt things started to fall apart, hinges on the door fell off dust got into
everything I was not real happy with it, this is why I went for the Care
York Camper. I have towed it all over the place no dust and very happy.

>> Take a look at these,
>>
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>
> Garry
Garry Beattie - 14 Nov 2006 06:29 GMT
Hmmmm. Thanks. That is just the kind of input I am looking for.

Best regards

Garry

>I hired a Jayco for four weeks, it towed well but after 4000k's, 500k's on
>dirt things started to fall apart, hinges on the door fell off dust got
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>>
>> Garry
just us - 14 Nov 2006 22:08 GMT
Ours seems to handle the corrugations well, no dust. garry if youa re 6foot
then you would have to go for the bed lengthways which takes some of the
space away. Buying a camper is a very individual thing - we all think we
have the best. We love ours, so far no worries.
First time we put it up and down was on the Bunya Mts and the whole camping
ground had happy hour entertainment as it took us forever to work out what
was going on. But by the time we were on our 5th day we were experts. Good
luck hunting Garry, that is half the fun
Kathy
Garry Beattie - 14 Nov 2006 22:21 GMT
Thanks Kathy.

I do agree with you. No matter what it is just about everyone will always
believe that what they have is the best, that is why I like to ask.... and
ask.... and ask!!

That way you get many varied replies and after a while you tend to see a
pattern form within the comments, good or bad.

The Cub looked great, don't get me wrong, and if it was priced better
($12,000 2nd hand) I would have happily purchased it. But you comments on
the bed made me check it out and, at just on 6 feet, I could see a possible
problem there.

Plus the extra hassles of all the extra setting up.

I don't know if my train of thought is right or not, but I figure if I need
to set up something complex, rather than paying $12,000 I would be better of
paying $300 for a good tent, or alternatively pay more money to get a much
cosier and easier set up.

Garry

> Ours seems to handle the corrugations well, no dust. garry if youa re
> 6foot then you would have to go for the bed lengthways which takes some of
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> experts. Good luck hunting Garry, that is half the fun
> Kathy
just us - 15 Nov 2006 00:46 GMT
Set up is not a  problem for us. I am wondering what set up you mean? We
fold ours down with the Annexe attached if we think we are going to stop a
few days. On stopping, we level off, and let her go! 20 seconds later it is
open, tighten up 4 legs, go inside and slide out one pole and it is done.
For the annexe yep we do put 3 poles up unless we chuck it over the top if
we dont need it, the poles need all up 5 pegs. Mostly we choose to not fold
it down with the annexe attached as quite often if we camp in the shade etc
we dont use it unless there is rain coming.
thank goodness you checked your bed length LOL... imagine paying all that
money and you cant have a good sleep in it. We are always very quick to tell
tall people that it is probably not the one for you. The Regal offroad has
the bed the other way so that would be ok, but it is way too massive for us
:)
Good luck
Kathy
> Thanks Kathy.
>
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>> experts. Good luck hunting Garry, that is half the fun
>> Kathy
Garry Beattie - 15 Nov 2006 21:33 GMT
> Set up is not a  problem for us. I am wondering what set up you mean?

Hi Kathy.

The one they showed us (not real enthusiastically though) seemed to unfold
OK, but the floor did not want to sit flat on the ground and there were
poles and bars inside that needed adjustment. The kitchen had to be lifted
up and the table set out above the fridge.

It certainly is not what you would call a major construction job, but it was
time consuming.

Maybe they just didn't show me the correct way.

I would have also preferred the outside kitchen to the inside one.

Best regards

Garry
Rocatanski - 15 Nov 2006 04:48 GMT
You are spot on it took me four years of trying hiring to find one I liked
enough to buy, strange thing is it was one of the first ones we hired.

> Ours seems to handle the corrugations well, no dust. garry if youa re
> 6foot then you would have to go for the bed lengthways which takes some of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> experts. Good luck hunting Garry, that is half the fun
> Kathy
Gerrit 't Hart - 15 Nov 2006 03:28 GMT
> > Take a look at these,

http://www.exploroz.com/Trader/Campers_Trailers.asp?Type=For%20Sale&id=4160

> > http://www.challengecampers.com.au/
> >
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> sink (with both tank and mains taps) and heaps of storage space for clothes
> etc. All for $23,000 brand new on the road.

Garry

We had a Swan for quite a few years. Unfortunately (for you) ours was not an
off road model so I can't say anything about dust, corrugated roads etc.
However I can confirm that it is a good unit for comfort, ease of set up and
ease of towing.
We originally towed it with a 1.9 litre Toyota Tarago, then with a Nissan
Nomad (2.4l) and lastly with a Commodore station wagon. With the Tarago it
was a bit sluggish but doable (Perth - Adelaide). The Nissan was more
comfortable with towing and again we made the trip from Perth across the
Nullarbor to Canberra and Melbourne. We traded it in on our third trip
across, for a Jayco Hawk. Bit smaller but still comfortable for two people.
We have met lots of people on our travels who have off road Jaycos and they
haven't complained about dust. But maybe they are used to that.

Gerrit
Garry Beattie - 15 Nov 2006 21:35 GMT
> We had a Swan for quite a few years. Unfortunately (for you) ours was not
> an
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>
> Gerrit

Hi Gerrit.

We looked at the Hawk, Dove, Eagle and Swan and we felt the Swan was
probably the best for us. Very nice indeed.

Did you notice much difference to towing performance and fuel economy
between the Hawke and the Swan, and also without either?

I would be happy with the Hawk. It is very nice, but for the extra $2,000
the Swan seems to have a lot of extra's.

Best regards

Garry
Gerrit 't Hart - 16 Nov 2006 02:21 GMT
> Hi Gerrit.
>
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>
> Garry

Garry

Which model suits you best of course depends on you because you have your
own unique requirements.

When we bought the Swan we still had 5 kids to take along everywhere. The
two lounges was ideal for that. We could have two separate work areas for
the kids on wet days. We also bought a second table for the lounge area so
we could all eat in piece at the two locations on those days when we would
eat indoors. We also bought an annex for extra sleeping room. The annex of
course took some time to set up.

When we were due for an upgrade the children no longer came along so we
needed something that was a bit smaller and the Hawk with its single sitting
area is ideal when we have friends inside. We no longer have an annex but a
small awning that we install whenever we stay for more than a day in one
place. (Its just a piece of tarp which we can thread into the annex channel
(before we wind up the roof) and fix with three poles.

As far as fuel consumption is concerned I have never actually done the
figures. I consider that extra fuel is just one of the costs that come with
owning a trailer. Obviously the heavier the trailer the greater the fuel
consumption. With the smaller engined vehicles the fuel consumption
difference between with and without trailer is larger than with a larger
engined vehicle. Actually the Nissan Nomad was more expensive to drive with
trailer than the Commodore!
The speed at which you drive also makes a great difference. I have found
that driving at 95 with the Commodore is much better than 105.
As far as towing performance differences between the Swan and the Hawk are
concerned they are very similar. Both are very stable. Mind you I have
purchased some load sharing bars very soon after getting the Hawk and I
would recommend them. The whole combination now feels much more like one
unit than two separate units.
Towing performance is of course very much a product of the combination with
the towing unit having a great effect on the experience.

Gerrit
Trev - 20 Nov 2006 12:47 GMT
Hi Garry,
we spent a week in Adelaide looking at camper trailers this time last year.
We were looking for a hard floor unit and the cub spacematic seemed like the
best of the lot but priced at $21K it was a bit much considering it didn't
give us much more space and comfort than our 30 year old Holiday Equipment
Corvette camper trailer.  One other problem we had to consider was the
weight of the new units.  Our camper is 400kg fully loaded.  We would have
to replace the 4Runner 2.4D so we could tow the 900kg + units with tinny or
canoes on the roof.  Of the camper trailers we saw the best value and ease
of setting up we thought was the Heaslip see
http://www.heaslipcampers.com.au/page.asp?parentid=3&parent2id=12  Also
Coromal have some good stuff as well see
http://www.coromal.com.au/products.asp    Similar to the Jayco in some ways
I think.

We will follow this thread with interest as we are still looking and can't
make up our minds which way to go.

Cheers
Trev

> Hi Guys.
>
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>
> Garry
Garry Beattie - 20 Nov 2006 18:40 GMT
> Hi Garry,
> we spent a week in Adelaide looking at camper trailers this time last
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> Cheers
> Trev

Thanks Trev, and thanks for the links.

I am starting to get a little concerned with the Jayco's as I have had a few
people now tell me that they are great on-road (even the off road models)
but don't take them onto a dirt road as they fall apart inside. The
workmanship inside on the cabinets etc is not as good as it should be for an
Off Road camper. This seems to be the general message I am getting.

Mind you I had a look at a local guys product yesterday, Koala Campers, and
they seemed reasonable. Not as flash as some of the $20,000+ units, but at
$7,000 seemed like a good buy.

He also showed me some of their off road caravans and I thought one was very
nice indeed. 18 footer, single axle pop top. Almost the same as the Jayco
inside except that underneath the suspension was like something I have never
seen before. Very heavy duty and solid independent trailing arm suspension
rated at 2.5 tonne.
Honestly, I would not have any hesitation taking this thing down any track
or dirt road.
The van all up only weighed 1400kg, not much more than the Jayco Swan
camper, and was priced at just $38,500 new.

It is still probably more than I wanted to pay, but I did like the idea of
ease of set up, which was virtually nothing!!

I guess the fuel factor is playing a big part in my decision too.

We have been spoiled with our sailing boat. It is 28 feet and is very
comfortable to live aboard. We can go away on that for a month and spend
about $100 all up (plus food). If we decide to go touring with a camper
trailer we are probably looking at about $100 per day just in fuel alone.
That part is weighing on my mind a bit!!

Garry
 
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