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Mazda Tribute Fuel Economy

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Emjaye - 04 Dec 2006 03:12 GMT
Just filled the Mazda up. It's its first fill of just work/going down
the street commuting. At 297km it took around 52 litres.

I worked it out to be around 16 mpg. Not sure how to do the stupid
l/100km figure.

Whatever, how does that sound? Good, bad, average or to be expected? On
a long trip it's seen around 25 mpg so far. I have a mate who has the
Escape. 2 years older though (04). He says that when towing his boat, it
makes a Mack truck look like a Toyota Prius...
just us - 04 Dec 2006 04:17 GMT
I think that works out at just over 5 .7kms for every litre! ie in every
100kms you need  17.5 lts???
Umm my old Hilux does average of 12ts/100kms around town and up to
10lts/100kms on a long run on the highway as long as Madam Leadfoot is
behaving. In the bush it drops to around  14lts/100km if endless miles of
heavy sand, low range etc.
Kathy
BrianM - 04 Dec 2006 05:34 GMT
> Just filled the Mazda up. It's its first fill of just work/going down
> the street commuting. At 297km it took around 52 litres.
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> Escape. 2 years older though (04). He says that when towing his boat, it
> makes a Mack truck look like a Toyota Prius...

16L/100km is about average for around town (380km per tank)
I recently did a 350km trip up north on the tarseal, using cruise
control at 100-105kmph and the result was 9.8L per 100km.
This included approx 40-50kms of around town driving so that's
pretty good economy from a V6.  Towing or hill driving on the open
highway will increase fuel usage to the 15L-16L/100km.
There are some drivers who just can't get the lead out of
their boots no matter what they drive and the results are Always
going to be bad.  You have a grunty motor - it can also be economic
if you drive it properly - enjoy.
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Bludge - 04 Dec 2006 10:26 GMT
>> Just filled the Mazda up. It's its first fill of just work/going down
>> the street commuting. At 297km it took around 52 litres.
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> going to be bad.  You have a grunty motor - it can also be economic
> if you drive it properly - enjoy.

Sad, my 2004 4.7 v8 cruiser 13.5 ltrs per 100 on a run (loaded) and 16 ltrs
per 10 in town, with lead foot.

Bludge
tony@altavista.com - 04 Dec 2006 12:47 GMT
>> Just filled the Mazda up. It's its first fill of just work/going down
>> the street commuting. At 297km it took around 52 litres.
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>going to be bad.  You have a grunty motor - it can also be economic
>if you drive it properly - enjoy.

 Oooohhhhh am I not glad that I got a Turbo diesel 2.5l

Around 9.25 ~ 10 litres per 100 klm  City or country  empty or with a
bit of a load, flat or hilly.

Usually around 600 ~650klms  for tank fill of just under 60 litres
BrianM - 05 Dec 2006 01:39 GMT
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 23:40:37 +1000, tony wrote:

>>> Just filled the Mazda up. It's its first fill of just work/going down
>>> the street commuting. At 297km it took around 52 litres.
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>
> Usually around 600 ~650klms  for tank fill of just under 60 litres

lucky bastard - don't have to rub it in !.

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BrianM
Kev - 05 Dec 2006 02:06 GMT
>>Just filled the Mazda up. It's its first fill of just work/going down
>>the street commuting. At 297km it took around 52 litres.
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> This included approx 40-50kms of around town driving so that's
> pretty good economy from a V6.  

Are you serious???

That's large petrol 4WD(cruiser/Patrol) economy
that's sh.t for such a small vehicle
I'd be getting is looked at
12-13k/100 is about what you should get around town
and less that 10L/100 for hwy driving

Kev
BrianM - 05 Dec 2006 07:09 GMT
>>>Just filled the Mazda up. It's its first fill of just work/going down
>>>the street commuting. At 297km it took around 52 litres.
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>
> Kev

Kev, compared to some Triby owners I've spoken to recently, anywhere around
10L/100k is damn good economy. Its a hungry V6 151kw petrol engine with
4 speed auto.  The 2006 engine and electronic control have been modified
to give a better fuel economy - I haven't heard any reports yet what the
difference is. Just about any kind of diesel would beat the arse off it
in the fuel stakes.  I wouldn't describe it as a small vehicle, it
fits into the medium size, i.e. 1700kg class.

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Scotty - 05 Dec 2006 10:31 GMT
>> Just filled the Mazda up. It's its first fill of just work/going down
>> the street commuting. At 297km it took around 52 litres.
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>
> 16L/100km is about average for around town (380km per tank)

For a new Mazda thats CRAP!!!

Hell, I carry around 700kgs of tools and stuff in the back of me Rodeo and I
get at least 13.6L/100kms. And thats a V6 as well. To top that off I carry
ladders on the roof as well.
D Walford - 04 Dec 2006 07:04 GMT
> Just filled the Mazda up. It's its first fill of just work/going down
> the street commuting. At 297km it took around 52 litres.
>
> I worked it out to be around 16 mpg. Not sure how to do the stupid
> l/100km figure.

Its very easy, 52 divided by 2.97= 17.5/lts/100klms which IMO means its
bloody thirsty for a soft roader.

> Whatever, how does that sound? Good, bad, average or to be expected?

Very bad, my 2003 3.4lt V6 4WD Hilux averages 12.5lts/100klms.
Hopefully yours will improve when its done a few klms.

Daryl
just us - 04 Dec 2006 08:01 GMT
> Its very easy, 52 divided by 2.97= 17.5/lts/100klms which IMO means its
> bloody thirsty for a soft roader.

Thank god someone agrees with me! I was never much good with Maths :)
D Walford - 04 Dec 2006 08:22 GMT
>> Its very easy, 52 divided by 2.97= 17.5/lts/100klms which IMO means its
>> bloody thirsty for a soft roader.
>
> Thank god someone agrees with me! I was never much good with Maths :)

Seems like you aren't that bad at maths after all:-)
Working out lts/100klms is not really that difficult.

Daryl
Emjaye - 06 Dec 2006 18:24 GMT
D said....

> Seems like you aren't that bad at maths after all:-)
> Working out lts/100klms is not really that difficult.

Maybe not. But it's a bullshit way of measuring something. Why didn't
they go with km/l, being a natural progression from mpg?
D Walford - 07 Dec 2006 06:10 GMT
> D said....
>
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> Maybe not. But it's a bullshit way of measuring something. Why didn't
> they go with km/l, being a natural progression from mpg?

I used to think that way but once you get used to it its no more
difficult than working out mpg or km/l.

Daryl
Emjaye - 11 Dec 2006 02:54 GMT
D said....

> I used to think that way but once you get used to it its no more
> difficult than working out mpg or km/l.

Oh, I'm used to the method, but still think that it's a wanky way of
measuring fuel consumption. Why introduce a constant such as 100 km,
when no journey is a fixed distance? The only constant is the unit
quantity that fuel is measured - litres.

I'd be interested to know what Europeans and other metric countries use
to measure their vehicles' fuel economy.
Bristan - 07 Dec 2006 22:59 GMT
>D said....
>
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> Maybe not. But it's a bullshit way of measuring something. Why didn't
> they go with km/l, being a natural progression from mpg?

Something to do with the fact that km/l is  a measure of distance travelled
per set amount of fuel rather than fuel consumed.
So if you are quoting fuel consumption, technically km/l is not a measure of
fuel consumed.
Officialdom likes to be pedantic and get it right.
Litres per.... is a measure of the fuel consumed
Fuel consumtion doesn't have to involve distance .
Eg you can have litres per hour, litres per min etc.
Also with km/l the as the number gets higher the fuel consumed is actually
less.
eg 10 km/l is less fuel consumed than 5 km/l
whereas 10 l /100km is more fuel consumed than 5 l/100km
Minor point, I know but it keeps the pedantic happy.
Bristan
Phred - 08 Dec 2006 14:28 GMT
>D said....
>
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>Maybe not. But it's a bullshit way of measuring something. Why didn't
>they go with km/l, being a natural progression from mpg?

If you'd been brought up on gallons per 100 miles you wouldn't have
this problem. :-)

(Actually, the only logic I can see is that it makes it marginally
easier to work out how much fuel you'll need for a given trip of, say,
2365 km -- multiplication allegedly being easier than division. :)

Cheers, Phred.

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Emjaye - 11 Dec 2006 05:32 GMT
Phred said....

> (Actually, the only logic I can see is that it makes it marginally
> easier to work out how much fuel you'll need for a given trip of, say,
> 2365 km -- multiplication allegedly being easier than division. :)

Ok, without using a calculator, how much fuel will I need for a 1,334km
trip? Presume an average consumption of 6.4l/100km.

Or, in 1,873km I used 1,03l of fuel. What was the fuel economy for that
journey?

Show sums used.

Marks deducted for inproper use of SI units...

:-)
Phred - 11 Dec 2006 15:17 GMT
>Phred said....
>
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>Ok, without using a calculator, how much fuel will I need for a 1,334km
>trip? Presume an average consumption of 6.4l/100km.

In round figures I'd reckon a bit less than 90 L (but I'd take a bit
more :).

How much would I need to go 1298 miles at 18.7 mpg?
(Gallons will do. :)

>Or, in 1,873km I used 1,03l of fuel. What was the fuel economy for that
>journey?

Not very economical I'm afraid.  How big's the truck?
And it proves my point -- division is harder than multiplication.
(But you only need to do it once to get a ball park figure when you do
things this way.)

>Show sums used.
>
>Marks deducted for inproper use of SI units...

You mean like applying CK55 at 50 kg/acre?  :-)

Cheers, Phred.

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Emjaye - 11 Dec 2006 21:41 GMT
Phred said....

>>Marks deducted for inproper use of SI units...
>
> You mean like applying CK55 at 50 kg/acre?  :-)

Sort of. That's similar to tyre sizes which use mm (millimetres) for
width and inches for diameter...

I was actually refering to the practice of people using terms such as
"kph", "klms" and so on, rather than "km/h", ""km", etc.
Phred - 12 Dec 2006 14:32 GMT
>Phred said....
>
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>I was actually refering to the practice of people using terms such as
>"kph", "klms" and so on, rather than "km/h", ""km", etc.

I know what you mean.  :-)

But the silliest thing in the SI standard is official:  the use of
"kilogram" as a base unit.  By all logic, that should mean what we
call a gram is really a millikilogram.  [I should also mention that I
actually prefer the "...mme" versions of these units. 8-)]

Cheers, Phred.

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Emjaye - 04 Dec 2006 17:44 GMT
D said....

> Its very easy, 52 divided by 2.97= 17.5/lts/100klms which IMO means its

Thanks for the calc.

>> Whatever, how does that sound? Good, bad, average or to be expected?
>
> Very bad, my 2003 3.4lt V6 4WD Hilux averages 12.5lts/100klms.
> Hopefully yours will improve when its done a few klms.

It's got 17,000km on the odo now. So, it should be run in...

I'll get it checked at the next service. See what the Mazda dealer has
to say, etc.
D Walford - 05 Dec 2006 09:19 GMT
> D said....
>
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>
> It's got 17,000km on the odo now. So, it should be run in...

That makes it even worse.

> I'll get it checked at the next service. See what the Mazda dealer has
> to say, etc.

Does it do a lot of short trips where it doesn't have enough time to get
up to full operating temp?
If thats the case there probably isn't a lot wrong with it, we owned an
EF Falcon a few years ago and with the short trips of less than 5 klms
that my wife did a lot of it sucked fuel as if we owned an oil company.
It did better than 10lts/100klm on a long drive but around town it was
terrible.

Daryl
BrianM - 05 Dec 2006 21:06 GMT
>> D said....
>>
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>
> Daryl


May I add that this seems to be the case with my Tribute?. short trips are
dynamite on the consumption, whereas a long even speed trip on the highway
seems to settle it down and give what I consider  good economy.
I bought the Trib for its power and comfort - economy wasn't a major
factor - because I would have bought a V8 model if they produced one !

cheers
BrianM
Emjaye - 06 Dec 2006 01:24 GMT
BrianM said....

> May I add that this seems to be the case with my Tribute?. short trips
> are dynamite on the consumption, whereas a long even speed trip on the
> highway seems to settle it down and give what I consider  good economy.
> I bought the Trib for its power and comfort - economy wasn't a major
> factor - because I would have bought a V8 model if they produced one !

Pretty much my sentiments. My wife is suffering increasingly painful
knees joints (arthritis). Getting in and out of the Commodore was
painful for her, as was the way you sit in such cars. The Sportage was a
more comfortable vehicle for her. So, when the lease ended on the
Commode we looked at something like the Kia, but with more grunt.

Toyotas and the like are expensive and unnecessarily larger, and Kias
aren't that flash as far as quality and power goes (the Sorrento may be
OK). So, it came down to the Mazda/Escape range. We got a good deal on
the Tribute, paying $26k on a superceded 2006 model with a bit over
10,000km on it.
BrianM - 06 Dec 2006 21:22 GMT
> BrianM said....
>
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> the Tribute, paying $26k on a superceded 2006 model with a bit over
> 10,000km on it.

that was a good price, the 2003 models are still selling for that or more.
BrianM
Emjaye - 07 Dec 2006 03:52 GMT
BrianM said....

>> OK). So, it came down to the Mazda/Escape range. We got a good deal on
>> the Tribute, paying $26k on a superceded 2006 model with a bit over
>> 10,000km on it.
>  
> that was a good price, the 2003 models are still selling for that or
> more.

That's what made me snap it up. Penfold Mazda in Burwood, an inner
eastern suburb of MEL had a few of them. Some were cheaper, but older
and more kays, some a bit newer. We could have gotten a new one, still
superceded, for $31k but it didn't have leather interior. So, for $5k
less I think that we got a reasonable deal. Especially compared to
purchasing a current model which would've cost us $10k more.
BrianM - 07 Dec 2006 09:39 GMT
> BrianM said....
>
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> less I think that we got a reasonable deal. Especially compared to
> purchasing a current model which would've cost us $10k more.

does it have the floor-mounted auto shift ?
BrianM
Emjaye - 08 Dec 2006 03:05 GMT
BrianM said....

>> and more kays, some a bit newer. We could have gotten a new one, still
>> superceded, for $31k but it didn't have leather interior. So, for $5k
>> less I think that we got a reasonable deal. Especially compared to
>> purchasing a current model which would've cost us $10k more.
>  
> does it have the floor-mounted auto shift ?

No. As mentioned earlier, it's the superceded model. The new ones cost
$10k more. Mine's an 05/06 build.
Emjaye - 06 Dec 2006 01:20 GMT
D said....

> Does it do a lot of short trips where it doesn't have enough time to get
> up to full operating temp?

that's basically what this last tank of juice was used doing - trips to
work and back (20 km of mostly 100 km/h road) and short trips shopping,
etc.

I've seen it get closer to 10l/100km on longer journeys, where the car's
doing 110-120 km/h on cruise control.

Certainly it seems to be a bit thirstier than the car that it replaced,
a VXII Commodore SS. (6sp man.).
Yobbo - 04 Dec 2006 10:20 GMT
thats not real good, my 4.8 petrol patrol gives me around 18L/100 km around
town and around 15L/100km Highway
> Just filled the Mazda up. It's its first fill of just work/going down
> the street commuting. At 297km it took around 52 litres.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Escape. 2 years older though (04). He says that when towing his boat, it
> makes a Mack truck look like a Toyota Prius...
Kev - 05 Dec 2006 02:08 GMT
> thats not real good, my 4.8 petrol patrol gives me around 18L/100 km around
> town and around 15L/100km Highway

and even worse it's a Nissan
:)

Kev
Yobbo - 05 Dec 2006 05:00 GMT
Dunno Kev owned a toyota turbo diesel last 4wd, slow and gutless, dont mind
paying for the fuel for the 4.8 atleast when I put my foot down something
happens right away not the next day, you keep buying them over priced
toyotas TW, and leave the value for money nissans for the rest of  us poorer
truck wits.  Yobbo

>> thats not real good, my 4.8 petrol patrol gives me around 18L/100 km
>> around town and around 15L/100km Highway
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>
> Kev
Bludge - 04 Dec 2006 10:27 GMT
"Bludge" <bludge@nospam.com> wrote in message news:...

>> On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 13:12:55 +1000, Emjaye wrote:
>>
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> Sad, my 2004 4.7 v8 cruiser 13.5 ltrs per 100 on a run (loaded) and 16
> ltrs per 10 in town, with lead foot.

That is per 100

> Bludge
 
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