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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / March 2006How new Camry & co will sink the 380....
"The Toyota Camry, the best-selling car in America four years running and for eight of the past nine years, is completely redesigned for 2007. The world-class sedan redefines global standards for comfort, performance and design." Easy, take a leaf out of US Toyota: "MSRP of $18,270, ******a decrease of $175 or 0.9 percent"***** [AUS$24,360] more features/power etc less coin. Kick her off here for say AUS$25k [$10,000 less than a 380] and the jobs done. New Avalon [still like that old name] and new Comm. VE will hammer in the final coffin nails. http://www.autospectator.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3200 "mf1@project1221.com???????<????? ???????? ????????? ???????>GO:PT-141" <auscars@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1140949620.299024.40680@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > "The Toyota Camry, the best-selling car in America four years running > and for eight of the past nine years, is completely redesigned for [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > http://www.autospectator.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3200 Seven airbags including knee airbag and stability are impressive. Throw in AWD as well to blow them all out of the water. > "mf1@project1221.com???????<????? ???????? ????????? ???????>GO:PT-141" > <auscars@gmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Seven airbags including knee airbag and stability are impressive. So its got 6 airbags plus 1 knee airbag? What about the other knee??? >> "mf1@project1221.com???????<????? ???????? ????????? ???????>GO:PT-141" >> <auscars@gmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > So its got 6 airbags plus 1 knee airbag? What about the other knee??? No worries, that other knee will be slammed backwards up your arse by the other 6 airbags.  SignatureToby. quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur >>> "mf1@project1221.com???????<????? ???????? ????????? ???????>GO:PT-141" >>> <auscars@gmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > No worries, that other knee will be slammed backwards up your arse by > the other 6 airbags. LOL, touche! mf1@project1221.com中华人民共和国<המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים>GO:PT-141 wrote: > New Avalon [still like that old name] and new Comm. VE will hammer in > the final coffin nails. Looking in to the future... Mitsubishi stops manufacturing in Aus Parts manufacturers in Aus go bust or jack up prices Toyota move manufacture to Asia Due to lack of local competition and rising cost of manufacture in Aus, Holden move Commodore manufacture to Korea/China Ford close Falcon line and import global large car... Even thought the 380 is wrong (for lots of reasons), it's demise can only be bad for the whole of the car industry in Australia, not good. Holden, Toyota and Ford (mostly Holden and Ford Aus) know this all too well. Local competition is a good thing. > mf1@project1221.com???????<????? ???????? ????????? ???????>GO:PT-141 > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Holden move Commodore manufacture to Korea/China > Ford close Falcon line and import global large car... I reckon a Ford Crown Vic would do the job just fine. <<<I reckon a Ford Crown Vic would do the job just fine. NOT according to US LawEnforcment, most rear enders get engulfed in flames.... That car is a piece of sh.t, typical US Ford effort "mf1@project1221.com???????<????? ???????? ????????? ???????>GO:PT-141" <auscars@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1140957345.712733.60530@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > <<<I reckon a Ford Crown Vic would do the job just fine. > > NOT according to US LawEnforcment, most rear enders get engulfed in > flames.... > > That car is a piece of sh.t, typical US Ford effort Well the arguments ridiculous anyway as its not made in RHD. Also there's no V6 engine available. But they are very comfortable rides. > "mf1@project1221.com???????<????? ???????? ????????? ???????>GO:PT-141" > <auscars@gmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Well the arguments ridiculous anyway as its not made in RHD. Also there's > no V6 engine available. But they are very comfortable rides. So's your mother But I'd never put her on the road in either RHD or LHD form. John's obviously busy elsewhere - what could I do?? SignatureToby. quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > mf1@project1221.com< > >GO:PT-141 wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mitsubishi stops manufacturing in Aus. Hope not, just cancel the 380 and have a go at making something the public want to buy > Parts manufacturers in Aus go bust or jack up prices Already well on the way, ION Automotive anyone,, > Toyota move manufacture to Asia Doubt that, Altona Vic plant is going gangbusters in Oz, besides they need all the manufacturing plants they can get > Due to lack of local competition and rising cost of manufacture in Aus, Imports are already getting cheaper and still falling and China to show its hand [India too] > Holden move Commodore manufacture to Korea/China What like a Buick Royaum?:-).The Comm. has been the top car for more than 1/2 a decade with just 10% tariff protection, i can see it surviving well into the future even at 5% or 0% The only downside is in the future they may sell less volume > Ford close Falcon line and import global large car... Tried that been a disaster, ditto for Comm. above > Even thought the 380 is wrong (for lots of reasons), it's demise can > only be bad for the whole of the car industry in Australia, not good. Its Mitsu. fault, make something vastly superior and the punters will beg to buy it and brake down your door.... > Holden, Toyota and Ford (mostly Holden and Ford Aus) know this all too > well. Local competition is a good thing. Indeed, and good quality -v- price ratio, do we really need 6 largish vehicles Made in Oz? > Indeed, and good quality -v- price ratio, do we really need 6 largish > vehicles Made in Oz? Given the few sales available, you'd at least think the bloody shite would be put together with, well, a little more care and a tad more attention to detail by the enguneers designing it. SignatureToby. quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > mf1@project1221.com???????<????? ???????? ????????? ???????>GO:PT-141 > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Toyota and Ford (mostly Holden and Ford Aus) know this all too well. > Local competition is a good thing. Nissan >>mf1@project1221.com???????<????? ???????? ????????? ???????>GO:PT-141 >>wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Nissan They tried and they failed so I doubt they will try again. Daryl >>> Even thought the 380 is wrong (for lots of reasons), it's demise can >>> only be bad for the whole of the car industry in Australia, not good. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > They tried and they failed so I doubt they will try again. If Nissan Aus brought in the RWD Skyline Sedan (and maybe coupe) at a *reasonable price*, it would sell well and show show Mistubishi and Toyota what Australians really want. 380 and Aurion? Do Australians (in the market for a large car) really want to buy big front wheel drive cars over Falcon/Commodore. Not anyone I know. John >>>> Even thought the 380 is wrong (for lots of reasons), it's demise can >>>> only be bad for the whole of the car industry in Australia, not [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > *reasonable price*, it would sell well and show show Mistubishi and > Toyota what Australians really want. Any manufacturer can import cars, we were talking about local manufacturing and Nissan failed. If Nissan thought they could sell imported Skylines in good numbers at a decent profit then they would already be available. > 380 and Aurion? Do Australians (in the market for a large car) really > want to buy big front wheel drive cars over Falcon/Commodore. Not > anyone I know. Time will tell, if the sales of large RWD cars keep declining then the choice may be taken away and we will only be able to buy imports and there won't be too many large RWD's amongst them. It will also depend on the cars that are offered as competition to Falcodores, if someone makes a car that for some reason everyone wants then which wheels are driven won't be so important. Daryl >>>> Even thought the 380 is wrong (for lots of reasons), it's demise can >>>> only be bad for the whole of the car industry in Australia, not [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > John It wouldn't sell well because the price would be so high after all the ADR compliance issues were dealt with that nobody would be able to afford it so stop talking sh.t. People buy grey imports because they're cheep. > It wouldn't sell well because the price would be so high after all the ADR > compliance issues were dealt with that nobody would be able to afford it > so stop talking sh.t. People buy grey imports because they're cheep. Stop stomping your foot and holding your breath. You know 380 is dead as a dodo and that the Aurion will always have better sales than the 380. >>It wouldn't sell well because the price would be so high after all the ADR >>compliance issues were dealt with that nobody would be able to afford it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You know 380 is dead as a dodo and that the Aurion will always have better > sales than the 380. How can a car that doesn't exist have better sales than one that does. >>>It wouldn't sell well because the price would be so high after all the >>>ADR compliance issues were dealt with that nobody would be able to afford [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > How can a car that doesn't exist have better sales than one that does. Because it will, when released, have better sales per month vs the 380 >>>>It wouldn't sell well because the price would be so high after all the >>>>ADR compliance issues were dealt with that nobody would be able to afford [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Because it will, when released, have better sales per month vs the 380 But it's not realeased. it doesn't exist. >>>>>It wouldn't sell well because the price would be so high after all the >>>>>ADR compliance issues were dealt with that nobody would be able to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > But it's not realeased. it doesn't exist. You have trouble understanding English? Anypansy wrote: >>>>>>It wouldn't sell well because the price would be so high after all the >>>>>>ADR compliance issues were dealt with that nobody would be able to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > You have trouble understanding English? You have trouble with grammar? > How can a car that doesn't exist have better sales than one that does. 380 sales are so poor it wouldn't be hard to do. You could sell more dogshit sandwiches than 380's at the moment. -- Regards, Noddy. "Noddy" <dg4163@dodo.com.au> wrote in news:44036bb0$1 @news.comindico.com.au: >> How can a car that doesn't exist have better sales than one that does. > > 380 sales are so poor it wouldn't be hard to do. > > You could sell more dogshit sandwiches than 380's at the moment. Yep, even at 29,990, no one buys then! But then if a 12 month old magna can be had for WELL under 20 grand, who for Christs sake, would be stupid enough to buy one? That is a lot of money down the drain! Ron [...] >Yep, even at 29,990, no one buys then! >But then if a 12 month old magna can be had for WELL under 20 grand, who >for Christs sake, would be stupid enough to buy one? > >That is a lot of money down the drain! Geez Ron, that's a long bow to draw for someone who likes Jags. You could just about buy a 380 with the depreciation on an S Type from new price to driving it straight around to 2nd hand cars at the same dealer, let alone waiting 12 months. And XJ's are even worse! Neil --- Neil Fisher / Bob Young Thundercords personal opinion unless otherwise noted. Looking for spark plug leads? Check out http://www.magnecor.com.au > [...] > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Neil Neil, I would not buy a Forduar, or a new XJ. Too much money and too much depreciation :-) The two old ones I have, increase in value each year, according to the insurance policy :-) >>[...] >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The two old ones I have, increase in value each year, according to the > insurance policy :-) Rubbish. They're worthless. 2-3K each. >> How can a car that doesn't exist have better sales than one that does. > > 380 sales are so poor it wouldn't be hard to do. > > You could sell more dogshit sandwiches than 380's at the moment. I'm starting to see a few around. Fairly lardy car for a japper. Fraser >>>How can a car that doesn't exist have better sales than one that does. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Fraser Oh no it's not a large car. Ask the experts here. > Oh no it's not a large car. Ask the experts here. It's physically smaller than the previous Magna :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> Oh no it's not a large car. Ask the experts here. > > It's physically smaller than the previous Magna :) Really? It looks heaps bigger in the flesh. Fraser "Fraser Johnston" <fraser@jcis.com.au> wrote in news:46ljh6Fbih26U1 @individual.net: >>> Oh no it's not a large car. Ask the experts here. >> >> It's physically smaller than the previous Magna :) > > Really? It looks heaps bigger in the flesh. It is a copy of the gastly yanky galant, smaller POS to the horrid magna. > Really? It looks heaps bigger in the flesh. I was picking my wife up from Southbank on Tuesday afternoon, and there was a 380 and a last model "f.ck ugly" parked side by side about 30 feet from where I was waiting for her. I got out to stretch my legs and went over for a squiz, and about the only area that I could see where the 380 is bigger is that it's slightly taller in the rear half due to it's somewhat "wedge" shape". It's shorter overall, and around the same width (well, as good as I could tell just by looking at them). It looks bigger, but I think that's a bit of an optical illusion due to it's shape. Oh, and it has a f.ck ugly rear and a shitty interior :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> Really? It looks heaps bigger in the flesh. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Oh, and it has a f.ck ugly rear and a shitty interior :) Good thing you didn't have a hang over, ya woulda thrown up :-) >>Really? It looks heaps bigger in the flesh. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. How could you see the interior from the wheelchair? > How could you see the interior from the wheelchair? How tall do you think they are you fuckwit? -- Regards, Noddy. >>How could you see the interior from the wheelchair? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. Wheelchairs are not very tall at all. "Noddy" <dg4163@dodo.com.au> wrote in message > Oh, and it has a f.ck ugly A two bag job eh? >and a shitty interior :) That what happens when Pesty pulls out his butt plug: sh.t everywhere! >> Oh no it's not a large car. Ask the experts here. > > It's physically smaller than the previous Magna :) And garbage :) I'm surprised they have sold any.. >>>Oh no it's not a large car. Ask the experts here. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'm surprised they have sold any.. Have you seen the "bribes" on the latest TV adds. Worse than Avalon. :-) SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ >>>Oh no it's not a large car. Ask the experts here. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'm surprised they have sold any.. You're just jealous because you cannot afford a new car. >>>>Oh no it's not a large car. Ask the experts here. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You're just jealous because you cannot afford a new car. Even if he could, not a 380. >>>>>Oh no it's not a large car. Ask the experts here. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Even if he could, not a 380. Who cares what it is. It's free and I don't pay for fuel. "Anypandy" <fucu2buddha@blog.blog> wrote in news:4406d5da$1 @news1.veridas.net: >>>>>Oh no it's not a large car. Ask the experts here. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Even if he could, not a 380. Spot on Andy, fancy paying good money for a turd :-) > "Anypandy" <fucu2buddha@blog.blog> wrote in news:4406d5da$1 > @news1.veridas.net: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Spot on Andy, fancy paying good money for a turd :-) sh.t ron you have a carport full of them. Rusting away haaahaahahaaahaahah. >>>>Oh no it's not a large car. Ask the experts here. >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You're just jealous because you cannot afford a new car. No way would I ever buy a new car again. A demo or 12 month old one is far cheaper. Aside from that magna,,"A CAR"???? LOL... POS!! >>>>>Oh no it's not a large car. Ask the experts here. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > A demo or 12 month old one is far cheaper. > Aside from that magna,,"A CAR"???? LOL... POS!! You can't afford a new car. Plain and simple. I only drive my magnas on weekends. What with the fuel card and the etoll transponder I get with the 380 I can go anywhere for free. > mf1@project1221.com中华人民共和国<המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים > מיוחדים>GO:PT-141 wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Holden, Toyota and Ford (mostly Holden and Ford Aus) know this all too > well. Local competition is a good thing. I agree that having a fouth car manufacturer in Australia is a good thing but Mitsubishi's volumes are so low even now that if they do go under I doubt it will have much affect on the others. If anything Toyota, Holden and Ford will pick extra sales so the market for locally made cars will be much the same as it is now. IMO if it wasn't for the fact the Falcodores are still the volume sellers here and Aussies don't generally like GM or Ford's OS products they would have shut up shop here long ago, if they close local manufacturing they would be giving a huge slice of the market to Toyota who are slowly taking it anyway. Daryl |
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