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nick - 15 Mar 2004 00:29 GMT http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8970473%5E26317%5E%5Enbv%5E15306 -15321,00.html
Robot car race ends in tears
ALL 15 self-navigating vehicles in a 150-mile race across the Mojave Desert were knocked out within a few miles of the starting gate Saturday, victims of technical glitches, barbed-wire fences and rugged terrain.
None could claim the $US1 million prize offered by a military agency seeking to develop autonomous vehicles that could be used in combat.
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency spent $US13 million on the Grand Challenge. It estimates competitors laid out a total of four to five times that amount developing their entries, which rely on global positioning satellites as well as a variety of sensors, lasers, radar and cameras to orient themselves and detect and avoid obstacles.
Most of the vehicles Saturday made it less than a mile before stalling, overturning or running off course. One six-wheeled robot built by a Louisiana team was disqualified after it became entangled in barbed wire. Others crashed seconds after starting.
The Pentagon's research and development agency would have awarded $US1 million to the first team whose microcircuit-studded vehicle could cover the course in less than 10 hours
The race was over in about four hours after the final competitors were disabled.
One competitor said the goal wasn't necessarily to complete the race.
"From my opinion, it's always been a question of how far you can get," said Palos Verdes High School sophomore Kevin Webb, 16.
Their entry, a modified Acura SUV, hit a barrier shortly after crossing the starting line.
Pat Hines - 15 Mar 2004 09:36 GMT > http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8970473%5E26317%5E%5Enbv%5E15306 -15321,00.html > > Robot car race ends in tears There are a lot of things you could post that actually have meaning, this one doesn't.
TyBreaker - 15 Mar 2004 09:49 GMT > There are a lot of things you could post that actually have meaning, > this one doesn't. Oh I dunno, it is related to offroad vehicles. I mean, there was no way the new mechanised army of military soldiers would be converted Ford station wagons. Imagine the oncoming enemy army eventally arriving at Washington DC where they are met with an army of Ford station wagons who had all stopped where the bitumen ended.
Hans Niesen-Bumpsadesi - 15 Mar 2004 10:18 GMT >> http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8970473%5E26317%5E%5Enbv%5E15306 -15321,00.html >> >> Robot car race ends in tears > > There are a lot of things you could post that actually have meaning, > this one doesn't. Lighten up for goodness' sake! I found it amusing & relevant, I'm sure others did also. We're aussies, laughing at the yanks is a national pastime! All those in favour, hit 'reply group' now!
Morton Davis - 15 Mar 2004 12:40 GMT > >> http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8970473%5E26317%5E%5Enbv%5E1 5306-15321,00.html
> >> Robot car race ends in tears > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > We're aussies, laughing at the yanks is a national pastime! > All those in favour, hit 'reply group' now! <plonk> Was it good for you? I enjoyed it.
-*MORT*-
Tony Smith - 15 Mar 2004 13:12 GMT > > Lighten up for goodness' sake! > > I found it amusing & relevant, I'm sure others did also. > > We're aussies, laughing at the yanks is a national pastime! > > All those in favour, hit 'reply group' now! And we are not th eonly ones to find it funny..... Brit on-line IT news spot "The register" DARPA's Grand Challenge proves to be too grand By Ashlee Vance in Chicago Posted: 13/03/2004 at 23:14 GMT The $1 million Grand Challenge ended with a dull thud on Saturday as not one robot vehicle came close to completing the 142 mile course in the Mojave Desert.
Seven miles was the best any team could muster with both the Red Team out of Carnegie Mellon University and SciAutonics II out of Thousand Oaks, California reaching that distance. Most of the 15 teams in the field failed to go more than a few hundred yards. All in all, it was a pretty humbling display for unmanned robot vehicle technology.
Some teams ran into obstacles. Others had equipment such as brakes or navigation systems break down. And two qualifying teams declined to even compete. In total, only seven vehicles managed to travel at least one mile.
DARPA had been looking for a team to traverse the 142 mile course in under ten hours to pick up the $1 million prize.
It's hard to say that the millions upon millions of dollars put into the Grand Challenge went to waste. The government will have first pick of the technology it considers promising, and the event brought a lot of attention to the robotics field. Still, the reality of the event did not come close to meeting the hype surrounding it.
As far back as October of last year, several teams boasted that their vehicles had passed early tests. The Red Team even posted videos of its dazzling custom Hummer besting desert terrain.
In addition, DARPA did everything it could to help out the contestants. The 142 mile course was much shorter than original proposals stretching to 250 miles. The vehicles were also sent off in a time-trial format instead of all taking off at the same time as first planned.
In the end, however, the results were at the low end of expectations. Few thought any vehicle would actually complete the race, but many observers predicted that the Red Team and others would come close.
DARPA plans to hold the event again in 18 to 24 months, dangling the $1 million prize to winners one more time.
In the meantime, a second $1 million challenge independent of government watch has been set up for September
Tony Smith
Jim - 16 Mar 2004 04:04 GMT And I thought robot heads were just nerds ! Obviously there's another Bill Gates out there somewhere. $1 mil US is worth a lot of disappointments I guess.
> > > Lighten up for goodness' sake! > > > I found it amusing & relevant, I'm sure others did also. [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Tony Smith Anath - 16 Mar 2004 11:02 GMT > And I thought robot heads were just nerds ! Obviously there's another Bill > Gates out there somewhere. $1 mil US is worth a lot of disappointments I > guess. I wonder how well a BJ40 landcruiser in L2 with a brick on the accelerator pedal & a point in the right direction would have gone ;)
Hans Niesen-Bumpsadesi - 15 Mar 2004 10:25 GMT >> http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8970473%5E26317%5E%5Enbv%5E15306 -15321,00.html >> >> Robot car race ends in tears > > There are a lot of things you could post that actually have meaning, > this one doesn't. Webzpider - 18 Mar 2004 14:33 GMT > http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8970473%5E26317%5E%5Enbv%5E15306 -15321,00.html > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Their entry, a modified Acura SUV, hit a barrier shortly after crossing the > starting line. Heheheh, all it takes to stop Merkin technology is to send out a company of meter maids with wooden legs.
Webzpider
"Nevah argue wif an idiot - he'll jest drag yo' down to his level an' beatcha wif his superio' experience."
Ooopsss, ah jest did! Fry mah hide!! Fry mah hide!
Peter McMullen - 19 Mar 2004 00:18 GMT >>http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8970473%5E26317%5E%5Enbv%5E15306 -15321,00.html >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Heheheh, all it takes to stop Merkin technology is to send out a company > of meter maids with wooden legs. Too bad you did not tell that to Saddam a year ago. I'm sure that would have made a *big* difference. By the way, whose technology do you knuckleheads think you use to post your nonsense?
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:-) Webzpider - 19 Mar 2004 01:04 GMT > >>http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8970473%5E26317%5E%5Enbv%5E15306 -15321,00.html > >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > technology do you knuckleheads think you use to post your > nonsense? Dear drooling NRA Goof, the Vietnamese peasants also used Merkin guns when they filled your sweet arses with led. See the resemblance? Oh well..............
> "At this time, Google policy does not permit the > advertisement of websites that contain 'firearms and > ammunition'." There's at least one civilized company in Merkinland.
Webzpider
"Nevah argue wif an idiot - he'll jest drag yo' down to his level an' beatcha wif his superio' experience."
Ooopsss, ah jest did! Fry mah hide!! Fry mah hide!
Peter McMullen - 19 Mar 2004 03:15 GMT >>>>http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8970473%5E26317%5E%5Enbv%5E15306 -15321,00.html >>>> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Dear drooling NRA Goof, the Vietnamese peasants also used > Merkin guns Lame attempt to dodge the question, but in any case, American technology must have its merits after all. Thank you for making my point.
when they filled your sweet arses with led.
> See the resemblance? Oh well.............. Vietnam was a failure of political leadership, not of technology or military capability. Next time you want to actually *know* who filled whom with lead (as opposed to "led"), research VC and NVA casualties in TET '68
>>"At this time, Google policy does not permit the >>advertisement of websites that contain 'firearms and >>ammunition'." > > There's at least one civilized company in Merkinland. More cognitive flatulence
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:-) Evil Noodle - 19 Mar 2004 08:59 GMT >>>>http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8970473%5E26317%5E%5Enbv%5E15306 -15321,00.html > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > Vietnam was a failure of political leadership, not of > technology or military capability. So nothing to do with the laughably inept US military strategy? I can't really blame you for wanting to dodge that issue.
> Next time you want to > actually *know* who filled whom with lead (as opposed to > "led"), research VC and NVA casualties in TET '68 Please don't tell me you actually consider over inflated body count figures of the time, as an accurate historical representation of the facts? Next you'll be claiming Vietnam as a US victory.
> >>"At this time, Google policy does not permit the > >>advertisement of websites that contain 'firearms and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > More cognitive flatulence Peter McMullen - 19 Mar 2004 23:50 GMT >>>>>http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8970473%5E26317%5E%5Enbv > [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > figures of the time, as an accurate historical representation of the facts? > Next you'll be claiming Vietnam as a US victory. Think again sparky... By Hanoi's own admission in 1995, the NVA & VC lost 1.1 million combat dead. They deliberately suppressed the information during the war because they were afraid it would demoralize their population. The U.S. military had previously estimated 750,000 enemy combat casualties. The combat casualty statistics were *underestimated*.
http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/V/Vietnam-War.htm
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:-) Morton Davis - 20 Mar 2004 00:44 GMT >>>>>http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8970473%5E26317%5E%5Enbv > > [quoted text clipped - 126 lines] > > :-) Ack - 20 Mar 2004 01:31 GMT >>>>>>http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8970473%5E26317%5E%5Enb > [quoted text clipped - 145 lines] >> >>:-) Boycott redneck merkins.
Gregory Procter - 20 Mar 2004 01:54 GMT > >>>>>>http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8970473%5E26317%5E%5Enb > > [quoted text clipped - 147 lines] > > > Boycott redneck merkins. I'm pretty sure that I've never actually bought one, ever!
Ack - 20 Mar 2004 01:52 GMT >>>>>>>>http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,8970473%5E26317%5E%5Enb >>> [quoted text clipped - 149 lines] > > I'm pretty sure that I've never actually bought one, ever! I'm pretty sure that Mort Davis and Peter McMullens have never bought a Google ever.
Morton Davis - 20 Mar 2004 00:45 GMT > > Please don't tell me you actually consider over inflated body count > > figures of the time, as an accurate historical representation of the facts? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > casualties. The combat casualty statistics were > *underestimated*. The truth won't help fucktards like "Evil", so the continue to spout their big lies in hopes no one will notice they smell of sh.t.
-*MORT*-
Peter McMullen - 20 Mar 2004 01:09 GMT >>>Please don't tell me you actually consider over inflated body count >>>figures of the time, as an accurate historical representation of the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The truth won't help fucktards like "Evil", so the continue to spout their > big lies in hopes no one will notice they smell of sh.t. I understand your point, believe me. My post was mostly for the benefit of those who might be lurking and mis-informed. ;-)
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:-) Ack - 20 Mar 2004 01:31 GMT >>>Please don't tell me you actually consider over inflated body count >>>figures of the time, as an accurate historical representation of the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -*MORT*- Boycott swamp-dwelling dickfaces like Mort.
nick - 20 Mar 2004 11:09 GMT "Morton Davis" <oglethorpe@oglethorpe.com> wrote in message
> > Think again sparky... By Hanoi's own admission in 1995, the > > NVA & VC lost 1.1 million combat dead. They deliberately [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The truth won't help fucktards like "Evil", so the continue to spout their > big lies in hopes no one will notice they smell of sh.t. The truth?
The truth is you lot lost, the North Vietnamese ended up with the whole country, and you ended up with a humiliating loss.
Evil Noodle - 20 Mar 2004 13:54 GMT > > > Please don't tell me you actually consider over inflated body count > > > figures of the time, as an accurate historical representation of the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > -*MORT*- Sad little MORK, unable to string a coherent argument together so resorts to insults, is it a peculiar American trait to gloat over the number of corpses your military can produce? Does it make you feel more of a man to share vicariously in the slaughter of others while desperately trying to feel you're part of something?
nick - 20 Mar 2004 14:03 GMT > > > > Please don't tell me you actually consider over inflated body count > > > > figures of the time, as an accurate historical representation of the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > slaughter of others while desperately trying to feel you're part of > something? Mort will now recount stories of when he was in "nam" and how they sorted gooks out, but oddly forget to mention how the US was kicked out by the commies.
Evil Noodle - 20 Mar 2004 15:39 GMT > > > > > Please don't tell me you actually consider over inflated body count > > > > > figures of the time, as an accurate historical representation of the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > they sorted gooks out, but oddly forget to mention how the US was > kicked out by the commies. Mort was in Nam? can we translate that to REMF clerk in Saigon, or is it another delusional fantasy from watching "Platoon?"
nick - 20 Mar 2004 18:54 GMT "Evil Noodle" <evil.noodle@@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > > Sad little MORK, unable to string a coherent argument together so > > > resorts to insults, is it a peculiar American trait to gloat over the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Mort was in Nam? can we translate that to REMF clerk in Saigon, > or is it another delusional fantasy from watching "Platoon?" All Americans claim to have served in "nam", they use it as an excuse for their fragile mental condition...
nick - 19 Mar 2004 10:20 GMT "Peter McMullen" <pmcmulle@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> > Dear drooling NRA Goof, the Vietnamese peasants also used > > Merkin guns > > Lame attempt to dodge the question, but in any case, > American technology must have its merits after all. Thank > you for making my point. Would this be about the computer invented by the British?
> when they filled your sweet arses with led. > > See the resemblance? Oh well.............. > > Vietnam was a failure of political leadership, not of > technology or military capability. Your hapless army got kicked out by a bunch of pyjama clad peasants with pointy sticks, the ultimate military humiliation.
I love the way you gunloons *still* pretend you didn't lose the Vietnam war...
Peter McMullen - 20 Mar 2004 02:26 GMT > "Peter McMullen" <pmcmulle@san.rr.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Would this be about the computer invented by the British? The first computer was built by the Ancient Greeks:
http://www.giant.net.au/users/rupert/kythera/kythera5.htm
The first digital computer was built in 1940 at Bell Labs when George Stibitz built and demonstrated the Complex Number Calculator.
http://www.kerryr.net/pioneers/stibitz.htm
The British Colossus was not designed by Turing until 1941
You log onto the Internet using a Babbage analytical engine do you? Who do you think developed all the TCPIP protocols that gets your posts from point a to point b; the ethernet, the LAN/WAN backbone physical and link layer technology, the system and network operating systems, the microprocessors, random access memory, the video interfaces, the router and switch technology, the PC, the MAC, the server, the integrated circuit, the transistor, the mouse, the GUI, the disk drive, the communication satellite, Cobol, Fortran, Basic, C Language, the Internet itself, the world wide web, the browser, SQL, most of the applications, ad nauseum. Guess who dominates the IT market...
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:-) nick - 20 Mar 2004 11:06 GMT "Peter McMullen" <pmcmulle@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> >>Lame attempt to dodge the question, but in any case, > >>American technology must have its merits after all. Thank [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > when George Stibitz built and demonstrated the Complex > Number Calculator. Forget about adding machines.
"The first fully functioning electronic digital computer was Colossus (1943), used by the Bletchley Park cryptanalysts from 1944"
"The first fully functioning electronic digital computer to be built in the U.S. was ENIAC" "Completed in 1945"
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/computing-history/#Col
Webzpider - 20 Mar 2004 21:23 GMT > > "Peter McMullen" <pmcmulle@san.rr.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > the browser, SQL, most of the applications, ad nauseum. > Guess who dominates the IT market... Those silly yanks are always trying to take the credit for someone else's invention.
The mouse and the computer colour graphics has been invented by the Swede Hakan Lantz, and I'm convinced a lot of the other items are also invented by people outside yankland. http://www.gpc.se/founder/
Just because a yank got a patent valid in yankland they don't care if someone else has done the invention and patented it in other countries decades ago.
The next time those morons will claim they invented the telephone and the airplane.
> "At this time, Google policy does not permit the > advertisement of websites that contain 'firearms and > ammunition'." KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK GOOGLE.
Webzpider
"Nevah argue wif an idiot - he'll jest drag yo' down to his level an' beatcha wif his superio' experience."
Ooopsss, ah jest did! Fry mah hide!! Fry mah hide!
pragmatist - 20 Mar 2004 23:10 GMT <<<<<<<<<<<<<<Snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> I love the way you gunloons *still* pretend you didn't lose the Vietnam > war... Kind of interesting that you 'anti-gun loons` bring this up. It bears on the reason for the second ammendment and the tenacity with which we 'pro-gun loons` hold to its principle. The Vietnamese showed the western superpower, and the Afghanis, the eastern superpower, that an armed and determined populace can resist a government of which it does not approve. That is the true reason why the sheep must now be convinced that 'Guns are bad for you kiddies! You might hurt yourselves. You must give them up.` It's the kleptocracy talking, and you guys buy into it. If I was one of the 5% that holds more than 90% of the wealth I'd be a gun-grabber too. 'Think of the children!` - Yeah, right, they exploit child labor world wide and they're thinking of the children. Peaceful protests, even massive ones, can be laughed off unless there is a real chance that they will develope into something serious if the problem isn't rectified. Ref.: The NAFTA meetings in Paris and Madrid - how much heed did they pay to the opinions of the general public?
Pragmatist I'm trying to see it from your point of view, - but I'm not flexible enough to get my head up my butt.
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