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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / 4x4 Cars (Australian group) / March 2004

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engine swap CRV+ HRV

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dash8 - 08 Mar 2004 01:30 GMT
I have recently finished restoring a 2000 HRV that had fire damage to the
interior and some panel damage

I was wondering if anyone has tried or heard of an engine swap with the 2.0
engine from the previous model CRV ?

The HRV came with a D16 and CVT box but the size and shape of the old CRV
engine and gearbox looks like it should fit (snugly) basic measurements
indicate this , but as usual in these situations learning from someone elses
experience can make the world of difference in areas like cooling ,
vibration , suspension , handling , electrics etc etc.

So , if any one here has heard of such a conversion please pass on some
details.

Regards

-8

(ps)
Please , if you are are about to launch into an anti-honda spitfest : this
is purely a project car and is not intended for anything other than the
enjoyment of restoration by 2 bored airline engineers - 17" rims with wide
low profile rubber ,an evil blue paint job and leather interior are all
thats different from stock standard , and a shock mount modificaton to
preserve the original wheel clearances has raised the vehicle by only 2cm.
Ian Bee - 08 Mar 2004 02:59 GMT
> I have recently finished restoring a 2000 HRV that had fire damage to the
> interior and some panel damage
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> experience can make the world of difference in areas like cooling ,
> vibration , suspension , handling , electrics etc etc.

Don't know......but would like to know how you get on!

I have had my HRV for 5 years, all fully tricked up for goin' away, but
would like to set up somethiong that allows me to have some sort of
transfer case - clutch lock so I can set it up for continous use in sand
& mud, then disengage for road.

Perhaps there is a closet HRV - CEV guru out there that knoes about
these things??????

Cheers

Ian
kevcat - 10 Mar 2004 11:24 GMT
> > I have recently finished restoring a 2000 HRV that had fire damage to the
> > interior and some panel damage
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Perhaps there is a closet HRV - CEV guru out there that knoes about
> these things??????

Why would you spend the money, sell the thing and get something that has
what you want(Suzuki Vitara for instance)
it would be cheaper
why do people pay money for something that doesn't do what they want,
and then spend more money to make it do what it was never designed to
do?

BTW what do you mean by fully tricked up for going away? going away
where?

Kev
Ian Bee - 12 Mar 2004 07:50 GMT
> Why would you spend the money, sell the thing and get something that has
> what you want(Suzuki Vitara for instance)
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Kev

Okay.........fair point!!

When I bought my Honda new 5 years ago, all I wanted to do was stay on
graded roads, but I have been bitten by the bug.

I will still keep my Honda, I just love the little machine, it is
excellent for just myself to go away for 3 - 4 days taking photo's.

If Tracy ( Wife ) is comming along, we use her car.......get this......a
Mitsubishi 1995 Delica Space Gear.  We seemed to have gone from one
extreme to the other!!!!

Okay, tricked up Honda.......

This unit has been seen often in the Adelaide Hills.

Roof Rack & Basket.

4 x 10 Litre Water Containers mounted to rear, which swing out to access
rear.

Full Weldmesh Cage to rear to store cameras.

Sliding Aluminium table from rear door to use as kitchen.

Dual Battery set up.

Lot's of other little goodies.....

I own & run a Sheetmetal & Welding workshop......can't help myself!!!!

Where do I go?

Okay.......Deep Creek, Coorong, Gawler Ranges, Mungo, Venus
Bay.........these are very regular.  Have been to High country as well.

I always stay on tracks when out on my own, I'm not that adventourous or
keen to be digging out a soft roader on my own.

This little machine gets me to some good spots, without the need for a
True 4 x 4 & recovery gear etc., etc......   As I said, I can always
take the Mitsubishi if I really want to get somewhere difficult.

To quote a famous american photographer........" if it's more than 200
metre from my car.........it's not photogenic......."

Cheers

Ian
kevcat - 13 Mar 2004 12:48 GMT
Ok well I think modifying the HRV to have a locking transfer alone woud
necessitate a complete gearbox and transfer swap,(BTW do these things
have an E/W engine? being mostly front wheel drive I'm guessing they
are)

maybe you could do a Subaru engine and driveline conversion(Subi GT
turbo engines have a bit more power than the HRV I hear)

HRV with 4 inch lift, 31 inch tyres, turbo Subi engine and drive
ripping up the sand dunes in front of a bunch of very confused "real"
4WDers
as much as I hate the Hondas, it'd be good for a laugh though

seriously though
I think the cost involved would not make it a viable option

Kev
dash8 - 22 Mar 2004 07:33 GMT
G'day kev,

since i started the original (engine swap CRV+ HRV) thread here I'll reply.

the vehicle was sold on saturday so i guess this is all just academic now.

The intention of the original post on this NG was to seek any kind of
information regarding an engine/gearbox swap for these 2 models of honda s.
The problem we wanted to work around , rather than overcome,  was the CVT
gearbox in the HRV being unsuitable for a significant power increase.
A CRV eng/gbx swap was the best of many ideas that emerged after a few too
many cold ales , as the size and weights were close enough to avoid any
suspension mods.
on saturday morning we decided to park it on the grand parade to get some
some idea of its value and had offers from $7K (wtf ?) $15K and $19K , so I
made up a sign for $22990 and 2 hours later was "negotiated down" a bit
:-)

The modification to make the CRV or HRV into an AWD with components from the
forrester center and rear diffs is relatively cheap and easy.

The cost to obtain used / wrecker parts for fitting to our last 3 projects
have been peanuts , thanks to a friend whose family owns a major parts
wharehouse in western Sydney.

(ps)
rebuilding and mod projects are not really that expensive if you do not have
to account for your time and labour and only put in a few hours here and
there over the course of 18 months or so....our previous saturday arvo beer
and BBQ projects were , (1) a forrester rebuild (massive hail damage but
only 9000kms and near new ) , big rims/rubber + body lift and turbo mod
taken from GT forrester. sold to a suby devotee in canberra during
summernats for a very tidy profit.(2) 98 model CRV with a modified forrester
driveline to rear diff  for AWD , sold to honda dealership in south sydney
and paid $6000 to drive away a new CRV sport for the wife (3) 2000 model HRV
with fire damage......sold 20/3/04 for $21400 to a 22 year old who seemed
more concerned with "how it looked " than anything else.

suggestions for next project ??

(i have my nomex flame proof suit on , so dont hold back now guys)

:-)

dash8

> Ok well I think modifying the HRV to have a locking transfer alone woud
> necessitate a complete gearbox and transfer swap,(BTW do these things
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>
> Kev
Ian Bee - 22 Mar 2004 11:26 GMT
> suggestions for next project ??
>
> (i have my nomex flame proof suit on , so dont hold back now guys)

Yes......

I still want my 99 build 3 door sport manual to have a rear locking
diff.

Please work out a really neat & cheap way of doing this so I can have
something that sort of resembles part time 4 x 4 but still has the
comforts of a damn fine road handling vehicle.  After all, 95 % of my
driving in this thing is on the bitumen.
dash8 - 23 Mar 2004 04:57 GMT
> I still want my 99 build 3 door sport manual to have a rear locking
> diff.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> comforts of a damn fine road handling vehicle.  After all, 95 % of my
> driving in this thing is on the bitumen.

G'day Ian,

short answer to your questions : cheap- no , neat- no , works well - yes.

basically the entire engage /disengage of power supply to the rear wheels is
contained in the rear differential.
the universal at the end of the rear drive shaft connects to a clutch pack
inside the diff .
(using dynamic oil pressure) the clutch is controlled by rotation speed
comparison of the drive axles +  drive shaft.

as an experiment in 1998 sometime , I machined 2 "taps" into the clutch
packs in the rear diff housing and using a flexible high pressure hydraulic
line with a return/stop/return valve in the cabin next to the handbrake ,
was able to lock in the rear diff whenever needed.

worked faultlessly on loose dirt, sand, mud, grass, etc etc
seemed to work fine on dry/wet seal surfaces , but i was too chicken to
thrash it hard and test it to destruction.
the clutch discs never seemed to heat up as i expected ,
I assume that normally there is a lot of slipping and friction when they
work ,
but since the valve switching was always fully "ON" or "OFF"  there was
presumably no significant heating of the diff oil.

A friend that now works for honda in NZ says that when he visited the Honda
Plant in Japan last year they had adopted an almost identical engineering
model that was being bench tested for the next series of CRV.

If you are keen , I suggest you find a scrunched up HRV in a wrecker yard
somewhere and pinch the rear diff , take it apart and do the mods in your
garage then fit it , that way you will still have transport and a spare diff
if the tricked up one self destructs.....

good luck.

Dash

(ps)
i agree with you about the vehicle being quite a nice drive , i grew quite
fond of it over the last few months.
kevcat - 23 Mar 2004 08:45 GMT
> suggestions for next project ??

what about one of these hondas with live axles for real offroad ability

Kev
 
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