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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / 4x4 Cars (Australian group) / April 2004

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Better offroad tires for Grand Vitara?

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Geoff Green - 19 Apr 2004 11:18 GMT
G'day,

I'm looking for something a little more capable than the stock 235/60R16
Bridgestone H/T's on a Grand Vitara.

I got all excited when I saw a few people saying that 225/70/16 BFG All
Terrains would fit under the wheel arches, and give a handy bit of extra
clearance too.

But a look at Queensland Transport's site seems to reckon that you can't
increase the overall diameter of tire by more than 15mm over the stock
tires. Is that right, or am I misreading it? Sounds like a great reason
for an insurer to deny a claim.

So is there a decent all terrain tire I can use on the 16 inch rims? I
can't find a BFG or Coopers that will fall inside the 15mm difference. A
tire guy suggested a Bridgestone Dueler A/T D693 235/60/16, but the
reviews don't impress me much.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Geoff...
Burnie M - 19 Apr 2004 11:48 GMT
Same in NSW but nobody checks
Running 225/70 BFG AT on my GV

>G'day,
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>Thanks,
>Geoff...
Biggus - 19 Apr 2004 13:06 GMT
If you go oversized, against the rules, you will void your insurance
if you crash and the assessor is a prick. Not good if its $20k damage
Biggus - 19 Apr 2004 14:26 GMT
let me rephrase that, if you go over the guidelines setout by the
Roads people then your f.cked with insurance

>If you go oversized, against the rules, you will void your insurance
>if you crash and the assessor is a prick. Not good if its $20k damage
Burnie M - 19 Apr 2004 22:50 GMT
My tyres are noted on my insurance.
Yes, without an engineers certificate my vehicle is unroadworthy
because of the tyres.
My solicitor says no problems as the are specifically mentioned on the
policy

>let me rephrase that, if you go over the guidelines setout by the
>Roads people then your f.cked with insurance
>
>>If you go oversized, against the rules, you will void your insurance
>>if you crash and the assessor is a prick. Not good if its $20k damage
Biggus - 20 Apr 2004 00:46 GMT
Who do you think would win in court? Your car is unroadworthy..
Insurance company has billions of $$ to play with..

So, why not get it engineered?

>My solicitor says no problems as the are specifically mentioned on the policy
Kevcat - 20 Apr 2004 08:35 GMT
was a time in QLD (about 6 years ago) when you could run any size tyre
on your 4WD as long as you could cover them with flexible flares
they specifically mentioned Subarus as having stronger axle assembly and
therefore you could fit larger tyres

not sure when they changed

Kev

> Who do you think would win in court? Your car is unroadworthy..
> Insurance company has billions of $$ to play with..
>
> So, why not get it engineered?
>
> >My solicitor says no problems as the are specifically mentioned on the policy
Geoff Green - 20 Apr 2004 09:36 GMT
> Who do you think would win in court? Your car is unroadworthy..
> Insurance company has billions of $$ to play with..
>
> So, why not get it engineered?

My thoughts exactly, just because they note a modification (eg more
expensive stereo) doesn't remove your reponsibility to keep the vehicle
roadworthy. If I was going to the hassle of getting it engineered, I
would probably go for a lift at the same time and get some *real* rubber
under there :-)
Trentus - 20 Apr 2004 06:02 GMT
> G'day,
>
> I'm looking for something a little more capable than the stock 235/60R16
> Bridgestone H/T's on a Grand Vitara.
<snip>
> A tire guy suggested a Bridgestone Dueler A/T D693 235/60/16, but the
> reviews don't impress me much.

I run 693's on my Suzuki Sierra, they have the same problem that you can't
buy a "true" 4WD tyre for them.
But I haven't been able to fault the 693's.
I drive in a 4WD club, and apart from one sand hill, I've gotten them up and
over and through everything the other drivers have managed.
In fact, one huge mud bog hole, I got through where a LR Discovery didn't
(and he tried twice).
I've found them a great tyre so far, not to say they won't be changed for
BFG Muddies, or the like as soon as I've lifted and airlocked her (and had
her engineered etc)

If you aren't always off-road, then you'll likely find them a good
compromise.

Trentus
Geoff Green - 20 Apr 2004 09:32 GMT
> I run 693's on my Suzuki Sierra, they have the same problem that you can't
> buy a "true" 4WD tyre for them.
> But I haven't been able to fault the 693's.

I'm probably going to give the Dueler A/T 694's a go (called Revo in the
US). They've got much better reviews, and seem to be around the same
price (250 fitted at bridgestone, I guess I can get better at one of the
smaller guys).
 
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