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86 4 runner fuel comsumption

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tony - 24 Feb 2004 11:05 GMT
I just purchased an 86 4runner for the missus (2.2 litre, EFI, auto)
We seem to be getting 16 litres per 100 kms in the city. She is not a lead
foot. Is this typical for this particular car? I have gotten better fuel
consumption from an auto falcon panel van or v6 rodeo.

Apart from this I am very happy with the car, especially for the price
($4300 with reco engine).

One problem. Occasionally when cold it splutters and misfires etc, either
first thing, or within 5 minutes. How would I check the cold start injector
(if it has any!?)

I will probably pull the injectors out and get them cleaned any way.

regards
Tony
nickv - 24 Feb 2004 21:28 GMT
wow my 88 4runner is carby, and I can quite easily use that amount of fuel,
the worst being closer to 20l/100km.  I would of hoped a EFI system would of
been a bit more economical.  Typically though I use about 12-14l/100km in
the city, but the car and motor have been modified to improve fuel
consumption and power.

Just a thought, is the thermo fan working correctly (disengaging when cool
and cruising).  Replacing mine with and electric jobbie made a world of
difference to my car.

How long ago was the motor replaced, when I first rebuild mine the economy
went to sh.t for a while.

Bear in mind that it is a large heavy vehicle with an underpowered motor, if
you want to go much faster than an average diesel truck you are going to
suck down fuel. (reason for 65l standard tank I guess).

And lastly mine is a manual, apparently the auto wont help your fuel
consumption.

> I just purchased an 86 4runner for the missus (2.2 litre, EFI, auto)
> We seem to be getting 16 litres per 100 kms in the city. She is not a lead
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> regards
> Tony
Tony Smith - 24 Feb 2004 22:19 GMT
> > I just purchased an 86 4runner for the missus (2.2 litre, EFI, auto)
> > We seem to be getting 16 litres per 100 kms in the city. She is not
> > a lead foot. Is this typical for this particular car? I have gotten
> > better fuel consumption from an auto falcon panel van or v6 rodeo.

This gives you a range of around 400km.

You will be pleased to know that the turbo diesel in the Surf variant
of the Hilux gets no better economy. My wife, who has a much softer
foot than I do, has got as much as 520km form a tankful (with the red
light on for the last 20km), I seldom get much more than 420~450.

As another poster says, simply the price you pay for a heavy
non-aerodynamic body, propelled by a little engine.

> > One problem. Occasionally when cold it splutters and misfires etc,
> > either first thing, or within 5 minutes. How would I check the cold
> > start injector (if it has any!?)

Generally, if you have a cold start injector, it will be obvious. But
instead of automatically suspecting the injector I'd be looking at the
cold start sensor first. You will find it either inserted in the
trunking leading to the engine air intake or in the top of the air
cleaner, depending on model. Most auto electricians will test this for
you for only a few $$s

The other thing that would be high on my list of "usual suspects" would
be distributor cap, spark leads and spark plugs.

As a matter of personal experience I will not use Nippondenso plugs in
any vehicle I own, others will swear by them I know, but in th epast
similar annoying little faults in engines I've owned have miraculously
gone away after swapping out ND plugs for NGK or Bosch (German).

I've also lost count of the number of times annoying ignition faults
have proved out to be aftermarket HT leads. I will now only use OEM, or
if OEM is simply too expensive, copper cored leads that I make up
myself.

You may notice that ignition coil is not on my list at all. The
reliability of modenr coils is such that they generlaly either work or
not. But if you really get lost looking for your fault, some auto
electricians still have coil testers and the knowledge to use them.

> > I will probably pull the injectors out and get them cleaned any way.

Injectors are probably one of the most misunderstood, most maligned and
needlessly interefered with components in a modern engine.

If, as your post indicates, your engine is running fine once warmed up,
is responsive without stumbles, misses or hesitations and getting
acceptable fuel economy (and again another post indicates that you
are), leave the poor things alone and keep your money in your pocket.

Tony Smith
D - 25 Feb 2004 02:33 GMT
> You will be pleased to know that the turbo diesel in the Surf variant
> of the Hilux gets no better economy. My wife, who has a much softer
> foot than I do, has got as much as 520km form a tankful (with the red
> light on for the last 20km), I seldom get much more than 420~450.

I have a Manual 3lt TD Surf & average about 12.5l/100.When we fillup we will
at most be able to put 50-55lt in, & we get about 450-480K out of that.

Maybe its the Manual, Maybe its the 3lt.  Neither my wife nor I are light
footed, when we were it used to go through more.  Something I have found
however is fuel quality makes about 100k difference.  Safeway fuel it will
go through 55lt in about 350k.

D
Anath - 25 Feb 2004 09:55 GMT
Reminds me of the adage:
"If Sir has to ask about the fuel economy, perhaps Sir would be better
served at, say, a Daewoo Dealer?" :)

My 84 Hilux (3Y Carb) gets around 16-20l/100km. I'm surprised a 4Y EFI isn't
a little easier on the juice.

A quick check is to borrow a timing light and make sure the timing is
spot-on. being an 18 year old vehicle the O2 sensor may be kaput as well. I
don't know if "UltraTune" are still any good, but they have the equipment to
help pinpoint anything thats causing it to guzzle juice, and its relatively
cheap peace of mind, certainly cheaper than an injector service.

anyway, 4Y-EC does have a cold start injector, it's a low-Z ND unit,
resistance should be around 3-5 ohms.It's located on the plenum chamber
(just downwind of the throttle body), right next to the rocker cover's
centre bolt.

could also be a faulty 'Thermotime" switch, If you like I can scan in the
relevant pages from the service manual and upload them somewhere..

cheers,

> I just purchased an 86 4runner for the missus (2.2 litre, EFI, auto)
> We seem to be getting 16 litres per 100 kms in the city. She is not a lead
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> regards
> Tony
tony - 25 Feb 2004 10:25 GMT
> Reminds me of the adage:
> "If Sir has to ask about the fuel economy, perhaps Sir would be better
> served at, say, a Daewoo Dealer?" :)

The fuel consumption doesn't bother me too much. I love the car, just wanted
to ensure it is running as best as could be expected.

> My 84 Hilux (3Y Carb) gets around 16-20l/100km. I'm surprised a 4Y EFI isn't
> a little easier on the juice.

I think the automatic is one reason for the heavy usage.

> A quick check is to borrow a timing light and make sure the timing is
> spot-on. being an 18 year old vehicle the O2 sensor may be kaput as well. I
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> (just downwind of the throttle body), right next to the rocker cover's
> centre bolt.

sounds easy. 3-5 ohms- at room temp i assume?

> could also be a faulty 'Thermotime" switch, If you like I can scan in the
> relevant pages from the service manual and upload them somewhere..

i have an old service manual in one of the many boxes (we are renovating the
house). I might just drop into an auto elec and get a general check. Thanks
for the info.

Anyone got a second hand long range tank for sale?

Thanks to all who responded.

Tony.
Tony Smith - 25 Feb 2004 11:57 GMT
> Anyone got a second hand long range tank for sale?

Haven't got a tank for sale, but I might be able to save you a lot of money.

If you are prepared to lose your undercar spare tyre carrier (not a problem
on a Surf as they already have either a rear hatch mount, or the captive
bolts to mount one) it is a relatively trivial job to mount a Nissan GQ
Patrol fuel tank between the rails where the tyre mount was (at last
something useful from a Nissan). These can be had for as little as $50 from
wreckers.

Next you need the filler neck with manual dual tank changeover valve from a
late 80s on Troop Carrier. This is somewhat smaller than the similar device
fitted to Landcruisers, the Troopie part will fit inside the panels of a
Hilux in place of the standard filler, the Landcruiser part will not. Some
bending, filing, grinding and filling is required however, for one thing the
mounting holes in the fuel filler alcove do not line up.

The solenoid changeover valves and fuel gauge change over relay from either
Troopie or Cruiser is also required. Try to get the wrecker to let you do
the removing, that way you can preserve most if not all of the fuel line and
hoses (and get an idea of how it all goes together).

For under $300 and the investment of a weekend you are up and running with
more than double your original fuel capacity.

Notes.
If you have not already done it, you will be putting new rear springs into
the Hilux, fortunately, for the coil spring models this is a 30 minute job..

In regards to adding additional fuel tanks and interfering with your
vehicle's fuel systems, doing this yourself may breach a veritable raft of
regulations, rules, etc. It will also almost certainly void insurance
contracts, roadworthy etc. Disposing of whatever was in the GQ tank when you
bought it will also put you in breach of the EPA legislation into the
bargain.

Keep it looking workman like and steadfastly maintain  that it was like that
when you bought the vehicle and you thought they were all like that so you
didn't realise that it was modified will get you around your insurance
company, the public servants couldn't care less unless you either dump 80
litres of fuel on the road outside a primary school, old people's home or
the PM's  residence  or (God forbid) emulate a Buddhist monk and incinerate
it.

The last is good as most (if not all) the evidence is destroyed, unless some
incredibly vapid Caravaner comes to a screeching halt across three lanes of
traffic and breaks out the Aviation Fire and Rescue sized extinguisher and
puts it out just after it is too f.cked to be repaired but with sufficient
evidence still existing to excite both insurance companies and public
servants (don't laugh happened to a mate of mine who was standing by not
actually happy about his heavily modded troopie burning to the waterline,
but sanguine with the prospect of using the insurance money he didn't get to
build a new one. Had to pay for repairs to the road too).

Tony Smith
 
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