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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / 4x4 Cars (Australian group) / February 2005Saharas
G'day all. My search for a 4wd continues. I have found a 1986 turbo diesel LC Sahara in SEQ for $7k. I don't know anything about Toyota 4wds, having never owned one, so can anyone tell me if there's anything that I should look out for with these cars? Common faults, failures, areas prone to rust etc? It sounds like a great car, despite the fact I swore I'd never own a 4wd full of electrical sh.t like power windows etc. But it's an 8 seater with air cond, bullbar, snorkel, lifetd a few inches, Hayman reece towbar, and has everything else that the Barnsey family needs in a 4wd. The car I'm looking at has 330,000ks, rebuilt turbo, main seals and bearings done recently and a few other things I cant remember at the moment. TIA Barnsey Didn't they have issues with rust in the gutters if the roof...or do I have it wrong? Muddy Yes they did Barnsey check real caerfully around the roof guttering for signs of rust or rust repairs also the "A" pillars and around the top of the wheel arches, especially if it has flares a rebuilt turbo and new bearings is good, still check for pressurising in the sump, oil blowing up into the breather gets into the intake and into the engine causing wear in the rings other than that the 60 series was pretty good the turbo diesel is a direct injection so is a bit noisier(sounds like a mack stuck idling) than the standard NA diesel Kev > Didn't they have issues with rust in the gutters if the roof...or do I have > it wrong? > > Muddy Check out the windscreen struts and just above the roof guttering, thats the worst spoys forrust........Al  SignatureQuasimodo ??. Hmm, that name rings a bell > G'day all. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Barnsey in any 60 series, FIRST THING TO LOOK FOR IS RUST.. Then Rust, then after that Rust.. If you find no rust, you will be looking at another car. > G'day all. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Barnsey Totally agree with other listers. I owned a HJ60 for 10 years(plain boring base model diesel). It went everywhere, including around Oz twice. Mechanical problems were very few indeed, and it wasn't well looked after. Yes it was a PITA on corros etc but only the rust killed it. And that was after 400+K. It started around the roof and quickly spread elsewhere. It had spent most of its life on the coast. I sold it and bought my biggest mistake, a 2.8 litre diesel Padj. Great around town, pathetic in the bush. No guts despite the turbo, ground clearance was NBG and it had a habit of trying to swim when crossing rivers. After a few trips away over 7 years my missus refused to come with me until I bought "something more substantial". (Didn't float as easily, didnt numb the bum etc). She's never complained about the 80 series. There are quite a few 60 series getting around here. In fact I wouldn't mind one to run around "town"in, but the rust problem is just too chronic. Cheers Jim Thanks for the replies. I'm a bit nervous now. I haven't seen the car yet, it's on the Sunshine Coast (I'm in Townsville). The seller tells me that there are 2 x10 cent coin size rust holes in the roof guttering, but he'll get them repaired with the RWC. Hmmmm.........Sunshime coast = Rainbow Beach = Frazer Is, etc.....which equals RUST.. Biggus, I think any 4wd 15-25 years old will have rust issues. I know my two Patrols did, despite looking immaculate from the outside. I know where to look for rust in Patrols now. In case anyone's wondering, (I've whinged at length about this) there's nothing but overpriced rubbish in Townsville, eg 88 Patrols with 400,000 ks for $15k, 90 Cruisers for $18k. Either that, or they're $4k and toatally cactus. I think what I might do is wait another month, save another few more grand and fly down to Brissy and spend a day or too at a mates place. I'll line up several cars to look at on the net, and I'll thouroughly inspect them, armed with a wad of cash to haggle with. There seems to be plenty of Patrols and Cruisers in Brissy for $5-10K that look all right. I wasn't sure about the Saharas anyway. I've just got rid of a Ford with electric everything, and I swore I'd never buy another car with unnecesary crap in it again. Do you buy the 4 x 4 magazine? Lots of stuff advertised with pics etc David > Thanks for the replies. I'm a bit nervous now. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > electric everything, and I swore I'd never buy another car with unnecesary > crap in it again. >The seller tells me that there are 2 x10 cent coin size rust holes in the >roof guttering, but he'll get them repaired with the RWC. RUN LIKE AN ETHIOPIAN WITH A KFC VOUCHER.... theres 1000's of cars out there forsale dude... just be paitent... look at the last heap of sh.t you wasted your bucks on... Just wait... > >The seller tells me that there are 2 x10 cent coin size rust holes in the >>roof guttering, but he'll get them repaired with the RWC. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > just be paitent... look at the last heap of sh.t you wasted your bucks > on... Just wait... But he's an OuterLimits4x4 member, He must be OK! Yeah, I'm thinking the same. Learnt my lesson from the 720 fiasco, but I really only wasted my TIME on that car, got my $$ back (almost). The selller wasn't a rip off merchant. Just a bit wierd. His idea of repairable rust was diferent to most peoples. The perils of trading on the net. Anyway, I'm not writing the Sahara off just yet. I'm planning a trip to Brisbane in the next few weeks. I'll try and line up several cars to inspect from the net etc but I'll check the Sahara out first. The seller tells me the rust is minimal, and I have no reason to assume he's lying. (yet) Infact, has anyone ever used RACQ/NRMA/RACV etc for pre-purchase inspections? Not sure how much that will cost me, but the mention of it to any seller might flush out any bullshit they're not telling me. It might save a lot of grief too. yeah I used NRMA through the RACQ for my 100 series, cost for someone to check it out was over $100 for members and about $50 more for non members, you really don't want to be using that service too often though you could ask the seller if it's ok for RACQ to check it out, see what they say Kev > > >The seller tells me that there are 2 x10 cent coin size rust holes in the > >>roof guttering, but he'll get them repaired with the RWC. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > might flush out any bullshit they're not telling me. It might save a lot of > grief too. RACQ check is VERY intense and they should find everything thats wrong with it. If you are still keen get in tested BEFORE the RWC as they will able to tell to what extent the rust has spread to some degree. RACQ reports Ive had done have uncovered low compressions, hidden rust and dodgy suspention componants. Worth a look if you have any suspicions. ASk your seller if he is prepared to get the test done by RACQ and if you buy you will pay for the test then not before. That way you will tell if hes honest John or Rip off Freddy. >> >The seller tells me that there are 2 x10 cent coin size rust holes in >> >the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > might flush out any bullshit they're not telling me. It might save a lot > of grief too. The $100 you waste on an NRMA/RACV etc inspection that finds the vehicle is a heapa sh.t is the best $100 you ever wasted David for sure just go check out and choose the vehicle you think is best then have the RACQ(seeing how Barnsey is in QLD) check it out before you pay anything then if it turns out to be crap then you saved a whole lot more Kev > The $100 you waste on an NRMA/RACV etc inspection that finds the vehicle is a > heapa sh.t is the best $100 you ever wasted > > David ...and when they find something wrong the dealer/seller may be prepared to fix it at their cost - eg an alternator with noisy/on-the-way-out bearings - would probably cost you more than $100 to have fixed David > for sure > just go check out and choose the vehicle you think is best [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > David Yes, wouldn't think of buying a vehicle without a NRMA inspection - those guys find stuff I would never think of looking for, and because they inspect so many vehicles they know the spots they need to give extra attention to. And of course get an NRMA inspection close to the end of the guarantee period, but while it is still in force. I am not sure of the current cost, but check the web site (IIRC last time I paid it was about $100 - back around 93 or so) David > Infact, has anyone ever used RACQ/NRMA/RACV etc for pre-purchase > inspections? > Not sure how much that will cost me, but the mention of it to any seller > might flush out any bullshit they're not telling me. It might save a lot of > grief too. Doesnt that tell you anything? Them getting the rust fixed before the RWC, this in other words means that the rust that they bogged or had fixed previously is comming through again and they are prepared to bog it for the RWC before sellign to some shuch with a fist full of hard earned. Id agree with Barnsey here, come to Brissie for a long weeklend and haggle some dealers and private sellers, you could end up with a much better car for much less than the one yoru looking at. Apart from the long drive home (you could stick it on a train though.) I think that the trip would be well worth it and if you get one from a dealer the long drive home would be a great test ground for it. Id advise not to go to any Ex Govt dealers as most are either Ex Police camera cars or mining vehices which have been previously flooged and prettied up. > Thanks for the replies. I'm a bit nervous now. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > electric everything, and I swore I'd never buy another car with unnecesary > crap in it again. |
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