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Maybe a dumb question but do all winches fit all vehicles as long as you have the winch bar for that vehicle?? Tah Lushy No. A 70ton-winch will never fit a 'Zuki no matter which winch bar he carries. Maybe you can help us a bit - glassbowl is broken - by clarifying your question to the audience? > Maybe a dumb question but do all winches fit all vehicles as long as > you have the winch bar for that vehicle?? > Tah > Lushy Cheerz, Axel > No. A 70ton-winch will never fit a 'Zuki no matter which winch bar he > carries. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Cheerz, Axel Fitting a winch to a 2001 Jeep Wrangler - have a sports bar at the moment and was hoping that a winch bar would fit behind it, and a high mount type winch onto that. I donot want to put a bull bar on at this stage. Lushy >> No. A 70ton-winch will never fit a 'Zuki no matter which winch bar he >> carries. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I donot want to put a bull bar on at this stage. > Lushy Also there are several types of winch, hydraulic,power take off or the common electric. It would be nice to think the manufacturers work to a standard mounting but I dont know if it happens :-)  SignatureCheers .......... Rheilly P >> No. A 70ton-winch will never fit a 'Zuki no matter which winch bar he >> carries. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I donot want to put a bull bar on at this stage. > Lushy Hmm a winch bar is a bullbar :) You may be able to mount some behind a standard bumper if you install a support frame, much easier just to go into a 4x4 accessories place give them the model of the winch, vehicle details & order a new bar to suit. If you intend to play hard enough to actually use a winch then you will probably write off your standard bumper anyway sooner or later. > Maybe a dumb question but do all winches fit all vehicles as long as you > have the winch bar for that vehicle?? > Tah > Lushy Yes but to your suggestion that you don't want to fit a winch bullbar just yet you will then need to fit a winch mounting frame behind your bumper which usually necessitates major mods to the original bumper or bumper mounts to fit the winch frame behind it then you will have a bumper that sits about 6 inches further out that before(depending on how much space is behind the standard bumper to start with) Kev >> Maybe a dumb question but do all winches fit all vehicles as long as >> you have the winch bar for that vehicle?? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Kev Ok so its a bullbar I fit then - makes a lot of sence indeed. I get out in the bush on my own some times and the added safety of the winch is a must - on my means no other car not totaly on my own, that would be silly. Lushy We have never owned an electric winch. Have been bogged in deep water, where you couldnt use a winch. We had a troopie some years back which had a PTO winch and the only use it got was when a mate wanted to lay a couple of hundred mts of cable and we pulled it through the conduit for him! LOL The biggest question Lushy is "do you REALLY need a winch?????" Yep, get a bullbar, but a winch????? I too go bush on my own, and I am but a mere little female, but I dont think a winch would make me safer - do you really need one? Ask most people and the winch just sits on the front of their 4wd looking pretty :) Kathy >> I too go bush on my own, and I am but a mere little female, but I dont >> think > a winch would make me safer - do you really need one? Ask most people and > the winch just sits on the front of their 4wd looking pretty :) > Kathy With youKathy, I have 4300kg winch weighing nearly 40kg sitting behind my bullbar, used twice to recover others and 5 times as a flying fox when camping. Lushy spend the money on a 4WD course or join a club. Bludge >>> I too go bush on my own, and I am but a mere little female, but I >>> dont think [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Lushy spend the money on a 4WD course or join a club. > Bludge Yep done the courses and a member of the Melb Jeep Owners Club. Lushy >>>I too go bush on my own, and I am but a mere little female, but I dont >>>think [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Lushy spend the money on a 4WD course or join a club. > Bludge Which will do bugger all when your sliding towards a tree or drop off and need something to pull you back up been there, used the winch to stop the vehicle from sliding into a heap of trees, I could have stuffed about for an hour getting myself out without a winch but 10 mins later I was on my way I've used the winch to pull old concrete up when I had my new fence put up, used it to pull tree stumps, recover broken Rangerovers, straighten my bent steering arm sure he could spend ages stuffing about extracating himself from bogs and stuff, but why waste time, a winch will have him out in minutes, and it will work underwater(as long as the battery and explsed wires are not under water) Kev >>> I too go bush on my own, and I am but a mere little female, but I dont >>> think [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Lushy spend the money on a 4WD course or join a club. > Bludge My 4Runner had a Toyota standard winch fitted to a puesdo bullbar. I used it so much that I had worn out the rope, replaced with stainless and a slightly larger style and its still on there as far as I know. Used mostly for safety (to stop the vehicle tipping or moving to far down a bank) but also great for pulling bushes and unwanted trees (Small ones of course) out of the garden. > With youKathy, > > I have 4300kg winch weighing nearly 40kg sitting behind my bullbar, used > twice to recover others and 5 times as a flying fox when camping. oh poop, forgot that idea. Shows how long ago since I build one. > We have never owned an electric winch. Have been bogged in deep water, > where you couldnt use a winch. We had a troopie some years back which had [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > people and the winch just sits on the front of their 4wd looking pretty :) > Kathy Yes a handwinch is much more universal in application, can be winched any direction you want >> We have never owned an electric winch. Have been bogged in deep >> water, where you couldnt use a winch. We had a troopie some years [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Yes a handwinch is much more universal in application, can be winched > any direction you want Have a crook ticker and have been advised they are bloody hard work, is this not true? Lushy >>> We have never owned an electric winch. Have been bogged in deep >>> water, where you couldnt use a winch. We had a troopie some years [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > is this not true? > Lushy If they are the way to go it would cost me a lot less indeed. Lushy >>>>We have never owned an electric winch. Have been bogged in deep >>>>water, where you couldnt use a winch. We had a troopie some years [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > If they are the way to go it would cost me a lot less indeed. > Lushy but yes they can be very hard work, even just setting it up and you have to be out winching with an electric winch you can do it from the drivers seat and help the winch along otherwise it's winch all the way by hand Kev >>>>> We have never owned an electric winch. Have been bogged in deep >>>>> water, where you couldnt use a winch. We had a troopie some years [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Kev Kev you make sence to me mate, a winch to me is like insurance - useless till you need it, as I thought the h/winch would be great for a fit younger person. Maybe I am more game where I go - concidering it is mostly into the high country of Victoria and there aint a lot of help out there when you need it. Lushy 51 yo Jeep Wrangler High Country nut (and Duke rider, thats why the 4x4 as the duke dont like dirt LOL) On a Wrangler there is enough frame exposed up front that you can set-up a winch very comfortably without changing the factory bumper. You will need what is called a winch plate. Talk to ARB/Warn and they will have for a Wrangler. Its much cheaper than the bullbar. I know 'cause I drive a Wrangler as well. Also have a chat with someone in the club who is running a winch with stock bumper on a Wrangler. TW Kev wrote: > Lushy wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Kev Kev you make sence to me mate, a winch to me is like insurance - useless till you need it, as I thought the h/winch would be great for a fit younger person. Maybe I am more game where I go - concidering it is mostly into the high country of Victoria and there aint a lot of help out there when you need it. Lushy 51 yo Jeep Wrangler High Country nut (and Duke rider, thats why the 4x4 as the duke dont like dirt LOL) >>> We have never owned an electric winch. Have been bogged in deep >>> water, where you couldnt use a winch. We had a troopie some years [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > this not true? > Lushy They are BLOODY HARD WORK!!!! Electrics the way to go. > Have a crook ticker and have been advised they are bloody hard work, is this > not true? Use pulley to halve the force, but double the arm work. Alternatively, perhaps you can just put a longer amr on them. If you can tell when your ticker is being stressed, then you just take a break. >> Have a crook ticker and have been advised they are bloody hard work, is >> this not true? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If you can tell when your ticker is being stressed, then you just take a > break. And if yourve a decent winch ya just keep your finger pressed lightly on that button and enjoy the ride! Hand winches are usefull when ya have to winch sideways or backwards. > And if yourve a decent winch ya just keep your finger pressed lightly on > that button and enjoy the ride! I think that would all be wonderful. It was just the power requirements that scared the bejesus out of me, then I added up the cost and thought of al the things I'd have to do without to set it up. > Hand winches are usefull when ya have to winch sideways or backwards. That shows lack of forethought. Surely you could design a few attatchment points for directional change pullies {:-). Of course, the failure of any winching/pulley system is the anchor points. >> And if yourve a decent winch ya just keep your finger pressed lightly on >> that button and enjoy the ride! > > I think that would all be wonderful. It was just the power requirements > that scared the bejesus out of me, then I added up the cost and thought of > al the things I'd have to do without to set it up. Same goes for every sport, if you cant afford it dont do it. A small winch is all thats required as long as you have ample snatch pullies and blocks. All my 4x4ing to date with winches has been with a 4000pound winch (Stock toyota which is more likely to be about 2000 pound) >> Hand winches are usefull when ya have to winch sideways or backwards. > > That shows lack of forethought. Surely you could design a few attatchment > points for directional change pullies {:-). Rear mounted winchs are best as you always, well almost always drive INTO problems. > Of course, the failure of any winching/pulley system is the anchor points. >Use pulley to halve the force, but double the arm work. So what your saying yes, they are bloody hard work and suck arse if you have a f.cked heart or are unfit even to the point chances are it will do you 0 good? Having been involved in a recovery few yrs back on Sunset Track, with a ute on its side, in the end there were 4 tirfors going and a whole crew (ballpark 10 people all up) going for 4 hours pulling this thing back up the hill, and Pulling opposite corners sideways to straighten it up at same time back onto wheels... 2 electric winches, 2 operators, and 1 maybe 2 winch bitches and 20 mins would have sufficed. I have a tirfor, havent used since that evening, and infact just waiting for the next sucker to come pick it up! >> Use pulley to halve the force, but double the arm work. > So what your saying yes, they are bloody hard work and suck arse if [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I have a tirfor, havent used since that evening, and infact just > waiting for the next sucker to come pick it up! Is it for sale biggus? Lushy Was, mate in Petersborough bought it, but he lives 1500klms away, just waiting for him to Pop by lol >Is it for sale biggus? >Lushy > The biggest question Lushy is "do you REALLY need a winch?????" Yep, get a > bullbar, but a winch????? Absolutely! Combined with a large tree, a snatch block, a shackle and a bit of rope, they make an awesome flying fox. :-) >> The biggest question Lushy is "do you REALLY need a winch?????" Yep, get >> a bullbar, but a winch????? > > Absolutely! Combined with a large tree, a snatch block, a shackle and a > bit of rope, they make an awesome flying fox. :-) You must have a awesomely long winch rope then! I say leave the winch at home and just be very cautious in all attempts in 4wd country. Where do you stop buying things that just keep you out of pocket? Once again I cant help but wonder if you REALLY need a winch??? Kathy >I say leave the winch at home and just be very cautious in all attempts in >4wd country. Where do you stop buying things that just keep you out of >pocket? Once again I cant help but wonder if you REALLY need a winch??? > Kathy Obviously your 4x4ing doesnt get to adventurous Kathy. Winches are almost essential for more aggressive 4x4ing. >>I say leave the winch at home and just be very cautious in all attempts in >>4wd country. Where do you stop buying things that just keep you out of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Winches are almost essential for more aggressive 4x4ing. Some people like to go 4WDing and some take the boring route Kev Disagree sorry. Been 4wding all my life, I might be a girl but I have been 4wding. Yes, you do get yourself in some tizzyies, but I still dont think we >>I say leave the winch at home and just be very cautious in all attempts in >>4wd country. Where do you stop buying things that just keep you out of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Winches are almost essential for more aggressive 4x4ing. >Disagree sorry. Been 4wding all my life, I might be a girl but I have been >4wding. Yes, you do get yourself in some tizzyies, but I still dont think we >all need wiinches. Where the hell do you 4wd Scotty? Doesnt take much wheeling to require a which, once you get off fire trails and find a few challenges.. Fire trails?? what are they? No fire trails here - we could be so lucky :P Gawd I am starting to sound like a wife - watching the pennies going on things that look great on the w.nk tank, but totally unused . kathy > >Disagree sorry. Been 4wding all my life, I might be a girl but I have > >been [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Doesnt take much wheeling to require a which, once you get off fire > trails and find a few challenges.. > Disagree sorry. Been 4wding all my life, I might be a girl but I have been > 4wding. Yes, you do get yourself in some tizzyies, but I still dont think > we all need wiinches. Where the hell do you 4wd Scotty? When I have a winch at my disposal, any where I damn well want to! :O) Your dead right, 99.99% of 4x4ing will not involve the use of a winch, but when you have one its like when you go from Bald road tyres to Mud terrains, you can now go further in the mud than you would without them. Ive used my winch (on my previous 4x4) during mud bogs, grassy slopes, sand, clay, pulling trees out, pulling others free, gettign through bogs (Pre let out rope and sort a vehicle to attach to BEFORE you enter the bog of course). Finances being good I will get another winch. Its insurance and when you want to get over that rise when its wet you will be glad you bought one. >> Disagree sorry. Been 4wding all my life, I might be a girl but I have been >> 4wding. Yes, you do get yourself in some tizzyies, but I still dont think [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Finances being good I will get another winch. Its insurance and when you > want to get over that rise when its wet you will be glad you bought one. I got bogged a while back in the Ford blitz , it uses a model T diff for winch drive and thankfully got us out . I didn't realise the mud was almost 5 feet deep :) > Disagree sorry. Been 4wding all my life, I might be a girl but I have been > 4wding. Yes, you do get yourself in some tizzyies, but I still dont think we > all need wiinches. Where the hell do you 4wd Scotty? Ok here is a case in point for a winch we came across this guy stuck out in the beerburrum forestry he had been there sine 2pm the previous day the time here is approx 11am http://members.optusnet.com.au/~kevcat/pics/patrol%20stuck.jpg he was just driving around the fire tracks for a look see, decided to turn around, didn't see the small culvert in the grass and dropped a wheel into it, he was stuck with the chassis sitting in the concrete edge and the front wheel spinning in the air http://members.optusnet.com.au/~kevcat/pics/patrol%20stuck2.jpg he tried everything he could to get it out, anything he could find to get traction but could not move the car in reality he could have walked out of there in about 2 hours to get some help but he was not a local so wasn't sure he could find his way back to the vehicle if he left it took us 2 mins with a tow strap to get him out now if he'd had a winch, he would have been out all by himself in 10 mins(yes even a hand winch) Now as to where we go 4WDing http://members.optusnet.com.au/~kevcat/pics/rockclimb.jpg How do you suppose this guy got out of this one? http://members.optusnet.com.au/~kevcat/pics/patrolmud.jpg I have a winch and use it for many things as well as vehicle recovery and I don't think I'll ever have another 4WD without one Kev > Now as to where we go 4WDing > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Kev What!! You needed a winch to get up that! You pussy! Should be driving a Toyota eh. ;O) >>Now as to where we go 4WDing >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > ;O) Well the Nissan ute didn't make it typical of Nissans this hill stuffed the clutch(second one in two years from new, now replaced with a compitition clutch) and of course Scotty you are welcome to join us on the next trip :) Kev >>>Now as to where we go 4WDing >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Kev Love to. Where and when? PS Have two 100's ready for you. Only issue is that they are a little older than the others so you can have em at a good price if your interested. Still in good condition with good internal resisitance etc. Load tested okay and holding charge at 13.4V no worries. 1/2 what ya paid for the last ones if your interested. >>>>Now as to where we go 4WDing >>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > holding charge at 13.4V no worries. 1/2 what ya paid for the last ones if > your interested. No worries I'll call ya Kev Kev was the "rock climb" behind Tolga? Looks very much like a spot not 5 mins from our front door. The photo of the nissan in the big bog hole... umm why would you want to do that? You must be loaded, just wanting to drive thru that ???? Yes that is 4wding, but there must have been something very good at the end of it - cant help but wonder why you would want to do that LOL >>>>>Now as to where we go 4WDing >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Kev > Kev was the "rock climb" behind Tolga? Looks very much like a spot not 5 > mins from our front door. The photo of the nissan in the big bog hole... > umm why would you want to do that? You must be loaded, just wanting to > drive thru that ???? Yes that is 4wding, but there must have been > something very good at the end of it - cant help but wonder why you would > want to do that LOL Not because we want to, because we can :) >>>>>>Now as to where we go 4WDing >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> >> Kev >> Kev was the "rock climb" behind Tolga? Looks very much like a spot not 5 >> mins from our front door. The photo of the nissan in the big bog hole... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Not because we want to, because we can :) And thats exactly why most people do most enjoyable things, because you want to and you can. >Kev was the "rock climb" behind Tolga? Looks very much like a spot not 5 >mins from our front door. Reminds me of a bit of the track going over the ridge to above the failed dam on Rocky Creek. (The one that TC Steve killed.) >>The photo of the nissan in the big bog hole... umm >>why would you want to do that? You must be loaded, just wanting to drive >>thru that ???? Yes that is 4wding, but there must have been something very >>good at the end of it - cant help but wonder why you would want to do that >>LOL Could be many places of course, but that one reminds me of a wet spot on the CREB track that we encountered about 30 years ago. Given the traffic that way since then, it wouldn't surprise me if it had got a bit deeper than when we went through it. :-) [snip] >>>>>>Now as to where we go 4WDing >>>>>>http://members.optusnet.com.au/~kevcat/pics/rockclimb.jpg >>>>>> >>>>>>How do you suppose this guy got out of this one? >>>>>>http://members.optusnet.com.au/~kevcat/pics/patrolmud.jpg [snip] Cheers, Phred. SignatureppnerkDELETE@THISyahoo.com.INVALID >>Kev was the "rock climb" behind Tolga? Looks very much like a spot not 5 >>mins from our front door. > > Reminds me of a bit of the track going over the ridge to above the > failed dam on Rocky Creek. (The one that TC Steve killed.) You got it in one Phred. When we bought our last Hilux hubby was up north working so I picked it up, grabbed sons and said "lets see what she can do". Track is very washed out these days but a good test all the same. Happy to say no worries getting over the rocks on that track. That whole hill has been bought now, and there are some house pads up there but you can still drive to the Mt Emerald turnoff. Some idiots tried to drive down the saddle that leads across to Mt Emerald last year and rolled their 4wd - ho hum. I dont think a winch would have helped them there ROFL. You could see where they had tried the winch and the 4wd just kept going down the hill on its side! In the end a lot of digging, carrying of rocks and hauling with the help of 3 4wd idiots and they retrieved the car - was fascinating to watch as all this took said idiots 3 weeks to acomplish. Kathy > Kev was the "rock climb" behind Tolga? Looks very much like a spot not 5 > mins from our front door. The photo of the nissan in the big bog hole... umm > why would you want to do that? You must be loaded, just wanting to drive > thru that ???? Yes that is 4wding, but there must have been something very > good at the end of it - cant help but wonder why you would want to do that > LOL Nop that rock climb is in the Beerburrum forestry between Brisbane and the Sunshine Coast and that bog hole was so deep that he couldn't even open the doors to get out and we drive through it because we can Like I said some people go 4WDing and some take the boring route this is just a day out, a Sunday drive not a long touring trip, of course if we were heading off into the bock blocks for some camping we wouldn't be wasting time getting bogged in holes or climping rocky cliffs Kev >> Kev was the "rock climb" behind Tolga? Looks very much like a spot >> not 5 mins from our front door. The photo of the nissan in the big [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Kev So true Kev, down here in Victoria there is that many tracks that it will take a lifetime to cover them all, the winch in my humble opinion is cheap insurance indeed. That track reminds me of the Old Wye River Track near Apollo Bay and bloody boggy as well when it rains. As a mate says dust just mud without the water! Lushy > Ok so its a bullbar I fit then - makes a lot of sence indeed. > I get out in the bush on my own some times and the added safety of the winch > is a must - on my means no other car not totaly on my own, that would be > silly. > Lushy 1) I do not own a 4WD 2) I've only ever read one review of working with winches. It was enough to convinve me that a bull bar mounted winch was the last method. Sure, it appears to be relatively quick and convienient, but you can screw your battery real fast and if you do it wrong you can injury yourself very easily. OTOH winches are probably good it you have a commercial schedule to keep. Not getting caught is probably the best move. I would be more inclined to include a couple of cable pullers (or whatever they are called), plus a pile of cable, chains, clamps, etc. cheaper, lighter, slower(enjoy more of the scenery and nature) and most importantly, very versatile. I can use that cable and cable puller to set up a long ridge line for a large tarp for shade, shelter, etc, or to hoist the shower bucket (ok, I actually use a handy billy), but you get the idea. >> Ok so its a bullbar I fit then - makes a lot of sence indeed. >> I get out in the bush on my own some times and the added safety of the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It was enough to convinve me that a bull bar mounted winch was the last > method. Sure, it appears to be relatively quick and convienient, Damn straight! >but you can screw your battery real fast and if you do it wrong you can >injury yourself very easily. Thats why you carry a winch banket! >OTOH winches are probably good it you have a commercial schedule to keep. Then you have no experience in what your on about, a closed mouth catches no flies. A small battery with a large winch can drastically reduse its life, a correct battery for the application, no worries. Dual batteries even better. > Not getting caught is probably the best move. Thats why you dont own a 4WD! > I would be more inclined to include a couple of cable pullers > (or whatever they are called), plus a pile of cable, chains, clamps, etc. > cheaper, lighter, slower(enjoy more of the scenery and nature) and most > importantly, very versatile. Another reason why you dont own a 4WD. > I can use that cable and cable puller to set up a long ridge line for a > large tarp for shade, shelter, etc, or to hoist the shower bucket (ok, I > actually use a handy billy), but you get the idea. let me guess, you own a Falcon station wagon!? >>Not getting caught is probably the best move. > > Thats why you dont own a 4WD! I think they serve a wonderful purpose to carry the gear and food for my bush bicycle activities. {:-). By the way Terry, where is your latest bicycle adventure? We did the Lappa Rail Trail on the Australia weekend - no winch and we survived! LOL :P Kathy >>>Not getting caught is probably the best move. >> >> Thats why you dont own a 4WD! > > I think they serve a wonderful purpose to carry the gear and food for my > bush bicycle activities. {:-). > By the way Terry, where is your latest bicycle adventure? Sadly not anymore. There are not too many powerpoints out bush. Hence my lurking to bone up a bit on 4WDing. We both love the out of way places. > We did the Lappa Rail Trail on the Australia weekend Read the report, nice. > - no winch and we survived! LOL :P Sssh, they'll get jealous. {:-) |
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