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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / 4x4 Cars (Australian group) / February 2008New diesel Hilux dual cabs 4WD
Anyone here own one of these? Thinking about buying one of these to tow a 1600kg caravan around Australia and to do some exploring with. Cheers Ron > Anyone here own one of these? Thinking about buying one of these to tow a > 1600kg caravan around Australia and to do some exploring with. I know someone who has one of those and he loves it, don't know if he tows anything heavy with it though. Looking at the engine power figures the diesel has more torque than my petrol 3.4lt V6 so it should tow well. Daryl Friends of ours bought one May last year and we went seriously bush in our old Hilux and they were in the new one. They damaged the side steps (too low) and the bash plate. Also they "graded" the track with the bottom of their vehicle. We are keeping our old hilux :P They love the "car drive" but are disappointed in its serious off road ability. They went back to Toyota and it was going to cost them thousands to sort out the suspension so that it was an offroad vehicle. Kind of sad to spend all that money and still have to fork out so that you can actually go seriously off road with it huh? kathy I have a diesel Xtra cab - close enough? It's 4WD with a trayback that usually carries a Trayon camper, so an all-up load of around 1 Tonne. If I stick to speed limits (which I always do of course ;-) ) the fuel consumption is close to 10L per 100Km (11lL at worst) and windage seems to be the biggest factor - lower speeds on dirt return about the same figure, maybe slightly better. I don't plan to tow and have not fitted a towbar to keep the exit angle as high as possible so can't help you there, but certainly I am very happy with the motor, plenty of torque and surprisingly economical. Had it for 8 months, done 12,000Km (about 3,000 on dirt), just had the first service and am completely happy with it. Only negative: I took delivery with the standard Bridgestone tyres and they are not good in the wet on bitchumen - care needed, but they are wearing well, performed adequately over sand, gravel, corrugations and rocks and are not very noisy on the tar, so it's not all bad! I would buy another at the drop of a hat. Hope that helps - cheers Malcolm > Anyone here own one of these? Thinking about buying one of these to tow a > 1600kg caravan around Australia and to do some exploring with. > > Cheers > > Ron >Anyone here own one of these? Thinking about buying one of these to tow a >1600kg caravan around Australia and to do some exploring with. > >Cheers > >Ron I just went through the process of buying a new 4wd. Being a Toyota bigot, I went off the buy the hilux. However after much research and talking to new hilux owners I decided to give them a miss because they are not very capable off road. If you take a good look at the hilux you will notice the appalling overhang at the front which results in bad clearance. Also the seem to sit lower in the front than the back. Also, the towing capacity is piss poor at just over 2tonne. In the end I bought a Navara. Its since proved itself off road, but has developed a few squeaks. Mechanically its good and can pull 3tonne, which means I can buy a bigger boat now :) I get about 12l/100km out of it, don't believe the people who say you will get 10l/100kms, its not true. I have been told that the hilux is a great car to drive on bitumen, and if you are not intending on going off road very often its probably not a bad option. >>Anyone here own one of these? Thinking about buying one of these to tow a >>1600kg caravan around Australia and to do some exploring with. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >and if you are not intending on going off road very often its probably >not a bad option. Except that it seems to be grossly overpriced compared with competitors. Cheers, Phred.  SignatureppnerkDELETE@THISyahoo.com.INVALID >> I have been told that the hilux is a great car to drive on bitumen, >> and if you are not intending on going off road very often its probably [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cheers, Phred. Yeah, the SR5 is about 5k dearer than the equivalent Navara. Although on paper the Hilux's more fuel effecient and will likely have better resale. My old man just bought one. The only things that swayed him from the Navara was that the engine is more effecient, quieter and less stressed, and that there's room under the bonnet for a second battery. He plans to own it for a long time so really wanted the most solid engine. >>> I have been told that the hilux is a great car to drive on bitumen, >>> and if you are not intending on going off road very often its probably [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >He plans to own it for a long time so really wanted the most solid engine. I researched the resale value as well, and the hilux is not better. If you take into consideration that you actually pay more for the hilux then the resale is actually worse. As for the motor, horses for courses these days. Look after it and it will look after you. The second battery is too true though, the only place to fit a decent one in the navara is in the tray. As for efficency, i assume you mean fuel. 4x4 turbo deisel auto: Nissan: 105 Toyota: 13.1 I can assure you that I dont get 10.5 though, closer to 12, but both are tested to same standard. >>>> I have been told that the hilux is a great car to drive on bitumen, >>>> and if you are not intending on going off road very often its probably [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > I can assure you that I dont get 10.5 though, closer to 12, but both > are tested to same standard. Those figures sound high for diesels, my 3.4lt petrol V6 2003 Hilux averages 12.5lts/100klm. Daryl >As for the motor, horses for courses these days. Look after it and it >will look after you. Just ask 3.0 GU owners... >>>> I have been told that the hilux is a great car to drive on bitumen, >>>> and if you are not intending on going off road very often its probably [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > I can assure you that I dont get 10.5 though, closer to 12, but both > are tested to same standard. Curious as to where you got your figures? Dad looked at the actual stickers on the windscreens. It was for Auto TD as well. >>>>> I have been told that the hilux is a great car to drive on bitumen, >>>>> and if you are not intending on going off road very often its probably [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >Curious as to where you got your figures? Dad looked at the actual >stickers on the windscreens. It was for Auto TD as well. Figures straight from the websites. I did spend a lot of time researching the two, including dealership visits. I had a hardtime justifying the cash spent on a new 4wd, but the accountant decided for me!!! So when I did take the plunge, I made sure I was getting value for money, even though I wanted the toyota. >>>>>> I have been told that the hilux is a great car to drive on bitumen, >>>>>> and if you are not intending on going off road very often its probably [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >the accountant decided for me!!! So when I did take the plunge, I made >sure I was getting value for money, even though I wanted the toyota. Sorry screwed up, must have picked the petrol. Toyota is actually 9.3 on the website. >>>>>>> I have been told that the hilux is a great car to drive on bitumen, >>>>>>> and if you are not intending on going off road very often its probably [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Sorry screwed up, must have picked the petrol. Toyota is actually 9.3 > on the website. I was starting to worry that my father based a 55k decision on the wrong info! We would have looked foolish... >>>>>>>> I have been told that the hilux is a great car to drive on bitumen, >>>>>>>> and if you are not intending on going off road very often its probably [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >I was starting to worry that my father based a 55k decision on the wrong >info! We would have looked foolish... At the end of the day, its stuff all difference. But I highly recommend that you drop the "toyota is more robust" argument and go spend the time looking at the vehicles and test driving them. There is stuff all differences between the quality of different manufacturers these days. For example, if you can handle the ugly triton body, then I would honestly say that this is one of the best 'bang for buck' cars on the market at the moment. Also, dont forget about dealership service. I have dealt with toyota for many years now with commercials and I can honestly say that their service sucks. Not only that, but all the dealers I have personally dealt with in Brisbane are arrogant pricks. [snip] >Also, dont forget about dealership service. I have dealt with toyota >for many years now with commercials and I can honestly say that their >service sucks. Not only that, but all the dealers I have personally >dealt with in Brisbane are arrogant pricks. Nothing changes then! My Tojo [LC ute] dates from 1976. When bought from the local dealer here in the deep north I wanted to have decent tyres fitted. I was told to eff off -- take it as is or not at all. So I took it. (In those days there was no serious option anyway.) Those original tyres lasted nearly 12,000 km. On the other hand, I'm still driving the beast 30 years later, so I can't complain about the vehicle itself. (Apart from it being rough as guts, noisy, and bloody hard to steer in parking lots. :) On the other other hand, a number of friends who drive seriously offroad as part of their survey work tell me the latest Hiluxes and LCs aren't worth a pinch of sh.t as they come bog standard. (The mag reviews seem to agree, at least WRT the new Hilux dual cab TDs.) Cheers, Phred. SignatureppnerkDELETE@THISyahoo.com.INVALID > Also, dont forget about dealership service. I have dealt with toyota > for many years now with commercials and I can honestly say that their > service sucks. Not only that, but all the dealers I have personally > dealt with in Brisbane are arrogant pricks. Gotta agree there. Thats the main reason why I bought a Nissan last year DP Boy are you in for a terrifying shock if you have chagned to find better service! >Also, dont forget about dealership service. I have dealt with toyota >for many years now with commercials and I can honestly say that their >service sucks. Not only that, but all the dealers I have personally >dealt with in Brisbane are arrogant pricks. > Boy are you in for a terrifying shock if you have chagned to find > better service! Yes, there are just as many and [as far as we can find, more] horror stories/whinges RE Nissan dealers. >Boy are you in for a terrifying shock if you have chagned to find >better service! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>service sucks. Not only that, but all the dealers I have personally >>dealt with in Brisbane are arrogant pricks. Look, none are perfect and all can improve. In brisbane I have never had good service from toyota, both in buying new cars and in service departments. This is both in service and sales. TO be honest, the last two personal cars i bought were largely based on dealership service. I made web enquiries via website and the only manufacturer that never responded in both circmstances was toyota. > At the end of the day, its stuff all difference. But I highly > recommend that you drop the "toyota is more robust" argument and go [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > service sucks. Not only that, but all the dealers I have personally > dealt with in Brisbane are arrogant pricks. Quite a lecture. For your information he test drove both vehicles and decided the hilux felt a surer bet. There's little to base the choice on given the fact that the models and most new owners haven't yet done that many k's in either to form a definitive consensus as to which is better. The happy buyers are pretty much split evenly Niss/Toyo as far as we've been able to find, which really boils the decision down to which you feel more comfortable driving. For him it was worth the extra. As for the triton, no, I've not met anyone that can stand it. And normally I'm not one to be put off too much by unconventional styled gear so long as it's tough and does masses of hard k's without falling apart. As for your dealers gripe, as far as I can see, both have their fair share of sh.t dealers. Equal once again. But thanks anyway... > Anyone here own one of these? Thinking about buying one of these to tow a > 1600kg caravan around Australia and to do some exploring with. > > Cheers > > Ron I was going to buy one myself,so I rang a mate who brought one to tow a van around Australia,and asked him how it was travelling.he said that after having a bull bar fitted he had to have the front springs reset because they were sagging,and now he is in Tassie (only travelled from the Gold Coast) and the clutch is completely stuffed,and will be fixed under warranty,the gearing is wrong so he is either revving the guts out of it or its struggling,and very heavy on fuel.He recons he wont have it much longer.I brought a Nissan Navara instead. > .he said that after having a bull bar fitted he had to have the front springs reset because they were sagging, pretty standard issue on most 4wds. > and now he is in Tassie (only travelled from the Gold Coast) and the clutch is completely stuffed,and will be fixed under warranty, interesting, Id be suprised if they replaced it under warranty. but stranger things have happened. >gearing is wrong so he is either revving the guts out of it or its struggling,and very heavy on fuel. Is it standard? eg stock tires, canopy etc changed? > He recons he wont have it much longer.I brought a Nissan Navara instead. Couple of the nissans havin issues bending chassis. I could only find one thread at the moment, too tired. http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/53867/Bent_chassis_on_d40.aspx?ky=chassis&p= %2fForum%2fDefault.aspx%3fs%3d1%26sd%3d01%252f01%252f2008%26ky%3dchassis%26pn%3d 1 >> .he said that after having a bull bar fitted he had to have the front springs reset because they were sagging, >pretty standard issue on most 4wds. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/53867/Bent_chassis_on_d40.aspx?ky=chassis&p= %2fForum%2fDefault.aspx%3fs%3d1%26sd%3d01%252f01%252f2008%26ky%3dchassis%26pn%3d 1 A mate of mine had a toyota a few years back and bent a chassis. HE also sheared the brake lines, the tail light wiring and snapped the prop shaft CV bearing cross member. Do you think he would get warranty? >A mate of mine had a toyota a few years back and bent a chassis. HE >also sheared the brake lines, the tail light wiring and snapped the >prop shaft CV bearing cross member. Do you think he would get >warranty? mate of mines grenade did 2 engines, one was hole in #4, crack in 1 2 3 pistons, the flywheel, clutch at 60,000klms, idler bearings, AC compressor sh.t itself few times, 3-4 mass air flow sensors, intercooler hose bursting do you think he got warranty? Not sure why anyne is asking but a clutch is a consumable, I woudlnt expect warranty >> Anyone here own one of these? Thinking about buying one of these to tow a >> 1600kg caravan around Australia and to do some exploring with. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > or its struggling,and very heavy on fuel.He recons he wont have it much > longer.I brought a Nissan Navara instead. Then theres sh.t house drivers too! I am a Jeep man and my next rig will be the JK Unlimited Turbo, so like all arguments which is best is like aresole everyone has one. Bring on the flame throwers LOL, I am the owner now of a wragler 4 litre fuel gusseller but it at least does the 4x4 stuff well! Lushy Thanks everyone for your input. Sounds like the Nissan diesel dual cab navara is the better buy then. Cheers Ron > Anyone here own one of these? Thinking about buying one of these to tow a > 1600kg caravan around Australia and to do some exploring with. > > Cheers > > Ron > Thanks everyone for your input. Sounds like the Nissan diesel dual cab > navara is the better buy then. > > Cheers > > Ron Of course it is of course if you believe that I have a Bridge you may be interested in they are all so much alike I doubt you will find one better than the other ever since Toyota went the gay softroader IFS route they lost a lot of customers(for both the Hilux and cruiser wagons) the Nissan Navara being cheaper and having the same pissweak front end suspension type I am still betting the few problems(everyone has all these stories about all these so called major problems) the Toyota has they will still be going as long if not longer as the others the new Hilux and cruisers use a variable geometry turbo there have been a few issues with these but I would think Toyota will have these issues sorted in time Kev >> Thanks everyone for your input. Sounds like the Nissan diesel dual cab >> navara is the better buy then. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I have a Bridge you may be interested in > they are all so much alike I doubt you will find one better than the other I agree with this. > Thanks everyone for your input. Sounds like the Nissan diesel dual cab > navara is the better buy then. How much heavy duty off roading are you planning on doing? If its a lot I wouldn't buy either a Hilux or a Navara, a Patrol or Landcruiser would be much better. Daryl >> Thanks everyone for your input. Sounds like the Nissan diesel dual cab >> navara is the better buy then. > > How much heavy duty off roading are you planning on doing? > If its a lot I wouldn't buy either a Hilux or a Navara, a Patrol or > Landcruiser would be much better. Just bigger and tougher, or better built you reckon? [Looking into one for myself and the missus. Has to be a single cab so I can put a canopy over her to cover a matress, fridge and big toolbox] Hilux's seem to be on the expensive side, although I've only really looked at ebay and carsales at this stage to get a general idea. Later model turbo diesels seem difficult to get - noone seems to want to part with them. I'd probably not want less than a 3.0 in the hilux - don't want it to be a total slug. [That said, being a diesel I don't want nor expect sports car pickup]. As far as I can see, buying a hilux and spending a couple of k to give it more grunt would put it in the realm of landcruiser prices. But then, how comfy is the ute on long distances through the rough roads? So many questions, so poorly written [its late] Heh. >>> Thanks everyone for your input. Sounds like the Nissan diesel dual >>> cab navara is the better buy then. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Just bigger and tougher, or better built you reckon? Doubt if they are better built but they are certainly built for harder work. IMO Hilux's have always been a light duty 4WD, despite that the early ones seem to stand up very well to very harsh treatment off road but they suffered badly on road where they handled poorly, later models like my 03 Xtra Cab handle much better on road but aren't as good in severe off road conditions so like everything you have to decide if the loss of off road ability is worth it for the big gains on road and what suits your particular needs. > [Looking into one for myself and the missus. Has to be a single cab so I > can put a canopy over her to cover a matress, fridge and big toolbox] [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > model turbo diesels seem difficult to get - noone seems to want to part > with them. When I bought mine just over 3 yrs ago the Holden Rodeo was more expensive than the Hilux and the Navara was slightly cheaper. I originally wanted a dual cab Turbo diesel but ended up with a V6 petrol Xtra Cab, 18mth old dual cab diesels were selling for only slightly less than a new ones so IMO they were overpriced. Daryl >>> Thanks everyone for your input. Sounds like the Nissan diesel dual >>> cab navara is the better buy then. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > So many questions, so poorly written [its late] Heh. Both the Landcruiser and Patrol utes are quite comfortable onroad these days The Patrol having all coil springs and the cruiser having coils in the front(leaf rears on the cruiser can handle heavy loads better than the Patrols coils) The lighter Hilux/Navara etc are rougher due to them being light but having 1 tonne suspension, along with them being rougher they also skip across corrugations and which can trow them offline when cornering I have had Hiluxen for years, both IFS and solid front axle type the solid front type are rough to drive but are much better offroad because of the leaf springs being simple and sturdy while the IFS can't handle the rough offroading as they are too soft and don't allow enough suspension travel(lifting a wheel over small ruts and losing traction) this goes for any IFS from all makers, not just Toyota ask "Rod Outback" about his experience with the Navara and the roads around Longreach, not a good picture for Nissan Kev >Thanks everyone for your input. Sounds like the Nissan diesel dual cab >navara is the better buy then. > >Cheers > >Ron I wouldnt say that. I would say go check out all of them. They all have the pro's and cons, you need to decide which are more important. For me being a toyota biggot was a tough call buying a nissan, but I swallowed my pride and chose based upon what I thought best fitted my needs and what i though was best value for money. Your needs may be very different, do yourself a favour and go check out all manufacturers. >> Anyone here own one of these? Thinking about buying one of these to tow a >> 1600kg caravan around Australia and to do some exploring with. >> >> Cheers >> >> Ron |
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