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Garry Beattie - 11 Nov 2006 21:38 GMT Hi Guys.
I am now looking for a good camper trailer.
I want one that takes next to no time to set up, so I am thinking one of those Jayco Outback series models or a hard floor camper trailer like the Cub or similar.
I would prefer one that had an outside kitchen and one that can sleep 2 adults and 1 child in reasonable comfort.
I don't want to have to take out a loan to buy one either, so the $30,000+ Cape Yorks and similar are out of the question.
Anyone have any experience with these things, or can suggest some good models?
Garry
just us - 12 Nov 2006 06:29 GMT Hello Garry We bought a Cub offroad camper in 2004. New it cost us $17000 and so far we have taken it through the Territory across the Roper Bar road, up into the Gulf, Kowanyama, Coen, through Lakefield, back of Laura, Mitchell River area,etc etc etc and LOVE it. It tows well, sets up in under 10minutes if you want the annexe on it, otherwise it is about 2mins. It is the Supermatic Escape model and there are just a couple of things you need to be aware of with them. Hubby is 5ft 10 and I am 5ft 8 and the bed is great for us but if he was over 6foot the bed would be too short as it is across the trailer not length ways. The foam mattress was a bit on the hard side so we put a padded "thing" on the top and now this bed is made in heavan. When we go to Cairns for a night out we actually take it and set it up in the van park as it has electricity sockets for the hot weather etc. It is very very spacey inside - storage under the bed is as big as the bed. On the top floor there are 2 fitted boxes which allows you to load extra gear in. There is room on the bottom floor when opened to have table and chairs in the wet/cold weather. We loook at folks in their $40000+ campers and most of them are just a bed on wheels with not a great deal of storage space. The other reason we settled on a Cub was the weight factor. Most campers are a tonne empty, ours is 650kgs. We have altered the kitchen as I just wanted a better kitchen. We also got the annexe but not a front wall as with only 2 of us it is way big enough. I have taken this bush by myself and have no problems winding it up and down, attaching the towhitch, towing or backing. We did a weekend trip with 2 other adults, they slept "downstairs" and us upstairs and it was not a problem. The nightcap may have helped in that department because there was some snoring going on. I would be a little careful if you buy it from the Brisbane dealer. He did a couple of things which really peed us off. One of them was when we arrived to pick up the camper he said "oh great you have your own hitch". Stupid us didnt think to take off our Treg Hitch before going there so in actual fact we didnt get the hitch with the Treg. We carried on about it, got home and rang him and he just didnt want to know about it so I threatened him with Cub Sydney and straight away he got our hitch and sent it to us! Other slightly sleazy thing he did was he added a toolbox to the front and then wanted payment for it, it ended up an extra $100 which we gave him cash for - stupud us again! The same box was in overflow for about $30! #@%#@%$ Then to top it all off we had decided not to get the outside plug for the electricity as Hubby is an electrician and could do it cheaper but it came with the power ready to plug in.. When he tried to hit us for that we told him "nope, take it out and give us one without the hole in the side of it from where the plug was mounted. "LOL we got that for nothing. But we did think he was a bit on the sleaze side with that sort of thing. Only other thing which really pees us off is the tap - it seems that it is a common problem with that sort of pump tap. We have had to replace it twice and both times the shops have told us that they are not a good design and even if you pay for a dear one they stuff up. At present we are sourcing a better tap set up. The other thing we did do was put 2 lengths of steel down into the front stone guard so that we can just hang the front window from it so that you have shade and protection in the rain. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2178829990063293615IKrRPQ are some pics of our camper. Kathy
just us - 12 Nov 2006 06:30 GMT OOOOPs i think I gave you the wrong link! Try this one http://good-times.webshots.com/album/555497757Bwhozq Kathy
Scotty - 12 Nov 2006 09:15 GMT > OOOOPs i think I gave you the wrong link! Try this one > http://good-times.webshots.com/album/555497757Bwhozq > Kathy No, they both worked okay.
Thats a great little camper. $17000 you say? What do they go for 2nd hand? (approximate price for say a 5 year old unit) I like how yours has stages of construction with or without the annex. Only issue is that Im 6`3 and I like my bed to fit me. Is there ways of extending the bed at all, even if its a fold out extender style?
Garry Beattie - 12 Nov 2006 20:18 GMT > OOOOPs i think I gave you the wrong link! Try this one > http://good-times.webshots.com/album/555497757Bwhozq > Kathy Both links worked for me.
Garry
Garry Beattie - 12 Nov 2006 20:17 GMT > Hello Garry > We bought a Cub offroad camper in 2004. New it cost us $17000 and so far [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > pics of our camper. > Kathy Thanks for the run down Kathy.
Cub was one of the brands I am looking at and I have asked them to send out a brochure and price list.
One thing though. On the model you have their web site says the front bed is a "lift up" bed. What do they mean by that??
Best regards
Garry
Kev - 13 Nov 2006 02:02 GMT > Thanks for the run down Kathy. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Garry it is hinged at the front so you can access the storage area under the bed, usually with gas struts to hold it and ease of lifting
Kev
Jim - 13 Nov 2006 08:49 GMT > Hello Garry > We bought a Cub offroad camper in 2004. New it cost us $17000 and so far [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > pics of our camper. > Kathy Hi Kathy. Couple of questions if I may. How does it handle the corregations and rough stuff ? I can't seem to find a web page for cub ?
Cheers Jim
Gerrit 't Hart - 13 Nov 2006 09:45 GMT > Hi Kathy. Couple of questions if I may. How does it handle the corregations > and rough stuff ? > I can't seem to find a web page for cub ? > > Cheers > Jim Try this: http://www.cubcampers.com.au/
Phred - 13 Nov 2006 10:25 GMT >> Hi Kathy. Couple of questions if I may. How does it handle the >> corregations and rough stuff ? >> I can't seem to find a web page for cub ? > >Try this: http://www.cubcampers.com.au/ The Specs page gives the "ball weight" for the various models and the "Touring" models all range 25 to nearly 40 kg for this spec. On the other hand, the "Off Road" models range from 50 to 145 kg.
ISTR Kathy saying she was able to handle their model by herself, so I'm just wonder which of the present models would be closest to the one her mob uses. Kathy...?
Cheers, Phred.
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Jim - 13 Nov 2006 11:34 GMT >> Hi Kathy. Couple of questions if I may. How does it handle the > corregations [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Try this: http://www.cubcampers.com.au/ Thanks Gerrit, appreciate it. Cheers Jim
Rocatanski - 13 Nov 2006 08:16 GMT Take a look at these,
http://www.exploroz.com/Trader/Campers_Trailers.asp?Type=For%20Sale&id=4160
http://www.challengecampers.com.au/
http://www.kangacampertrailers.com.au/
Garry Beattie - 13 Nov 2006 21:08 GMT > Take a look at these, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.kangacampertrailers.com.au/ Thanks for the links.
I am really swinging towards the Jayco Swan Off-road camper.
We checked out quite a few yesterday, including a Cub, but the Jayco's just seem to have the whole thing down to a fine art.
From completely closed, it took all of 3 minutes to set up. No tent poles or pegs, no moving anything around. Just wind it up, pull out the ends and put the braces in. A complete setup that could sleep up to 7 people, or in our case 3 with a nice dinette, lounge, microwave, fridge (3 way), stove (both 240v & Gas), 90L water tank, sink (with both tank and mains taps) and heaps of storage space for clothes etc. All for $23,000 brand new on the road.
The Cub we looked at was a Spacematic and, once set up, looked very good but it took a while to set it up and then you had to move poles around and lift things up in the trailer. That wasn't such a big deal, but our plan is to get something that is as easy and quick as possible to set up, and the Jayco seems to have it all down to a fine art. Mind you, in all fairness to the Cub, the person at that caravan place did not really seem interested in opening it up for us and did not do a very good job showing us, so we need to take that into consideration.
My only hassle now is, as I am prone to do, while we were at the Jayco dealer I had a look at their Jayco Destiny off road pop tops and thought it was very nice indeed. AND only $7,000 more than the Jayco Swan camper.
I hate it when I think like that!!
Does anyone have any experience with one of them??
Garry
Barnsey - 14 Nov 2006 01:56 GMT > I am really swinging towards the Jayco Swan Off-road camper. > >snip< > Does anyone have any experience with one of them?? > > Garry I had an old Jayco circa 1984 that I beefed up for off road. Patrol wheels, treg hitch etc. It was blown away in Cyclone Jacky (my first marriage) in 2000.
It was a great rig. A mate (not to be out done by Barnsey) went and bought a 2nd hand Jayco Swan. We both had young kids, pregnant wives, etc at that time (1999) We towed them in our MQ SWBs to some pretty remote places in NQ. Beaches, river banks, etc. Very comfortable and hassle free camping.
I'd go for a pop top over a camper any day. My van cost about $800 to convert to off road specs, but the Swans are purpose built.
Rocatanski - 14 Nov 2006 04:31 GMT I hired a Jayco for four weeks, it towed well but after 4000k's, 500k's on dirt things started to fall apart, hinges on the door fell off dust got into everything I was not real happy with it, this is why I went for the Care York Camper. I have towed it all over the place no dust and very happy.
>> Take a look at these, >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Garry Garry Beattie - 14 Nov 2006 06:29 GMT Hmmmm. Thanks. That is just the kind of input I am looking for.
Best regards
Garry
>I hired a Jayco for four weeks, it towed well but after 4000k's, 500k's on >dirt things started to fall apart, hinges on the door fell off dust got [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> >> Garry just us - 14 Nov 2006 22:08 GMT Ours seems to handle the corrugations well, no dust. garry if youa re 6foot then you would have to go for the bed lengthways which takes some of the space away. Buying a camper is a very individual thing - we all think we have the best. We love ours, so far no worries. First time we put it up and down was on the Bunya Mts and the whole camping ground had happy hour entertainment as it took us forever to work out what was going on. But by the time we were on our 5th day we were experts. Good luck hunting Garry, that is half the fun Kathy
Garry Beattie - 14 Nov 2006 22:21 GMT Thanks Kathy.
I do agree with you. No matter what it is just about everyone will always believe that what they have is the best, that is why I like to ask.... and ask.... and ask!!
That way you get many varied replies and after a while you tend to see a pattern form within the comments, good or bad.
The Cub looked great, don't get me wrong, and if it was priced better ($12,000 2nd hand) I would have happily purchased it. But you comments on the bed made me check it out and, at just on 6 feet, I could see a possible problem there.
Plus the extra hassles of all the extra setting up.
I don't know if my train of thought is right or not, but I figure if I need to set up something complex, rather than paying $12,000 I would be better of paying $300 for a good tent, or alternatively pay more money to get a much cosier and easier set up.
Garry
> Ours seems to handle the corrugations well, no dust. garry if youa re > 6foot then you would have to go for the bed lengthways which takes some of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > experts. Good luck hunting Garry, that is half the fun > Kathy just us - 15 Nov 2006 00:46 GMT Set up is not a problem for us. I am wondering what set up you mean? We fold ours down with the Annexe attached if we think we are going to stop a few days. On stopping, we level off, and let her go! 20 seconds later it is open, tighten up 4 legs, go inside and slide out one pole and it is done. For the annexe yep we do put 3 poles up unless we chuck it over the top if we dont need it, the poles need all up 5 pegs. Mostly we choose to not fold it down with the annexe attached as quite often if we camp in the shade etc we dont use it unless there is rain coming. thank goodness you checked your bed length LOL... imagine paying all that money and you cant have a good sleep in it. We are always very quick to tell tall people that it is probably not the one for you. The Regal offroad has the bed the other way so that would be ok, but it is way too massive for us
:) Good luck Kathy
> Thanks Kathy. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> experts. Good luck hunting Garry, that is half the fun >> Kathy Garry Beattie - 15 Nov 2006 21:33 GMT > Set up is not a problem for us. I am wondering what set up you mean? Hi Kathy.
The one they showed us (not real enthusiastically though) seemed to unfold OK, but the floor did not want to sit flat on the ground and there were poles and bars inside that needed adjustment. The kitchen had to be lifted up and the table set out above the fridge.
It certainly is not what you would call a major construction job, but it was time consuming.
Maybe they just didn't show me the correct way.
I would have also preferred the outside kitchen to the inside one.
Best regards
Garry
Rocatanski - 15 Nov 2006 04:48 GMT You are spot on it took me four years of trying hiring to find one I liked enough to buy, strange thing is it was one of the first ones we hired.
> Ours seems to handle the corrugations well, no dust. garry if youa re > 6foot then you would have to go for the bed lengthways which takes some of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > experts. Good luck hunting Garry, that is half the fun > Kathy Gerrit 't Hart - 15 Nov 2006 03:28 GMT > > Take a look at these, http://www.exploroz.com/Trader/Campers_Trailers.asp?Type=For%20Sale&id=4160
> > http://www.challengecampers.com.au/ > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > sink (with both tank and mains taps) and heaps of storage space for clothes > etc. All for $23,000 brand new on the road. Garry
We had a Swan for quite a few years. Unfortunately (for you) ours was not an off road model so I can't say anything about dust, corrugated roads etc. However I can confirm that it is a good unit for comfort, ease of set up and ease of towing. We originally towed it with a 1.9 litre Toyota Tarago, then with a Nissan Nomad (2.4l) and lastly with a Commodore station wagon. With the Tarago it was a bit sluggish but doable (Perth - Adelaide). The Nissan was more comfortable with towing and again we made the trip from Perth across the Nullarbor to Canberra and Melbourne. We traded it in on our third trip across, for a Jayco Hawk. Bit smaller but still comfortable for two people. We have met lots of people on our travels who have off road Jaycos and they haven't complained about dust. But maybe they are used to that.
Gerrit
Garry Beattie - 15 Nov 2006 21:35 GMT > We had a Swan for quite a few years. Unfortunately (for you) ours was not > an [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Gerrit Hi Gerrit.
We looked at the Hawk, Dove, Eagle and Swan and we felt the Swan was probably the best for us. Very nice indeed.
Did you notice much difference to towing performance and fuel economy between the Hawke and the Swan, and also without either?
I would be happy with the Hawk. It is very nice, but for the extra $2,000 the Swan seems to have a lot of extra's.
Best regards
Garry
Gerrit 't Hart - 16 Nov 2006 02:21 GMT > Hi Gerrit. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Garry Garry
Which model suits you best of course depends on you because you have your own unique requirements.
When we bought the Swan we still had 5 kids to take along everywhere. The two lounges was ideal for that. We could have two separate work areas for the kids on wet days. We also bought a second table for the lounge area so we could all eat in piece at the two locations on those days when we would eat indoors. We also bought an annex for extra sleeping room. The annex of course took some time to set up.
When we were due for an upgrade the children no longer came along so we needed something that was a bit smaller and the Hawk with its single sitting area is ideal when we have friends inside. We no longer have an annex but a small awning that we install whenever we stay for more than a day in one place. (Its just a piece of tarp which we can thread into the annex channel (before we wind up the roof) and fix with three poles.
As far as fuel consumption is concerned I have never actually done the figures. I consider that extra fuel is just one of the costs that come with owning a trailer. Obviously the heavier the trailer the greater the fuel consumption. With the smaller engined vehicles the fuel consumption difference between with and without trailer is larger than with a larger engined vehicle. Actually the Nissan Nomad was more expensive to drive with trailer than the Commodore! The speed at which you drive also makes a great difference. I have found that driving at 95 with the Commodore is much better than 105. As far as towing performance differences between the Swan and the Hawk are concerned they are very similar. Both are very stable. Mind you I have purchased some load sharing bars very soon after getting the Hawk and I would recommend them. The whole combination now feels much more like one unit than two separate units. Towing performance is of course very much a product of the combination with the towing unit having a great effect on the experience.
Gerrit
Trev - 20 Nov 2006 12:47 GMT Hi Garry, we spent a week in Adelaide looking at camper trailers this time last year. We were looking for a hard floor unit and the cub spacematic seemed like the best of the lot but priced at $21K it was a bit much considering it didn't give us much more space and comfort than our 30 year old Holiday Equipment Corvette camper trailer. One other problem we had to consider was the weight of the new units. Our camper is 400kg fully loaded. We would have to replace the 4Runner 2.4D so we could tow the 900kg + units with tinny or canoes on the roof. Of the camper trailers we saw the best value and ease of setting up we thought was the Heaslip see http://www.heaslipcampers.com.au/page.asp?parentid=3&parent2id=12 Also Coromal have some good stuff as well see http://www.coromal.com.au/products.asp Similar to the Jayco in some ways I think.
We will follow this thread with interest as we are still looking and can't make up our minds which way to go.
Cheers Trev
> Hi Guys. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Garry Garry Beattie - 20 Nov 2006 18:40 GMT > Hi Garry, > we spent a week in Adelaide looking at camper trailers this time last [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Cheers > Trev Thanks Trev, and thanks for the links.
I am starting to get a little concerned with the Jayco's as I have had a few people now tell me that they are great on-road (even the off road models) but don't take them onto a dirt road as they fall apart inside. The workmanship inside on the cabinets etc is not as good as it should be for an Off Road camper. This seems to be the general message I am getting.
Mind you I had a look at a local guys product yesterday, Koala Campers, and they seemed reasonable. Not as flash as some of the $20,000+ units, but at $7,000 seemed like a good buy.
He also showed me some of their off road caravans and I thought one was very nice indeed. 18 footer, single axle pop top. Almost the same as the Jayco inside except that underneath the suspension was like something I have never seen before. Very heavy duty and solid independent trailing arm suspension rated at 2.5 tonne. Honestly, I would not have any hesitation taking this thing down any track or dirt road. The van all up only weighed 1400kg, not much more than the Jayco Swan camper, and was priced at just $38,500 new.
It is still probably more than I wanted to pay, but I did like the idea of ease of set up, which was virtually nothing!!
I guess the fuel factor is playing a big part in my decision too.
We have been spoiled with our sailing boat. It is 28 feet and is very comfortable to live aboard. We can go away on that for a month and spend about $100 all up (plus food). If we decide to go touring with a camper trailer we are probably looking at about $100 per day just in fuel alone. That part is weighing on my mind a bit!!
Garry
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