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Over two days, program available here: http://www.roadsafety.qld.gov.au/summit Listen in LIVE here, choose Chamber Audio: http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/view/chamber/ Topics to time index: Some items to come under discusson, from opening speaches by Premier and Transport Minister: * Radio frequency identification of motorbikes for speed enforcement. * Potential 120 hours for Learner candidates. * Fixed speed cameras PLUS signage of such enforcement. * Road environment, softening. * Vehicle confiscation for various offences, incl reckless. * Targetting modified vehicles. * Drug driving. * Double demerit point application. * And more. . . Crash victim statement at summit, his website: http://www.shemboy.com/ Prof Ian Johnston stating 99% of the folk breath tested, pass, no surprise here. Suggesting QLD move towards ignition alcohol interlock development, cites ongoing EU development, citing smart keys etc. Suspended driver's and the like look set to come under greater attention in penalties. Seatbelt enforcement. Non wearers represent 5% or so. Seeks ADR to further 'aggressive seatbelt' reminder system. Speeding behavioural change - will take a generation, based on the same methodology as drink drivings 'change of culture' over time. References sociopaths, the 'risk-takers', regardless of driving application subject. References lowest common denominator regulations - whilst engineering standards improve. He is critisizing the regulation/s. . . Continues, see the Agenda Pdf document and listen live.  SignatureMot Adv-NSW > Over two days, program available here: > http://www.roadsafety.qld.gov.au/summit "The attendees including road safety experts, stakeholders and community groups will look at research evidence and expert opinion to discuss and develop road safety initiatives that may further reduce the road toll." LOL Al SignatureI don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html >> Over two days, program available here: >> http://www.roadsafety.qld.gov.au/summit [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > LOL Better just giving a carton of beer to a bunch of aus.cars experts, who would just post a memo next day fixing everything by increasing all speed limits by 20kph. > Al Rainbow - you weren't driving a falcon wagon lately were you? SignatureMot Adv-NSW > Rainbow - you weren't driving a falcon wagon lately were you? > > Mot Adv-NSW No, prefer my 2.5 tonne child killer thanks. With bullbar? SignatureMot Adv-NSW Of course, an got the dents to prove I use it, 2nd bare, wrote the alloy one off, offroad. > With bullbar? > Better just giving a carton of beer to a bunch of aus.cars experts, who > would just post a memo next day fixing everything by increasing all speed > limits by 20kph. You're a bad man Wanbow. Al SignatureWhen schools of fish were studied, it was found that the leaders had brain damage. We, the public should therefore demand a similar study be carried out on our leaders. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html > Over two days, program available here: > http://www.roadsafety.qld.gov.au/summit I was one of the people who put in a submission to the Premiers Office. Got a letter signed by him yesterday, inviting me to the peanut gallery to watch. Would be as boring as bat sh.t, I'll await the out come. Apparently 200 of us sent in submissions :-) Ron Aww Al you cynic you lol. Ron - Everbody gets those letters as you know, even other Minsiters. . . SignatureMot Adv-NSW Prof Ian Johnston wishes to have greater speed limit reality, suggests 130km/h for high-standard motorway, but lower limits for some rural roads (than 100km/h) and 'rural default' reduction. Basically, improved speed management. Desires a Joan Claybrook speedometer, (basically say a 140km/h max). Continues. . . SignatureMot Adv-NSW > Prof Ian Johnston wishes to have greater speed limit reality, suggests > 130km/h for high-standard motorway, Oh lord. Most seem unable to reach a blistering 110. >>Prof Ian Johnston wishes to have greater speed limit reality, suggests >>130km/h for high-standard motorway, > > Oh lord. Most seem unable to reach a blistering 110. The govt has spent years convinving them that driving over 100 is life guaranteed to get you killed. SignatureBen Thomas, Melbourne, Australia "Red Bull tastes like canned carbonated concentrated evil." > Oh lord. Most seem unable to reach a blistering 110. Some of us have no trouble getting there at all, but find a happy medium between acceptable fuel economy and avoiding delaying trucks. If I drove at 130 km/h, I'd need to come out of retirement to pay for the fuel. John >> Oh lord. Most seem unable to reach a blistering 110. >Some of us have no trouble getting there at all, but find a >happy medium between acceptable fuel economy and avoiding >delaying trucks. >If I drove at 130 km/h, I'd need to come out of retirement to >pay for the fuel. That's in part to do with the cars but also LARGELY due to the abysmal road surfaces in Australia. It's more economical to drive at 130 km/h on a German Autobahn than 90 km/h on most Australian highways; and most motor/freeways. In a modern car, rolling resistance is still very significant at 130 km/h; especially if the surface is rough/undulating. Signature/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | "Laws do not persuade just because X against HTML mail | they threaten." / \ and postings | Lucius Annaeus Seneca, c. 4BC - 65AD. > Prof Ian Johnston wishes to have greater speed limit reality, suggests > 130km/h for high-standard motorway, but lower limits for some rural > roads (than 100km/h) and 'rural default' reduction. There it is, the "90" push. Which of course matches or betters the IQ of the pushers - around and hanging on since metrification in spite of the reality, incredibly through several generations of arseholes in bureaucracy. > Basically, improved speed management. > > Desires a Joan Claybrook speedometer, (basically say a 140km/h max). > > Continues. . . By the way this 'conference' is nothing but a decoy/excuse to get the permanent speed cameras up. The planning has been done. The testing has been done. The revenue windfall has been calculated. The infrastructure, save the poles with the mongrel things attached, has been set up. And that's the only appreciable change that'll result form the conference. Oh, there'll be a few wheezes there about habitual offenders, whatever the f.ck they are... And there'll be all sorts of punitive manoeuvres from GovCo - but *only* those that'll increase revenue. (Yes, even ripping licences off citz WILL increase revenue) Listening to the 'news' (for want of a better word) I hear all this utter and complete crap about getting people with high offence counts off the road. I hear absolutely noting about the driving hours of the offenders. Nothing at all. And that PROVES the fraud of it all. FFS, is someone who gets nailed stupid arbitrary speed offences every Saturday night, and who *only* drives on Saturdays and Sundays - a worse menace to society than someone who spends 12 hours a day on the road every day?? Course not. And failure to consider that in the legislation so far and the legislation to come, like I said, PROVES the GovCo fraud. Pity defective hospitals kill more people than the roads. It really is. Because if the reverse were true, we could argue for better roads, and be heard. Besides, better roads won't stop Beattie losing the next election. In fact, a better road - a duplication of the Bne Gold Coast road, actually lost office for the Goss GovCo. (Well ignore the main roads white-anting as to where it was to be built for the moment) Stopping the wailing about the health system might. A Point of interest. The ingrates (and I'm using that term quite precisely) in the justice system are supposed to consider the matter of exposure time to offences against stupid arbitrary limits of all types. They don't. The generally claim they shouldn't need to in finding according to the defective legislation. And should be hung out to dry for that intransigence. Amongst other things, of course. A Qld driver so victimized would need to be at appeal in the supreme court to have that matter considered. Of course he'd be bust by then, because for some quaint and extremely unjust reason, driving jobbies pay f.ck all. What FUN this all is... SignatureToby. "No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine." - William Blum as an adjunct to testing around here ,( I know more about this than I can divulge) after someone sawing down and smashing the camera several times the decision was made to test elsewhere , this is the only successful method when trying to stop such revenue collection. >Prof Ian Johnston wishes to have greater speed limit reality, suggests >130km/h for high-standard motorway, but lower limits for some rural >roads (than 100km/h) and 'rural default' reduction. >Basically, improved speed management. >Desires a Joan Claybrook speedometer, (basically say a 140km/h max). Fails ADR. Car can't be used in NT Signature/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | "Laws do not persuade just because X against HTML mail | they threaten." / \ and postings | Lucius Annaeus Seneca, c. 4BC - 65AD. >>Prof Ian Johnston wishes to have greater speed limit reality, suggests >>130km/h for high-standard motorway, but lower limits for some rural [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Fails ADR. Car can't be used in NT Believe it or not there are many vehicles driving around that do have speedo's with even 120kph top speeds, then unless your car has an infinite speedo then it fails that ADR and can't be used in NT because they have infinite limits? > Aww Al you cynic you lol. > > Ron - Everbody gets those letters as you know, even other Minsiters. . Ah! but I'm not a "Minsiter", I just wrote a letter: "I have been watching the events of other States in regard to "gut reactions" against road carnage. You may have noticed that heavy fines and demerit points did not work. Doing the same in this state will also not work, however it will increase your state revenue, more so. Police presence on the road is a very important factor, not speed camera's but highway patrol cars. Theses have always been a good deterrent and always will. I no longer drive on any main highway during holiday seasons as it is too dangerous. The amount of idiots on the road is horrific. Fast drivers are not the problem, inconsistent speed, weavers and tailgaters are the bane of all drivers on the road. I do have a few suggestions other than a greater Police presence. There needs to be a big change of penalties, and not the way your are thinking. A motor vehicle license is a privilege, and should be looked on as so. A large deterrent would be loss of license should also occur in accidents where a driver caused the accident through stupidity. Along with that, ANYONE who loses their license should RESIT the whole license test procedure! That alone would curtail many of the idiots. Renewing a lost license could focus on the reason that person lost it in the first place. All it would take is a little more info in the database. DUI would have to show they have completed a course in alcohol management. Dangerous drivers a special driving management course, etc. ALL at their own cost. Remember, they lost it, so they would also try hard to get it back. Impounding vehicles should also be used more often, with the driver showing cause why he should get it back! I.e. Wife needs it to drive kids, etc.. A vehicle is a potential weapon, firearms are confiscated, why not motor vehicles? If you look along those lines, it would be a far greater risk for the "Idiot on the road, and they may think twice. The next thing is a far greater penalty for unlicensed driving, fines along with mandatory community service, repeat offenders goal or prison farms. P plates should be reintroduced along with restrictions on speed and hours of operation, I.e. Late night early mornings taboo. All L platers should do a defensive driving course. I put one of my Daughters through one as I felt she was too irresponsible on the road and an accident waiting to happen. The course worked, she has a far greater appreciation for road manner and other vehicles around her, particular trucks. So far none of my three kids have had a road accident, although one did lose her license from loss of points (speeding). I asked her what she would do if she had to re-sit her license, the reply was "Slow down, I'd hate to have to do that again"! BTW my kids are now 27 down to 22. Ask your own similar questions and you maybe surprised, it would be a big deterrent!" >> Aww Al you cynic you lol. >> [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > big > deterrent!" 'Jackboot Ronnie' seems to work.... SignatureToby. quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > 'Jackboot Ronnie' seems to work.... WTF is wrong with you ponce ? apart from rampant paranoia While looking around on Qld Transport site happened upon this Rider Survivor Motorcycle riders can have their say on road safety issues at two Rider Survivor Days brought to you by Queensland Transport, CARRS-Q (Centre for Accident Research & Road Safety - Queensland) and Queensland Police Service. The aim of these days is to increase the awareness of the road safety issues associated with motorcycle riding in the area. Riders are encouraged to come for a ride and have their say on motorcycle safety in an informal environment while enjoying a FREE sausage sizzle. Locations a.. Corner of Pine St and Finch Rd, Canungra, Sunday 5 March 2006 - from 8am a.. Camp Constable, Mt Glorious Rd, Mt Glorious, Sunday 26 March 2006 - from 8am. SignatureRegards Susan Stubbs stubbinsky@optusnet.com.au mini_monster@optusnet.com.au > While looking around on Qld Transport site happened upon this > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > a.. Camp Constable, Mt Glorious Rd, Mt Glorious, Sunday 26 March 2006 - from > 8am. Don't know about the Canungra effort... But on that day the GovCo sponsored nice warm feeling extended to the positioning of one Radar equipped car on the Northbrook parkway - in the usual place - and one motorcycle patrol jerk principally occupied with nailing cycle riders for double-line infringements. That location was one in which there is a clear view of the road for hundreds of metres and the double lines are there just because the imbeciles painting them on the road were 'just following orders' to paint the entire stretch with double lines. Of course we all know the solution to both these sections of road and their attendant high incident rate is to hormone test all riders and drivers using the road and ban/lock up/force to go directly home with partially deflated tyres, any of them with testosterone levels notionally above 'whimp' level. SignatureToby. quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > Don't know about the Canungra effort... > But on that day the GovCo sponsored nice warm feeling extended to the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > partially deflated tyres, any of them with testosterone levels > notionally above 'whimp' level. They should rename the Northbrook Parkway the Northbrook Raceway. The engineers who designed that road get full marks from me. It is without doubt the finest road racing circuit in Queensland. If you are a resident of Mt Glorious (like I was for many years) you see the other side of it however. Without fail almost every week-end an ambo or rescue helicopter is dispatched to pick up dead/dying/mangled bike apes. The engine noise of bikes being wound out in the village all day is apalling. I have lost count of the number of times I had to take evasive action to avoid hitting idiots who were on a large lean with their heads in my side of the road. I fully support the police working overtime on that road, the more bike apes they catch there the better. Bike riders have ruined the peace of the place on the week-ends for everyone else. f.ck them. >> 'Jackboot Ronnie' seems to work.... > > WTF is wrong with you ponce ? > apart from rampant paranoia I read his post. Nothing wrong with that. SignatureToby. Paranoia is the price of eternal vigilance. http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?p=555354#post555354 SignatureMot Adv-NSW >>> 'Jackboot Ronnie' seems to work.... >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I read his post. > Nothing wrong with that. Avoidance noted. > 'Jackboot Ronnie' seems to work.... Not really, the deterant is not there, the Judges and Courts of Law are weak, serious offenders are the problem and they won't stop. I thinks a few "Confiscation" powers of vwhicles, etc, will come from it. As I said, speed is not the problem, attitude and road manners are! Surely you have nothing to worry about, Toby, you being a law abiding citizen :-) Ron >> 'Jackboot Ronnie' seems to work.... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Surely you have nothing to worry about, Toby, you being a law abiding > citizen :-) That's the whole fucken point, ain't it?? These imbeciles are in there effectively sitting in judgement because in the end they have the power to "legislate" situations which find you and I guilty at law with absolutely no presumption of innocence. The assumption they operate with is that of original sin. Yup - we ALL go out the drive with the express intention of killing someone, or causing wilful damage to <gasp> property, so we must all pay the penalty for transgression of some law or other designed to penalize only those that really Do Go Out To Kill Or Damage something or other. Bloody irksome. And against any and all the stuff 'The Law' is supposed to stand for. So it's more than irksome, I suppose, it's an irksome Scam. SignatureToby. quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur >>> 'Jackboot Ronnie' seems to work.... >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > in the end they have the power to "legislate" situations which find > you and I guilty at law with absolutely no presumption of innocence. No, not unless you break the law! > The assumption they operate with is that of original sin. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > penalize only those that really Do Go Out To Kill Or Damage something > or other. I don't know about you, but I certainly don't. I go out wondering what sort of fuckwit, I'll have to, brake hard, serve to avoid and shake my head in amazement over how that got a license!! > > Bloody irksome. > And against any and all the stuff 'The Law' is supposed to stand for. > So it's more than irksome, I suppose, it's an irksome Scam. No it is protecting you from danger.. Or, have you never seen some one on the road who drives worse than you do ? >>>>'Jackboot Ronnie' seems to work.... >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > No, not unless you break the law! But if not enough people break the law Govco will change the law so they will catch more law breakers, I think this is what Toby meant by ""legislate" situations". Imagine the demise of the state's bottom line if we all started obeying the law:-) Daryl > Or, have you never seen some one on the road who drives worse than you > do ? We need these people to make us all feel much much better about our own shitty driving. Al SignatureWhen schools of fish were studied, it was found that the leaders had brain damage. We, the public should therefore demand a similar study be carried out on our leaders. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html As an interstate driver i an always amazed at the QLD motor vehicles conditions. Why dont you bring in yearly motor vehicle inspections as we do here in NSW.This way you would get rid of heaps of unroadworthy vehicles. Last time i was there i saw plenty of jacked up 4x4s with no guards and over sized wheels also a lot of vehicles with only one headlight or tail light.Also a lot of rust buckets just waiting to tear a pedestrian to pieces. Signatureamber.2 > As an interstate driver i an always amazed at the QLD motor vehicles > conditions. Why dont you bring in yearly motor vehicle inspections as [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > amber.2 That was in the 70's right? :) (snip) > > I do have a few suggestions other than a greater Police presence. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Remember, they lost it, so they would also try hard to get it back. > (snip) According to the Age (on-line) the driver in the case at Mildura had been charged eight times in the past with driving while disqualified - so how is taking his licence going to affect this sort of driver? JD > (snip) >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > so how is taking his licence going to affect this sort of driver? > JD Did you read the bit about repeat offenders having their car confiscated? > Did you read the bit about repeat offenders having their car confiscated? I've been here before. One comment. Jail, jail, jail, for repeat offenders. No ifs, no buts, it WOULD sink in eventually. <flick> SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ >> Did you read the bit about repeat offenders having their car confiscated? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No ifs, no buts, it WOULD sink in eventually. > <flick> How about increase the number of points for speeding, so that if you do it twice you lose your license? Loss of license would get the point across... if speeding is actually the great evil that the govt make it out to be. SignatureBen Thomas, Melbourne, Australia "Red Bull tastes like canned carbonated concentrated evil." >>> Did you read the bit about repeat offenders having their car >>> confiscated? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > across... if speeding is actually the great evil that the govt make it > out to be. No Ben (I said I don't want to go there.) The idiots who don't learn, drive *unlicensed*. Jail them! SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ >>> Did you read the bit about repeat offenders having their car >>> confiscated? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > across... if speeding is actually the great evil that the govt make it > out to be. Believe it or not, that is one thing the Qld Govt does NOT want to do :-) They know it doesn't work. Look at the other states that do that! Any difference? NO!! Ron In article <43fb7ffb$0$493$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- 03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, plonked@home.ru says... > > Did you read the bit about repeat offenders having their car confiscated? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No ifs, no buts, it WOULD sink in eventually. > <flick> Jail is not the cheapest option and you know what a cheapskate gov we have. Stealing like a pack of hoodlums then selling someones car at public auction might even raise money for our poverty stricken gov. hmmm.. do hoodlums come in a pack? Al SignatureWhen schools of fish were studied, it was found that the leaders had brain damage. We, the public should therefore demand a similar study be carried out on our leaders. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html > In article <43fb7ffb$0$493$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- > 03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, plonked@home.ru says... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > auction might even raise money for our poverty stricken gov. > hmmm.. do hoodlums come in a pack? Yeah Al, but when it seems to go:- Plod "May I see your license sir"? Magistrate "Fine, warning". Hood "Feck you". Plod "May I see your license sir"? Magistrate "Bigger fine, warning". Hood "Feck you". Plod "May I see your license sir"? Magistrate "Bigger fine, loss of license". Hood "Feck you". Plod "May I see your license sir"? Hood "Feck you, I aint got one". Magistrate "Bigger fine". Plod "FSFYFC's doing a F runner". Hood "Feck you, ha ha, they called it off". Your call Al. SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ In article <43fbc8ab$0$502$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- 03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, plonked@home.ru says... > Your call Al. I was more ribbeting on about the escalation of penalties. If vehicles were taken off repeat offenders for good, those vehicles no doubt would be sold and that money would go into revenue. I can't see how theft of someones vehicle for government funds can be justified. In the case of repeat high level drink drivers or repeat disqualified and other unlicenced drivers I'd say that the vehicle (if they own it) should be put in the crusher as they watch. They will charge a fee for impounded vehicles and I guess if you can't pay that fee then your vehicle would also be sold so why not put them in the crusher. Beattie reckons it's not about revenue so perhaps the speed cameras will only incur a points penalty. Your croak feral Al SignatureWhen schools of fish were studied, it was found that the leaders had brain damage. We, the public should therefore demand a similar study be carried out on our leaders. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html > I was more ribbeting on about the escalation of penalties. What do you think throwing them in jail is? Who cares what happens to the cars of these idiots. They can't drive the feckers in jail. SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ In article <43fd9c5e$0$508$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- 03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, plonked@home.ru says... > > I was more ribbeting on about the escalation of penalties. > > What do you think throwing them in jail is? Offender throwing? Al SignatureWhen schools of fish were studied, it was found that the leaders had brain damage. We, the public should therefore demand a similar study be carried out on our leaders. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html > In article <43fd9c5e$0$508$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- > 03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, plonked@home.ru says... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Offender throwing? If I grabbed him like a hammer thrower and tried real hard.... Nah, he's prolly built like a brick shithouse. Nah, the Lada's clutch'd be rooted. I reckon about 140 meters. Off the Gap, or similar. SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ In article <43fe09f0$0$500$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- 03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, plonked@home.ru says... > > In article <43fd9c5e$0$508$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- > > 03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, plonked@home.ru says... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I reckon about 140 meters. > Off the Gap, or similar. When the hoons in fast cars are all gone, I suggest Lada racing with a blockade of old Land Rovers (so Rainbow can join in). When we go past the speed cameras it shouldn't be a problem unless they put them on a downhill grade or the conditions are favorable like a strong tailwind. Anyway we'll all cover our front No. plate with mud. Al SignatureWhen schools of fish were studied, it was found that the leaders had brain damage. We, the public should therefore demand a similar study be carried out on our leaders. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html > They will charge a fee for impounded vehicles and I guess if you can't > pay that fee then your vehicle would also be sold so why not put them in > the crusher. You want to put the people who can't pay the fine in the crusher? That's a bit harsh! I'm not saying that it's a bad idea but it's a bit harsh. :-p SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > > They will charge a fee for impounded vehicles and I guess if you can't > > pay that fee then your vehicle would also be sold so why not put them in > > the crusher. > > You want to put the people who can't pay the fine in the crusher? That's > a bit harsh! I'm not saying that it's a bad idea but it's a bit harsh. :-p The vehicle goes in the crusher, the people go in the blender... and you can make what you want of that :-) Al SignatureI don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html JD Wrote: > According to the Age (on-line) the driver in the case at Mildura had > been > charged eight times in the past with driving while disqualified - so > how is > taking his licence going to affect this sort of driver? > JD Under the circumstances, this bloke would not likely want to drive. In any case he has not sought bail. Has anybody seen a close up of the Falcons front passenger tyre? I saw a quick flash only but it sure looked like an old narrow tread, cross-ply type Take a look, helps if you have a PVR to freez the pic. SignatureMot Adv-NSW > Aww Al you cynic you lol. They are not even sure themselves "*may* further reduce the road toll" not *will*. LOL Al SignatureI don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html >Over two days, program available here: >http://www.roadsafety.qld.gov.au/summit >Listen in LIVE here, choose Chamber Audio: >http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/view/chamber/ >Topics to time index: >Some items to come under discusson, from opening speaches by Premier >and Transport Minister: >* Radio frequency identification of motorbikes for speed enforcement. >* Potential 120 hours for Learner candidates. >* Fixed speed cameras PLUS signage of such enforcement. >* Road environment, softening. >* Vehicle confiscation for various offences, incl reckless. In WA, you can get your driving school's vehicle confiscated or even your own car when trying to stick to a speed limit. http://www.cube7.com.au/clients/ors/news_view.asp?newsID=123 Road Traffic Amendment (Impounding And Confiscation Of Vehicles) Act 2004 A Police Officer has witnessed you committing a driving offence: ... Speed, acceleration, braking or steering capability is being tested or contested in any way; Skill of driver is being tested or contested; ... Signature/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | "Laws do not persuade just because X against HTML mail | they threaten." / \ and postings | Lucius Annaeus Seneca, c. 4BC - 65AD. >>Over two days, program available here: >>http://www.roadsafety.qld.gov.au/summit [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > tested or contested in any way; > Skill of driver is being tested or contested; "In a manner that causes the driving wheels to lose traction." Bugger, no driving on a slippey road allowed, best fit chains or spikes at all times just in case:-) Daryl Bernd Felsche Wrote: > In WA, you can get your driving school's vehicle confiscated or even > your own car when trying to stick to a speed limit. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > X against HTML mail | they threaten." > / \ and postings | Lucius Annaeus Seneca, c. 4BC - 65AD. SignatureMot Adv-NSW > Bernd Felsche Wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> X against HTML mail | they threaten." >> / \ and postings | Lucius Annaeus Seneca, c. 4BC - 65AD. Huh? Virtually ALL recent traffic laws are bobbing about in that broth of 'conflict'. The arseholes that 'make' these laws know it and are actively working on nobbling the peoples access to the high Court to protect themselves. Anyhow, that's stage two. Stage one was wiping the Law Lords out of the au.pictire under the guise of independence. SignatureToby. quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > Road Traffic Amendment (Impounding And Confiscation Of Vehicles) > Act 2004 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Skill of driver is being tested or contested; > ... Right up there with the best, that one. Command and Control. CAC. A very appropriate archaic word starts that way. 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